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Well, the last time they did this they stole a shitton of proprietary research that Sony had paid for and created an unexpectedly performant system...

...Which they then knee-capped by nickel-and-diming on manufacture resulting in the RROD fiasco.

Lets see if history repeats.

 

[HYDE]

Seriously…fucking cringe. No one wants Microsoft hardware

 

[onQ123]

I'll be surprised if they don't also do a deal with Nvidia

 

[Sebastian1295]

GAF wants to exist in some alternate reality where Microsoft isn't a multi-trillion-dollar company that has been making video games since their inception. Even if Xbox was the disastrous failure that people here try to paint it as, MS could keep it going just to fuck with people for the laughs.

They have to keep it going because they own two publishers now. They don't have a choice.

 

[lastmessiah]

They have to keep it going because they own two publishers now. They don't have a choice.

They don't have a choice? They bought those two publishers. That was a choice. I'm sure they can "choose" to do whatever they want.

 

[M1chl]

Neogaf's 9/11

 

[Sanepar]

The people who are excited by this, may I ask why?

They abandoned this generation consoles in record time. Why do you trust them again??

How they abandoned? They are realising games every 2 months. They just released doom dark ages.

I'm excited because will be a capable machine with steam and console friendly interface.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Do you even understand what happens to the brand you're with when there's no competition?

Let these dumbasses get their console monopoly. It's just like politics. People latch onto brands/political parties/whatever, like sports teams. I'll be laughing when these guys are paying 300 dollars a year for PS+, paying 1000 for PS7 pro's, and spending 120 bucks on dualsense v3s. Doesn't matter to me much, I have my PC, PS2, 360, PS3, PS5, series x. I can stop buying new systems/games and be totally held over for the rest of my life.

 

[viveks86]

For the past 6 months so many threads on GAF…

-Xbox console sales abysmal- they can't compete!
-Xbox releasing games on PlayStation - their hardware is dead!
-Xbox raising prices and pulling consoles off the shelves - They are going 3rd party!

And yet now we are supposed to believe they will just release another traditional console?

But who said it would be a traditional console? The fact that it isn't bound to one store is unprecedented. And the OS is going to be Windows. It's anything but a traditional console. It's just a custom prebuilt windows PC with a software lock and a bundled controller. I'm sure someone out there will jailbreak it in no time and use it to mine bitcoin, just for the giggles!

 

[Steve Holt]

How they abandoned? They are realising games every 2 months. They just released doom dark ages.

I'm excited because will be a capable machine with steam and console friendly interface.

They put the prices up across the board for games, hardware and accessories. Stores and entire regions are no longer stocking the consoles.

It's like and seems that the production of the machines have significantly reduced. There doesn't seem to be any marketing of the machines anymore.

Hearing this news today indicates they are looking at the next device and not worrying about today's.

 

[Naked Lunch]

Can emulate all those on a Xbox series s or X.

Very true - but im one of those crazies who prefers original hardware for the classics.

 

[rapid32.5]

Day one if GOG and Steam stores are integrated. I don't have time for more than one console.

 

[nial]

I still think this thing launches a year ahead of PS6.

So, next year?

 

[Kacho]

They probably aren't doing any of that. Seems much easier to release a standard console and a desktop version of the ROG ally.

I think the traditional Xbox console is dead dead.

 

[Punished Miku]

Day one if GOG and Steam stores are integrated. I don't have time for more than one console.

So many old games I'd get off GOG.

 

[lastmessiah]

They put the prices up across the board for games, hardware and accessories. Stores and entire regions are no longer stocking the consoles.

It's like and seems that the production of the machines have significantly reduced. There doesn't seem to be any marketing of the machines anymore.

Hearing this news today indicates they are looking at the next device and not worrying about today's.

So, they are abandoning Xbox...by making more of them?

 

[Steve Holt]

So, they are abandoning Xbox...by making more of them?

By ending a generation prematurely.

Why would they take next generation seriously, after quitting this one early.

