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[Synth]

Some of that definitely went on because of lack of competition, but this time MS won't have their one year advantage anymore.

On Idol Master, they definitely did have some sort of deal - one that Namco eventually pulled out of because MS supposedly wanted a bigger cut of the DLC money pie or something like that.

Yea, I definitely don't expect to see a similar situation of Japanese devs placing a load of content exclusively on Xbox. I wouldn't be too surprised to see a couple of exclusive games funded, in the vein of Lost Odyssey or Crimson Dragon though... more likely on the scale of Crimson Dragon than Lost Odyssey this time around.

The Idolm@ster stuff seems a bit strange. I'd think if you were going to tie a franchise up in order to push your console, you'd pick up something that wasn't going to be a niche inside a niche, heh. But then there were a few 360 exclusives that I never understood (for example Virtual On Force).

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

On Idol Master, they definitely did have some sort of deal - one that Namco eventually pulled out of because MS supposedly wanted a bigger cut of the DLC money pie or something like that.

Link? Haven't heard about this at all.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

You know how the PS2 got a load of exclusives because there were simply a load more of them in the market than there were Xbox and Gamecubes? Why is it impossible to believe that maybe the 360 having a year to get multiple millions of units ahead didn't affect the choice of where some of these games headed?

Also, Ridge Racer 6 was a launch game. There wasn't a PS3 to release that on for another year (and they did, as RR7... which the 360 didn't get).

EDIT: Don't ask me about Idolm@ster though... that never made any sense to me (not even as a moneyhat prospect).

Except with the PS2 it made sense since Playstation brand was very strong and PS1 software sales where insane.

Its weird to all of a sudden to see games that used to be on PS2 suddenly move to 360, especially when the XB brand is dead in JP and the majority of their sales would be coming form JP. Several games released in 2008/09, a time where PS3 had already eclipsed the 360's LTD by a significant amount and ports where not made unlike other games later on leading me to believe they were money hatted.

 

[orochi91]

Microsoft must have given Namco a lot of money since a lot of their games became 360 exclusive all of a sudden.

Lets look at a list:

Tales of Vesperia
Star Ocean 4
Lost Planet
Magna Carta 2
IDOLM@STER
Steins Gate
Eternal Sonata
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Infinite Undiscovery
MH Frontier Online
Earth Defense Force 2017
Mobile Suit Gundam Operation Troy

Thats some serious moneyhatting.

My god, that is a seriously impressive list. The exact type of thing I hope that
DOES NOT happen this time around, given the immense popularity of the PS4.
Like some have noted, I don't expect it to be this bad now since there is no year head
start for the XB1.

 

[Kagari]

Link? Haven't heard about this at all.

Because it wasn't exactly pubic knowledge.

 

[EvB]

Microsoft must have given Namco a lot of money since a lot of their games became 360 exclusive all of a sudden.

Lets look at a list:

Tales of Vesperia
Star Ocean 4
Lost Planet
Magna Carta 2
IDOLM@STER
Steins Gate
Eternal Sonata
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Infinite Undiscovery
MH Frontier Online
Earth Defense Force 2017
Mobile Suit Gundam Operation Troy

Thats some serious moneyhatting.

only if you put a super cynical (misinformed?) spin on it

Lost Planet
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Earth Defense Force 2017
IDOLM@STER
Steins Gate

All either launched BEFORE the Ps3 was available everywhere or did come for for PS3...
I'd imagine it had far more to do with the Ps3's poor development tools early on in it's life and just being out of sync with games that were ready for release.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Must be hard for MS when they are not getting any kind of traction despite having put in so much effort. I really don't think there is anything they can do, it's the same situation as it is in a lot of Europe.

I hope they keep trying though as it's not my money they are wasting.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

only if you put a super cynical (misinformed?) spin on it

Lost Planet
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Earth Defense Force 2017
IDOLM@STER
Steins Gate

All either launched BEFORE the Ps3 was available everywhere or did come for for PS3...

Apart from Lost Planet all of those games have the majority of their sales in Japan. Many of them were also not ported despite being relatively well known franchises leading me to believe they were money hatted. It would make no sense for Namco to bring its well known franchises ti a dead brand in JP, loosing out on sales, and then not even porting it to a relatively successful platform without some kind of finance.

My god, that is a seriously impressive list. The exact type of thing I hope that
DOES NOT happen this time around, given the immense popularity of the PS4.
Like some have noted, I don't expect it to be this bad now since there is no year head
start for the XB1.

It definitely won't. Publishers won't make the same mistake twice.

It must be noted that MS did fund quite a few games such as Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and maybe they might do this again which is what I am interested in.

 

[Synth]

Except with the PS2 it made sense since Playstation brand was very strong and PS1 software sales where insane.

Its weird to all of a sudden to see games that used to be on PS2 suddenly move to 360, especially when the XB brand is dead in JP and the majority of their sales would be coming form JP. Several games released in 2008/09, a time where PS3 had already eclipsed the 360's LTD by a significant amount and ports where not made unlike other games later on leading me to believe they were money hatted.

I'm not claiming it didn't happen. Just that some of the releases listed aren't that difficult to imagine had a lot to do with MS having a year head start, and many Japanese devs looking to have a more western focus early in the gen.

