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[Syphon Filter]

I'm not an Xbox gamer, always been a Playstation guy. I'm glad however to hear this, I hope Xbox can bring something new and innovative to the console hardware space, we've already seem how complacent Sony has been this generation with their first party output, and 100 dollar disc drives.

Bring something competitive back into the console market will be healthy, and work out better for us gamers.

its not going to be a traditional xbox, its just going to be a pc like the steam machine was but with windows.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Ok??

Then, what an example of hypocrisy when you're able to see console wars among people who prefer that XBOX continues to bet on hardware and backwards compatibility... while you don't mention those who made fun of it every day, insulted other users, and even opened threads congratulating each other and uncorking champagne against the possibility of this announcement...

Neogaf

I've already responded in another post

Cheers

 

[ResilientBanana]

There's no need to flex your financial status in here, banana.

There's no need to tell people how to spend their money, either.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Ignore him, he makes victim posts when people attack PS and says shit like "waah I hate all this fanboy warring, make it stop!" and then goes on the attack of Xbox and fans on the other side of his mouth.

See, this is exactly the victim, toxic mentality of said fanbase, thanks for proving my point Shady.

"Attack on Xbox and fans" - you really can't make this shit up, it really is a persecution complex gentlemen .

 

[Punished Miku]

See, this is exactly the victim, toxic mentality of said fanbase, thanks for proving my point Shady.

"Attack on Xbox and fans" - you really can't make this shit up, it really is a persecution complex gentlemen .

Its been a pretty positive thread, even from usual critics. No one's really dissing PS unless I missed it. Mostly people just excited about the possibility of PC and BC. Everyone's just been cracking jokes and talking games.

 

[Kvally]

One giant leap for
@AMD
+
@Xbox
— and a bold new chapter for the future of gaming.AMD and Xbox have stood side by side for over 20 years — powering some of the biggest moments in gaming. As we continue to create seamless experiences that dissolve the boundaries of reality, I'm incredibly proud to share that today we're taking that to the next level!We're entering a new multi-year strategic partnership to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices — including our next-generation Xbox consoles.. . . in your living room. . . and in your hands. . . anywhere you wantThis isn't just a hardware evolution — it's a bold, shared vision to push the boundaries of what's possible in gaming: Next-generation graphics and visual fidelity Immersive gameplay and player experiences enhanced with the power of AI Compatibility with your existing Xbox game libraryAll of this is grounded in an open, player-first ecosystem — not locked to a single device or store.Huge thanks to
@XboxP3
,
@BondSarah_Bond
,
@Roanne_Sones
and the entire Xbox team for continuing to dream and co-engineer with us - the best is yet to come!

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Steam library and Xbox library playable please.
I wont need another modern gaming device.

Ive got my RetroTINK retro setup from NES thru PS2/GC in place as well.

Can emulate all those on a Xbox series s or X.

 

[djjinx2]

"Not locked to a single store" suggests otherwise.

Heisenberg told us ages ago, Steam library on console locked behind Game pass.

But no one wants to listen. The mental gymnastics is astounding (not you btw)

Xbox consoles are dead a few days ago

Now it's shifting to oh well my opinion it will just be a PC.

Xbox need to stay relevant so I think Topher is right.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

See, this is exactly the victim, toxic mentality of said fanbase, thanks for proving my point Shady.

"Attack on Xbox and fans" - you really can't make this shit up, it really is a persecution complex gentlemen .

I used to think System Wars had the craziest fanboys... I've never seen a place so relentless in going after people that like different things. I guess a dedicated game fan can't just like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo here, they have to pick sides and synchronize or else.

 

[Steve Holt]

The people who are excited by this, may I ask why?

They abandoned this generation consoles in record time. Why do you trust them again??

 

[Darsxx82]

Well.....current Xbox has BC and no one questions that it is a console.

That wasn't the point of the comment... But it was not worth it. It's better to discuss other things. Sorry

PS. First time in a long time they using "Console"....

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Xbox can't leave bespoke hardware behind. Gamepass doesn't work at scale without consoles.

Console gamers have been conditioned to pay monthly to use Internet with their games. They are already conditioned for gamepass. You can charge them more. They are younger than PC gamers and less likely to cancel month to month. They are a perfect captive audience. They also make up the vast majority of gamepass.

