Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Thread: Everyone wants it, no one uses it

Microsoft does not want my money. they never fixed the buying BC titles with store credit issue.
the only way is to use a 360 and I don't have one
 
OrbitalBeard said:
Are the Doom 1 and 2 ports good?

Does Doom 1 include all Ultimate Doom content? So close to buying both since they're on sale.
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Yep DOOM has Ep4. Theyre both 1.9 versions as far as aware. It does have the different graphic on the med kits though if that bothers you. Otherwise perfect ports.

I wish id would put Final DOOM and the Master Levels up too. Miss those.
 
Novocaine said:
Yep DOOM has Ep4. Theyre both 1.9 versions as far as aware. It does have the different graphic on the med kits though if that bothers you. Otherwise perfect ports.

I wish id would put Final DOOM and the Master Levels up too. Miss those.
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On top of that, I believe both games have local MP and splitscreen coop up to 4 players.
 
Yeah, I just picked up both Doom and Doom II and am really glad I did. I'm surprised at how well these games have held up!

Definitely buy 'em for $2.50 each on sale if you don't already own them.
 
Great to hear about CAVE's games making it here. I regret never getting NIN2 JUMP back when it was available, but I'm always glad to see a de-listed game added to the BC list.

And also happy for Mr. Driller. Love the music in that game, gave it a few rounds already. It's great fun revisiting all these old XBLA games from the past, getting to see if years away from the games leaves you unable to even dream of the scores you got on the still-present leaderboards.

Glad to see so many remember Omega Five as well as I do! The inclusion of a delisted game this time still has me hoping for Sega's Blue Skies classics like Outrun and Afterburner CLIMAX.
 
lifelower said:
https://twitter.com/cavegames/statuses/760618645147877376

Cave expects Guwange to be their next BC game because they've heard that XBLA games seem to be easier to support BC. But everything is up to MS, there is nothing to do on BC works for Cave but just give approvals to MS.
Sounds like many Cave games are in the queue.

Also, Bullet Soul (5pb) might support BC. The game's producer is working on it.
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You know what I like about that tweet? I like that they openly said they have signed off on titles so that fans of Cave games know that it is now up to MS to get them out. I wish more publishers would be this open, but they won't. They probably refuse to sign off on some titles as they hope to remaster them instead. I'm sure this is why a lot of them have not been openly honest about their titles being BC.
I'm almost willing to bet MS had to pay Rockstar and Activision to allow COD: BO and RDR to be BC. The more I think about it I bet other publishers are asking for some sort of incentive as well. Could be another reason why we have not seen a lot of AAA games.
Sorry, I went all conspiracy theory there for a moment.
 
There's no way MS are paying Rockstar/Activision to make their games go BC I think. BC is already probably a waste of resources, time and money for them, I can't see them wasting even more more than they need to.

I think it just comes down to R* and Activision just having no plans at all to remaster certain games, so allow MS to do all the work while they reap in some $. RDR we know is a mess code wise, and CoD games are annually it's kinda hard to remaster them (this year being an exception, and most likely only shoehorned in because not many like the futuristic take and it was too late to turn back - Ghosts didn't help either.)
 
Chris1 said:
There's no way MS are paying Rockstar/Activision to make their games go BC I think. BC is already probably a waste of resources, time and money for them, I can't see them wasting even more more than they need to.

I think it just comes down to R* and Activision just having no plans at all to remaster certain games, so allow MS to do all the work while they reap in some $. RDR we know is a mess code wise, and CoD games are annually it's kinda hard to remaster them (this year being an exception, and most likely only shoehorned in because not many like the futuristic take and it was too late to turn back - Ghosts didn't help either.)
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I have to disagree. They see it as a viable use of resources. They believe there are X360 uses that have not left last gen, mainly due to certain titles not being BC. They are hoping they can get more people to go ahead and upgrade with the addition of BC, something Sony does not offer. If Activision and Rockstar had no problems signing off on BC, then they would have let gamers know a long time ago "hey, we said yes, speak to MS, it's on them now" which other publishers, even prior to Cave, have done.
Also, think about this for a moment, last gen saw the sale of 85 million X360 and 86 million PS3 systems. That's 171 million total systems. This gen X1 is at about 20 million and PS4 at about 40 million for a total of about 60 million. That still leaves over 100 million that have not upgraded to a next gen system. They definitely see BC as a feature and incentive and probably were willing to spend to get COD: BO and RDR on BC.
 