 

[Ozriel]

For the past 6 months so many threads on GAF…

-Xbox console sales abysmal- they can't compete!
-Xbox releasing games on PlayStation - their hardware is dead!
-Xbox raising prices and pulling consoles off the shelves - They are going 3rd party!

And yet now we are supposed to believe they will just release another traditional console?

It's almost as if threads on GAF don't dictate Microsoft's future hardware plans.

They did repeatedly say they were making further next gen hardware…and have teased multiple storefronts on their next gen hardware for quite some time.

The average consumer is also going to be completely confused about what this thing even is. It's going to be interesting how they market this thing so that the casual person knows wtf they're even looking at and why they should buy it etc. I just see this thing as a failure coming from a mile away honestly.

Why would it be hard to market?

It's a box.
You hook it up to your TV.
It plays your Xbox library
It plays 'next gen' games from the Xbox marketplace.

It'll also run Steam, a massive storefront. It's very well known by even casual gamers.


The price would really be the major sticking point, but I suspect they'll market it with subscription free online gaming. Most likely they won't be able to charge for online play.

 

[fred420170]

Appreciate the response. But have you not been annoyed with them curtailing this generation of consoles (despite being well upto spec) very prematurely?

I'm not. console generations used to be 4 years before nintendo had to have motion controls forcing both sony and xbox to incorporate them into the PS3/360 extending the generation by too long.

 

[bitbydeath]

So, they are abandoning Xbox...by making more of them?

This part should be highlighted in the OP:

Xbox will be working closely with the Windows team to make Windows the number one platform for gaming.

It's very misleading without it.

 

[adamsapple]

By ending a generation prematurely.

Why would they take next generation seriously, after quitting this one early.

Prematurely?

Even if it releases next year, it'd be 6 years between generations. And you'll continue to see year(s) of cross-gen games afterward regardless.

 

[lastmessiah]

By ending a generation prematurely

How? Are they not releasing games for Series S/X?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I think the traditional Xbox console is dead dead.

Press text (not the cringey video) is almost entirely about the future of Windows 11 as a gaming platform, so I see Xbox Hardware as a reference Surface-like device and nothing more, really.

People are gearing themselves for a disappointment.

 

[Z O N E]

"Not locked to a single store or tied to one device"

Pretty much guarantees it's going to be like the Xbox Ally handheld where the next Xbox is going to let you access multiple stores. I like this. I REALLY like this.

"all while maintaining compatibility with your existing xbox games"

This is what we all like to hear.

 

[mayham2199]

I think the traditional Xbox console is dead dead.

With the way she said access to all your games it has to be a traditional console. I don't believe for one second they resolved all the licensing issues involved in brining over your whole library to PC. If they figured that out why would they bother promoting play anywhere so much? The new console would automatically be play anywhere.

So, they are abandoning Xbox...by making more of them?

I don't think they are abandoning them but there is a real possibility they could the Valve route and you can only really but it off their website.

 

[Fess]

I wonder how much Microsoft needs to pay to get this where it needs to be. All the licensing hurdles and whatnot, convincing publishers to put their games on the MS store. Has to be a nightmare to navigate.

The way they're wording it makes me think devs can just release regular PC versions as usual on any PC store.

- Not locked to a single store or a tied to specific hardware. Working closely with the Windows team to make Windows the best place to play.

That's 100% PC speak.

Could still be a nightmare to get regular PC versions running well on hardware not capable of brute forcing it.
Maybe they're asking devs for a specific Xbox preset, like on Steam Deck.

 

[Astray]

How they abandoned? They are realising games every 2 months. They just released doom dark ages.

I'm excited because will be a capable machine with steam and console friendly interface.

If you think we needed Phil Spencer to get a new Doom game then I have a bridge to sell you.

Majority of those games were coming anyways.

 

[viveks86]

Press text (not the cringey video) is almost entirely about the future of Windows 11 as a gaming platform, so I see Xbox Hardware as a reference Surface-like device and nothing more, really.

I used to think this, but I feel they may give this one last go before folding and becoming a Surface-like device.