If you make the next real device a PC then you are resetting that programming and scattering your audience. Instead they need a real Xbox console to do the job.

Also Windows isn't actually ready for gaming. Slapping Windows on a bespoke console like XSX or PS5 would cause major performance issues. MS is aware of Window's deficiencies and working to resolve them. Maybe people who don't keep up with this stuff thinks this sounds crazy. You sure about that?

So this is the only move. However, it isn't without risks. The market has soured on Xbox worse than ever over the last 2 years. At the same time the market has become larger and more ubiquitous. The zeitgeist has more coverage. The large casual group is no longer quite as ignorant as they were in the past. News of Xbox's performance this gen may even reach their ears. This would dwindle an already small pool of potential buyers. While I think this is the correct move for Xbox I also believe they should maybe just prepare to go fully 3rd party if this flops. I would certainly not feel comfortable recommending one right now. There is also the persistent ostensible reality that this will somehow have steam on it. How that will work will be anybody's guess.

Most console gamers are actually 30-40 year old dads. The kids are on PC and mobile/handhelds.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I bet the handheld (if it exists) will be the Series S

in fact, it would be extremely smart of them if they'd make a handheld and simply make it a full replacement for the Series S.
full Series S compatibility, no asterisk or anything. just a Series S in handheld form.

with the cross gen period for next gen probably being even longer and more pronounced than the one we have seen with the PS4 and Xbox One, having a fully Series S compatible handheld would basically mean automatically getting third party support and of course it would mean thousands of already available games.

Thinking about it, I am guessing they will keep that Asus handheld as their only handheld for now.

A new handheld can match a series S. My guess is 3rd party support will come via pc ports. And a series S level hardware won't do much in pc space I imagine. They could keep it for smaller games. Which doesn't sound too exciting.

 

[Verso]

One last traditional custom silicon? Be happy if it pulls away from Series S and is a good enough jump for that next gen parity game design to leave that shit behind where it matters come the then later years.

All I only care for. Got my PC enough while I get PS6 and Switch 2.

 

[RoboFu]

Most console gamers are actually 30-40 year old dads. The kids are on PC and mobile/handhelds.

This is so true. I don't know any of my kids friends who wn anything other than an iPad, a laptop, and maybe a switch.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

The people who are excited by this, may I ask why?

They abandoned this generation consoles in record time. Why do you trust them again??

For me, since things are going digital, I have a large digital library in the Xbox ecosystem, so why wouldn't people in similar situations cheer the continuation?

 

[Steve Holt]

For me, since things are going digital, I have a large digital library in the Xbox ecosystem, so why wouldn't people in similar situations cheer the continuation?

Appreciate the response. But have you not been annoyed with them curtailing this generation of consoles (despite being well upto spec) very prematurely?

 

[pudel]

its not going to be a traditional xbox, its just going to be a pc like the steam machine was but with windows.

But than this would mean they would need to have some very "special" WindowsOS which is able to guarantee xbox backward compatibility.

Have to admit....thats all really confusing for me. No clue with what they are coming up with and how all this marketing talk add together.

 

[viveks86]

My opinion is that these devices will be windows PCs that they will market as consoles.

I've said it before but the whole reason for these devices existing will be to try and get regulators around the world to try and force Nintendo and Sony to open up their ecosystems in a way that ultimately allows Microsoft to sell gamepass directly to consumers on other platforms.

"Pro-consumer" virtue signaling incoming!

 

[Chittagong]

 

[SamuraiEdge]

Yeah not feeling it. PS6 please.
(God bless game pass on PC )

 

[Sooner]

Consoles like several future generations, or like several models like the Series X/S?

Consoles as they expect to sell at least two.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Appreciate the response. But have you not been annoyed with them curtailing this generation of consoles (despite being well upto spec) very prematurely?

You talking about exclusives? If so, yeah it's annoying, but since I don't game on PC it's just another option for me.

 

[demigod]

@jm89 showed up but no one's got his back. Not even a laugh emoji from demigod

Post in thread 'Xbox has announced a multi-year agreement with AMD to co-engineer new silicon chips for the next-generation of Xbox consoles'

Jun 17, 2025

Must be the good news before the gamepass price increase announcement.

• jm89

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Just woke up from a nap, you still butthurt i made fun of you for your Hellblade 2 masterpiece?