amdb00mer said:
I have to disagree. They see it as a viable use of resources. They believe there are X360 uses that have not left last gen, mainly due to certain titles not being BC. They are hoping they can get more people to go ahead and upgrade with the addition of BC, something Sony does not offer. If Activision and Rockstar had no problems signing off on BC, then they would have let gamers know a long time ago "hey, we said yes, speak to MS, it's on them now" which other publishers, even prior to Cave, have done.
Also, think about this for a moment, last gen saw the sale of 85 million X360 and 86 million PS3 systems. That's 171 million total systems. This gen X1 is at about 20 million and PS4 at about 40 million for a total of about 60 million. That still leaves over 100 million that have not upgraded to a next gen system. They definitely see BC as a feature and incentive and probably were willing to spend to get COD: BO and RDR on BC.
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Yeah that's no doubt their plan but I don't believe it's actually effective, perhaps if BC was there from the getgo it would have been but in terms of keeping people in your ecosystem I think it's a bit too late and people will buy what their friends have now, or what they always intended to buy BC or no BC. Of course, I'm not saying nobody buys an XB1 solely because of BC, but I don't think it's enough people for the whole initiative to be worthwhile to MS.

It sold 85M 360 but how many from unique users? :P far lower than that I'd expect, especially with the RROD fiasco. But yeah, as I said above I think the whole BC thing was a little too late to get people to buy an xbox one to keep their library. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Really good initiative for the gamers, not so much for MS, that's how I see it. But I'm not complaining :P, I think BC is a cool feature to have and I'm definitely glad MS is sticking with it. I don't think we'll ever actually find out if it was worthwhile for them anyways, so it's all just speculation and everyones entitled to their opinion on that.
 
zoodoo said:
Microsoft does not want my money. they never fixed the buying BC titles with store credit issue.
the only way is to use a 360 and I don't have one
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I think this is a technical issue with how the 360 store is set up. If this is the case, it will never be fixed. Sad, since MS won't be getting my information, ever. Everyone loses!
 
RedToad64 said:
I think this is a technical issue with how the 360 store is set up. If this is the case, it will never be fixed. Sad, since MS won't be getting my information, ever. Everyone loses!
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It is, the 360 store is a disaster technically, I believe Phil Spencer said they'd look into it but it's a big job (my guess is they probably have to rewrite the entire store from essentially scratch). You can tell the store was designed with 2005 or whatever in mind, with not much future proofing at all just looking at the glaring obvious issues (the most annoying one for me is store prices updating regionally rather than globally like the XB1 :()

I think they'll do it eventually, it's just not going to be a huge priority for them... Not something worth getting your hopes up, but it'll be cool when it happens.
 
statham said:
With Scorpio as strong as it it, could it be full BC, no need for a wrapper and re-license games? It could play the games straight from DVD with no need to install? It could literally play every 360 game?
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Theoretically they could install games from the disc onto the VM instead of downloading the prebuilt VM. My guess is they don't want people trying to hack XB1 with phony/modded 360 discs. So they download all game data from servers which is why they need the okay from the publishers. If they weren't afraid of the XB1 getting hacked, I'm sure they'd let you play any game off a disc.
 
infinityBCRT said:
Theoretically they could install games from the disc onto the VM instead of downloading the prebuilt VM. My guess is they don't want people trying to hack XB1 with phony/modded 360 discs. So they download all game data from servers which is why they need the okay from the publishers. If they weren't afraid of the XB1 getting hacked, I'm sure they'd let you play any game off a disc.
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You could potentially pull a lot of the data files, but you'd still need to download the newly compiled x64 executables. Because they are making and distributing a derivative work that they don't own is one of the reasons they must seek publishers legal approval.

Of note, my understanding of their voodoo-inspired process is from this article - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-fallout-3-is-an-xbox-one-back-compat-showcase

"It is essentially the exact same code," Rayner replied. "The Xbox team converts the 360 game and 360 flash PPC executables into native x64 executables, packages those up with the 360 game assets, 360 flash and emulator as a regular Xbox One game, and publishes it."
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We just spent the last year or two converging the Xbox One store with the Windows Store. Please don't ask us to do even more grueling back-end convergence work with the 360 store just so you can use your Microsoft Account credit on back-compat games :-X

We want to build cool new features for you! Not continue to re-architect more and more old stuff!
 
Chris1 said:
Yeah that's no doubt their plan but I don't believe it's actually effective, perhaps if BC was there from the getgo it would have been but in terms of keeping people in your ecosystem I think it's a bit too late and people will buy what their friends have now, or what they always intended to buy BC or no BC. Of course, I'm not saying nobody buys an XB1 solely because of BC, but I don't think it's enough people for the whole initiative to be worthwhile to MS.