Could still be a nightmare to get regular PC versions running well on hardware not capable of brute forcing it.
Maybe they're asking devs for a specific Xbox preset, like on Steam Deck.

I think that's a given. No other way this can possibly work.

 

[Rosoboy19]

It's almost as if threads on GAF don't dictate Microsoft's future hardware plans.

They did repeatedly say they were making further next gen hardware…and have teased multiple storefronts on their next gen hardware for quite some time.

Three years ago I bought a Series X for $379 on Black Friday sale at Walmart.

Today those same shelves at Walmart are empty and the cost of the Series X online is prohibitively expensive.

Microsoft's actions and their words don't seem to be lining up to me (with traditional console ecosystem at least)

 

[bitbydeath]

With the way she said access to all your games it has to be a traditional console. I don't believe for one second they resolved all the licensing issues involved in brining over your whole library to PC. If they figured that out why would they bother promoting play anywhere so much? The new console would automatically be play anywhere.



I don't think they are abandoning them but there is a real possibility they could the Valve route and you can only really but it off their website.

Refer to this:

Game Dev  Thread 'Microsoft is hiring for a Principal Software Engineer position to join the Xbox team that focuses on emulating legacy titles on modern hardware'

May 9, 2025

Overview

Come help build the next evolution in Xbox Game Compatibility. Join the Xbox Platform team to leverage your system and security engineer experience to secure the future of Game Preservation. Your work will help identify and outline the specific requirements and security boundaries for protecting game content, build scalable emulation solutions, and ensure a safe and fun gameplay experience for all players. Our technology solutions are a critical part of enabling the Xbox goal of allowing players to experience...

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[Steve Holt]

Prematurely?

Even if it releases next year, it'd be 6 years between generations. And you'll continue to see year(s) of cross-gen games afterward regardless.

With all the recent news - with it being harder and harder to find consoles it sounds like they have thrown in the towel for this iteration of consoles.

Do you genuinely think production of the
Series S/X are healthy atm, before taking into account the almost FU like price hikes announced?

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

But who said it would be a traditional console? The fact that it isn't bound to one store is unprecedented. And the OS is going to be Windows. It's anything but a traditional console. It's just a custom prebuilt windows PC with a software lock and a bundled controller. I'm sure someone out there will jailbreak it in no time and use it to mine bitcoin, just for the giggles!

The handheld isn't bound to one store, it also doesn't play Console Xbox Games, but it doesn't stop them trying to sell you on the fact it does, the traditional console will run a proprietary xbox OS that does not run Steam or Windows games.

 

[KeplerL2]

Not going to lie. That would be wild. HeisenbergFX4 has been hinting about this for a while, but it has been a closed ecosystem console with access to Steam and other stores. Parris is talking about Windows having access to Xbox games.

It's an Xbox with access to other stores. Microsoft can't legally transfer Xbox game licenses to PC.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

If you think we needed Phil Spencer to get a new Doom game then I have a bridge to sell you.

Majority of those games were coming anyways.

100% can see a $1000+ console coming

 

[Fess]

Refer to this:

Game Dev  Thread 'Microsoft is hiring for a Principal Software Engineer position to join the Xbox team that focuses on emulating legacy titles on modern hardware'

May 9, 2025

Overview

Come help build the next evolution in Xbox Game Compatibility. Join the Xbox Platform team to leverage your system and security engineer experience to secure the future of Game Preservation. Your work will help identify and outline the specific requirements and security boundaries for protecting game content, build scalable emulation solutions, and ensure a safe and fun gameplay experience for all players. Our technology solutions are a critical part of enabling the Xbox goal of allowing players to experience...

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The way Sarah talks, no way they're doing emulation here. This is in silicone no doubt. Maybe they're baking in some Series silicone into an otherwise PC compatible APU somehow?

 

[adamsapple]

They have to keep it going because they own two publishers now. They don't have a choice.

"They will leave gaming in 2027" crowd in tatters right now.

 

[demigod]

So, next year?