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Its been a pretty positive thread, even from usual critics. No one's really dissing PS unless I missed it. Mostly people just excited about the possibility of PC and BC. Everyone's just been cracking jokes and talking games.

Miku, that's not the point man and you know it

But I digress, the portable, IMO looks kinda interesting (then again I never had a handheld PC) and IF their next home system proves to be good/is able to differentiate itself somehow from the competition i would actually give it a thought.

See, it's easy for me, I mean, I recently bought a Switch 2 (last N console I had was the Wii) but you won't see me defending indefensible shit when it comes to Nintendo OR the other indefensible shit from Sony (worst refund policies ever alongside Nintendo/raising PS plus prices while game selection remains absolutely gob shit, Portal's 59.96Hz stutter which took them almost 1 year to fix etc etc).

Again, don't take things personally
Cheers

 

[twilo99]

Hopefully they stop using outdated CPU architecture in those boxes because if you look at the current gen it's rather embarrassing at this point..

Regardless, this is boring, ARM would've been a much more exciting proposition..

 

[Sebastian1295]

People need to stop calling the next generation xbox a console. If it runs multiple storefronts then it's just a PC. And if it's a PC then why would the vast majority of people buy one when they already have one. Xbox continues to baffle me with their moronic decision making.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People need to stop calling the next generation xbox a console. If it runs multiple storefronts then it's just a PC. And if it's a PC then why would the vast majority of people buy one when they already have one.

People with a PC wont but people looking to upgrade their Xbox console to a system that is fully compatible with Xbox console games library that sounds intriguing

 

[spookyfish]

Why wasn't this unveiled in the summer showcase?
Weird to just do a X post.

XPost for XBox.

 

[viveks86]

But than this would mean they would need to have some very "special" WindowsOS which is able to guarantee xbox backward compatibility.

Have to admit....thats all really confusing for me. No clue with what they are coming up with and how all this marketing talk add together.

Windows OS is already going in that direction with a Big Picture style UI. And the current gen Xbox already handles backwards compatibility using VMs. The same should work just fine on a base windows PC that is software locked to boot exclusively into the gaming UI.

I think it's safe to assume that the "Xbox OS" (which was already based on the Windows kernel) is being officially sunset after this generation.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Why do you guys not want competition, but want a console monopoly?

What competition is Xbox providing. They do t even have series x in stores

 

[Sebastian1295]

People with a PC wont but people looking to upgrade their Xbox console to a system that is fully compatible with Xbox console games library that sounds intriguing

We'll see but i have major doubts. I just don't see a big enough market for this, especially because the xbox brand has devalued itself heavily this generation by going third party. If they can't get the series s to sell when they were practically giving it away, then how in the world are they going to price this thing competitively enough and convince enough people of its value for the majority of them to buy into it. We'll see.

 

[twilo99]

They abandoned this generation consoles in record time.

What does that mean? My xss is getting updates and games…

 

[BoxFresh123]

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

What competition is Xbox providing. They do t even have series x in stores

Do you even understand what happens to the brand you're with when there's no competition?

 

[yogaflame]

I saw some X article and analysis right now and it seems like its leaning towards the direction of multiple xbox devices and a xbox pc hybrid.

 

[Steve Holt]

What does that mean? My xss is getting updates and games…

They gave up trying to sell them in record time.

Now they plan on selling the same audience new shiny hardware.

 

[mayham2199]

We'll see but i have major doubts. I just don't see a big enough market for this, especially because the xbox brand has devalued itself heavily this generation by going third party. If they can't get the series s to sell when they were practically giving it away, then how in the world are they going to price this thing competitively enough and convince people of its value for the majority of people to buy into it.

Agreed. This might sound intriguing to the the hardcore audience posting on message boards about video games but the average consumer? They aren't going to give a shit and if the price is to high they wont buy it.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Unexpected. Maybe a super strong 1k console as fan service/farewell tour. I can't imagine that they are trying to compete with Sony after throwing the towel early this gen.

 

[twilo99]

They gave up trying to sell them in record time.

Now they plan on selling the same audience new shiny hardware.

Selling new shiny hardware to the same audience is exactly how this business works.

 

[Parazels]

What if the next Xbox had PC-like hardware, including dedicated RAM for CPU and GPU?