It sold 85M 360 but how many from unique users? :P far lower than that I'd expect, especially with the RROD fiasco. But yeah, as I said above I think the whole BC thing was a little too late to get people to buy an xbox one to keep their library. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Really good initiative for the gamers, not so much for MS, that's how I see it. But I'm not complaining :P, I think BC is a cool feature to have and I'm definitely glad MS is sticking with it. I don't think we'll ever actually find out if it was worthwhile for them anyways, so it's all just speculation and everyones entitled to their opinion on that.
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Yeah, in the short run it probably did not sway all that many players. In the long run, if they can keep up the emulator working well in Scorpio/whatever comes next it will be beneficial as their new consoles will already have an enormous catalogue available. However, that is likely to only appeal to some of the most hardcore gamers and not to the average gamer who won't care very much about games released before 2009-10.
 
dLMN8R said:
We just spent the last year or two converging the Xbox One store with the Windows Store. Please don't ask us to do even more grueling back-end convergence work with the 360 store just so you can use your Microsoft Account credit on back-compat games :-X

We want to build cool new features for you! Not continue to re-architect more and more old stuff!
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You should have done it years ago when points got converted to $$$. Justify it all you want but not supporting MS account even on the Xbox website is a huge mistake.
 
dLMN8R said:
We just spent the last year or two converging the Xbox One store with the Windows Store. Please don't ask us to do even more grueling back-end convergence work with the 360 store just so you can use your Microsoft Account credit on back-compat games :-X

We want to build cool new features for you! Not continue to re-architect more and more old stuff!
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I don't agree with your position at all when the Xbox Live rewards programs is still active and supported by Xbox One. https://rewards.xbox.com/ rewards from which gets credited to our Microsoft account usually after spending a not too insignificant amount of money.

"Gruelling back-end convergence"? Please don't make me counter your hyperbol with "lazy devs" why don't you let us know how much you get paid to do a job that many many people out there would love to do without whining about how hard it is. SMH.
 
dLMN8R said:
We just spent the last year or two converging the Xbox One store with the Windows Store. Please don't ask us to do even more grueling back-end convergence work with the 360 store just so you can use your Microsoft Account credit on back-compat games :-X

We want to build cool new features for you! Not continue to re-architect more and more old stuff!
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Can´t you just add the Xbox 360 games as new "Xbox One games" to the current store?

They would not show up on our Xbox 360s obviously but I doubt much people will care moving forward.
 
mike4001_ said:
Can´t you just add the Xbox 360 games as new "Xbox One games" to the current store?

They would not show up on our Xbox 360s obviously but I doubt much people will care moving forward.
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Wait does dlm work at Microsoft?

Because a potential workaround would be to sell digital codes for all 360 games and you can buy with xbl credit etc. This would of course allow reselling and gifting but the money would be going to Microsoft in the first place anyways. Or they could even make it so that it buys the code then automatically redeems it, that's how I thought they would originally add the 360 store, not making it literally a web portal
 
J_ToSaveTheDay said:
Didn't the Alan Wake games have contrast problems that resulted in, most prominently, a lot of black crush? I got them free with Quantum Break but never installed 'em, just remember hearing that they had some issues.
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It did at launch. However, Microsoft released a patch to correct the issues for at least Alan Wake. Can't remember about American Nightmare but I feel like they did. So it's now free of black crush when emulated when I use the standard/limited color space.
 
muzzymate said:
It did at launch. However, Microsoft released a patch to correct the issues for at least Alan Wake. Can't remember about American Nightmare but I feel like they did. So it's now free of black crush when emulated when I use the standard/limited color space.
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I'll queue the downloads when I get home then. :)
 
That's awesome news about Cave's titles! They're at the top of my most wanted list. I own discs for games I can't play because I sold my 360 to help pay for the Bone. Super stoked about this!
 
So I got an Xbox Slim and for some reason I ca't load my Xbox Live profile in backwards compaible games... Anyone have this issue before?
 
dLMN8R said:
We just spent the last year or two converging the Xbox One store with the Windows Store. Please don't ask us to do even more grueling back-end convergence work with the 360 store just so you can use your Microsoft Account credit on back-compat games :-X

We want to build cool new features for you! Not continue to re-architect more and more old stuff!
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Lol
 
Dumb question but if I have new Vegas digitally and buy the ultimate edition can I install the dlc using the second disc and still play the game without the disc in?

Bethesda is charging a lot for all the dlc, the ultimate edition can be had for like $10.
 
7DollarHagane said:
Dumb question but if I have new Vegas digitally and buy the ultimate edition can I install the dlc using the second disc and still play the game without the disc in?

Bethesda is charging a lot for all the dlc, the ultimate edition can be had for like $10.
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Haven't tried it myself with New Vegas, but this works for my GOTY disc copy of Fallout 3 and the digital version I got from Fallout 4.
 
You could test it by installing the second disc then using the first one to play, if it lets you use the DLCs then it should work
 
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