No chance PS6 is coming out sooner than 2028. Covid really fucked shit up.

 

[Kacho]

With the way she said access to all your games it has to be a traditional console. I don't believe for one second they resolved all the licensing issues involved in brining over your whole library to PC. If they figured that out why would they bother promoting play anywhere so much? The new console would automatically be play anywhere.

I'm fairly certain what they call their "future console" will just be a PC. They can't sell actual Xbox consoles outside of the US. It's a dead end for them.

We already know they're working on a new game preservation project, which is likely some form of emulation, and will be critical for moving existing Xbox players over to the PC side. What titles make the cut is anyone's guess.

 

[Ozriel]

Three years ago I bought a Series X for $379 on Black Friday sale at Walmart.

Today those same shelves at Walmart are empty and the cost of the Series X online is prohibitively expensive.

Microsoft's actions and their words don't seem to be lining up.

I'm not sure what this has got to do with them pledging to make powerful, flagship next gen hardware.

Looks like they're phasing out the subsidies on hardware.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

By ending a generation prematurely.

Why would they take next generation seriously, after quitting this one early.

Why do you think they've quit this one?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I used to think this, but I feel they may give this one last go before folding and becoming a Surface-like device.

I stand by my words. They can even call it a console for marketing (Surface was custom to to a degree), but in it's heart it will be a slightly tweaked Windows 11 PC.

 

[Topher]

It's an Xbox with access to other stores. Microsoft can't legally transfer Xbox game licenses to PC.

Wow......that is going to be wild indeed. Xbox console with Steam integrated in. Still sounds too crazy to be true, but HeisenbergFX4 has been saying it for a while. Mind....blown

 

[mayham2199]

I'm fairly certain what they call their "future console" will just be a PC. They can't sell actual Xbox consoles outside of the US. It's a dead end for them.

We already know they're working on a new game preservation project, which is likely some form of emulation, and will be critical for moving existing Xbox players over to the PC side. What titles make the cut is anyone's guess.

Refer to this:

Game Dev  Thread 'Microsoft is hiring for a Principal Software Engineer position to join the Xbox team that focuses on emulating legacy titles on modern hardware'

May 9, 2025

Overview

Come help build the next evolution in Xbox Game Compatibility. Join the Xbox Platform team to leverage your system and security engineer experience to secure the future of Game Preservation. Your work will help identify and outline the specific requirements and security boundaries for protecting game content, build scalable emulation solutions, and ensure a safe and fun gameplay experience for all players. Our technology solutions are a critical part of enabling the Xbox goal of allowing players to experience...

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Well Kepler shot this down and said they legally can't do this. So I don't know how they are going to do this.

 

[Pharaoh 117]

No chance PS6 is coming out sooner than 2028. Covid really fucked shit up.

Considering how much time it took for this gen to kick into gear I would be more than fine with a 2028 or even later release for next-gen.

 

[Steve Holt]

Why do you think they've quit this one?

Purely based on more and more reports of the consoles being unavailable in various and seemingly in a growing amount of regions.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Sorry usual suspects, you'll have to kick your hardware and/or GamePass is dead cans down the road another gen.

 

[Kacho]

Well Kepler shot this down and said they legally can't do this. So I don't know how they are going to do this.

Who tf is Kepler?

 

[adamsapple]

I'm fairly certain what they call their "future console" will just be a PC. They can't sell actual Xbox consoles outside of the US. It's a dead end for them.

We already know they're working on a new game preservation project, which is likely some form of emulation, and will be critical for moving existing Xbox players over to the PC side. What titles make the cut is anyone's guess.

I dunno about that, man.

 

[bitbydeath]

The way Sarah talks, no way they're doing emulation here. This is in silicone no doubt. Maybe they're baking in some Series silicone into an otherwise PC compatible APU somehow?

It's using Windows so don't expect native anything from old Xbox code.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Wait this is going to be a pc (several pcs) running different stores and playing old xbox games using thoses stores? what about the games not available on steam / xbox store? new software bc app for those ? paging HeisenbergFX4