This way Steam games would work on it, yet developers could still optimize Xbox games for this specific hardware to push its limits.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

What competition is Xbox providing. They do t even have series x in stores

You're not exactly wrong but, any kind of competition is good, just look at what happened with Sony and their 10 Eurodollars game upgrades, Nintendo with their 10 Eurodollars system tour "game", mediocre no-HDR LCD and 80+ Eurdollars games (almost 90 euros for a Donkey Kong and Mario kart game ? thefuckoutta here Nintendo).

Even if MS exited the race , I'd have hoped for Samsung, or even Apple to enter the race since, again, some competition is always better than zero competition

 

[Rosoboy19]

Heisenberg told us ages ago, Steam library on console locked behind Game pass.

But no one wants to listen. The mental gymnastics is astounding (not you btw)

Xbox need to stay relevant so I think Topher is right.

For the past 6 months so many threads on GAF…

-Xbox console sales abysmal- they can't compete!
-Xbox releasing games on PlayStation - their hardware is dead!
-Xbox raising prices and pulling consoles off the shelves - They are going 3rd party!

And yet now we are supposed to believe they will just release another traditional console?

 

[Kacho]

I wonder how much Microsoft needs to pay to get this where it needs to be. All the licensing hurdles and whatnot, convincing publishers to put their games on the MS store. Has to be a nightmare to navigate.

 

[mayham2199]

I wonder how much Microsoft needs to pay to get this where it needs to be. All the licensing hurdles and whatnot, convincing publishers to put their games on the MS store. Has to be a nightmare to navigate.

They probably aren't doing any of that. Seems much easier to release a standard console and a desktop version of the ROG ally.

 

[Steve Holt]

Selling new shiny hardware to the same audience is exactly how this business works.

That was exactly my question. Based on the record time they called it quits on this generation of hardware, despite being very well specced, they abandoned it in a haste.

So why is anyone excited about this new hardware considering their track record.

 

[clappedcheeks]

My opinion is that these devices will be windows PCs that they will market as consoles.

I've said it before but the whole reason for these devices existing will be to try and get regulators around the world to try and force Nintendo and Sony to open up their ecosystems in a way that ultimately allows Microsoft to sell gamepass directly to consumers on other platforms.

This is something that is overlooked and is most likely the next play for Microsoft. They have tried the Netflix route with gamepass in an attempt to shift the gaming landscape in their favour knowing there's nobody else with pockets deep enough to compete. Then they bought activision to try and get a huge shift over to their ecosystem, but the cost to their business was too high so they couldn't make the games exclusive. Now that PC gaming is so huge they're finally going to use their advantage of having the dominant operating system.

If they can bust open the walled gardens on competing systems they get the marketplace monopoly they have long desired. It'll mean no more hardware from Nintendo or Sony because they'll not invest in an ecosystem they can't run a business on and the most viable alternative will be a windows powered console/PC. It's a very clever move by Microsoft.

 

[lastmessiah]

For the past 6 months so many threads on GAF…

-Xbox console sales abysmal- they can't compete!
-Xbox releasing games on PlayStation - their hardware is dead!
-Xbox raising prices and pulling consoles off the shelves - They are going 3rd party!

And yet now we are supposed to believe they will just release another traditional console?

GAF wants to exist in some alternate reality where Microsoft isn't a multi-trillion-dollar company that has been making video games since their inception. Even if Xbox was the disastrous failure that people here try to paint it as, MS could keep it going just to fuck with people for the laughs.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

The way I see it, MS decided to spend money one last time to build a machine that can maintain the old Xbox library while function with Windows. It would never make its money back but I guess Microsoft feel it is better to do this than to risk getting lynched by its fans.

Definitely good news for Xbox customers. As in they can sunset their games rather than being left stranded suddenly. Just be realistic that this is not some return to form. Normally it isn't newsworthy to say that you are making custom hardware for a console as it is a given. It is only news because this is the last time.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Agreed. This might sound intriguing to the the hardcore audience posting on message boards about video games but the average consumer? They aren't going to give a shit and if the price is to high they wont buy it.

The average consumer is also going to be completely confused about what this thing even is. It's going to be interesting how they market this thing so that the casual person knows wtf they're even looking at and why they should buy it etc. I just see this thing as a failure coming from a mile away honestly.