Of what you listed; Lost Planet, Eternal Sonata, Ridge Racer 6 and EDF don't strike me as being very suspicious given the worldwide standings of the 360 and PS3 at the time. Infinite Undiscovery was funded by MS, and so isn't surprising at all. MH Frontier Online sat on PCs for 3 years before being ported anywhere, so I don't think it was MS keeping that off PS3.

So that leaves Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, Magna Carta 2, IDOLM@STER, Steins Gate and Gundam... with half of that list making it to PS3 anyway.

Also, the 360 was a software sales beast.

 

[iceatcs]

Quite long time to go, at least they have lot of time to preparing. Hope there won't be unreasonable 3rd party exclusive.

 

[coughlanio]

I'll be in Japan two weeks after the launch, I'm looking forward to seeing the ridiculously small display units.

 

[Synth]

Apart from Lost Planet all of those games have the majority of their sales in Japan.

Do you have a source for this? I'm having a hard time envisioning Ridge Racer 6 and Ace Combat 6 having more Japanese sales than US. Hell, I'm finding that difficult to believe for things like Eternal Sonata even.

 

[stack9902]

there's always a market.

yeah while it is doubtful it would even catch PS4 sales, its still sales none the less, there will be a fan base, just how much remains to be seen. KI and DR3 may do well, Forza too, we'll see.

 

[EvB]

Apart from Lost Planet all of those games have the majority of their sales in Japan. Many of them were also not ported despite being relatively well known franchises leading me to believe they were money hatted.

Lost Planet : NEW IP
Ridge Racer 6 : No PS3 in existence (PS3 got exclusive R7)
Ace Combat 6 : Sold more outside of Japan, series always has.
Earth Defense Force 2017 : ?
IDOLM@STER : Started being ported before PS3 release date announced. Sequel released on PS3
Steins Gate : Released for PS3.

 

[vicissitudes]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

 

[orochi91]

It must be noted that MS did fund quite a few games such as Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and maybe they might do this again which is what I am interested in.

I commend MS for funding these two games, they seem rather good. I don't have a problem
with platform holders funding games that may not have existed otherwise, like with
Nintendo and Bayonetta 2.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

lol

 

[Habib Marwan]

FACT: The Xbox 360 is being outsold 4x by the Vita TV, and 8x by the PSP.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

Is this another Neogaf MEME?

 

[Palocca]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

 

[Aquamarine]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

Serious response to your silly trolling:

FACT: The original Xbox only sold 471,992 consoles in Japan (ABYSMALLY horrible)

FACT: The Xbox 360 only sold 1,612,391 consoles in Japan (again, EXTREMELY bad...the Wii U has already surpassed that)

FACT: The Xbox brand has very little pull in Japan

FACT: Xbox One is launching 9 months after PS4

FACT: The PS4 hasn't been selling all that great in Japan right now

FACT: PlayStation is a stronger brand in Japan than Xbox


All of those facts point to one conclusion: Xbox One will have a very difficult time competing in Japan.

;-)

 

[Synth]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

I actually started typing out a legit response to this... Almost got me again.

 

[Road]

I'm not claiming it didn't happen. Just that some of the releases listed aren't that difficult to imagine had a lot to do with MS having a year head start, and many Japanese devs looking to have a more western focus early in the gen.

Of what you listed; Lost Planet, Eternal Sonata, Ridge Racer 6 and EDF don't strike me as being very suspicious given the worldwide standings of the 360 and PS3 at the time. Infinite Undiscovery was funded by MS, and so isn't surprising at all. MH Frontier Online sat on PCs for 3 years before being ported anywhere, so I don't think it was MS keeping that off PS3.

So that leaves Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, Magna Carta 2, IDOLM@STER, Steins Gate and Gundam... with half of that list making it to PS3 anyway.

Also, the 360 was a software sales beast.

Now, when you can look at the past and see what has happened, it may not be difficult to you to imagine someone would bet on the Xbox 360 hoping for better performance in the West.

However, when these games were conceived, circa 2005, PS2 was like 90% of the market, $599 PS3 still hadn't happened, and the Xbox brand was not only irrelevant in Japan but also worldwide. I guess they must have consulted some psychic to go against all odds so easily.

Too bad they were not very good seers, or else they would have told them to bet on the Wii. =P

 

[Danchi]

ok, XBO already set as new SHMUP system for nextgen

I think we can look at similar lists and say these things don't always materialise. Before the Vita was launched (or, at least, early on) CAVE was down for an original game and a port of Akai Katana which they eventually cancelled. There were obviously specific circumstances surrounding the STG dev attachment to the 360 (sht that has been talked about to death) and with CAVE restructuring it's focus, G.Rev making their last couple of releases multi-platform, and MOSS porting games to PS3 I'd be surprised if we saw a similar scenario to last generation.

The only way I can see it is if Microsoft Japan incentivises it for these guys which probably wouldn't be unrealistic (I believe I read on here they helped fund the Saidaioujou port?). People will call that a "moneyhat," but I don't see these games happening without that backing (at least not to the extent we saw with the 360).

A few people on the shmups11 forum are anticipating CAVE to port some of their 360 catalogue to the XB1, for instance. I love their games and have everything I can play by them on my PAL 360 (and I'll be finally getting a JP system to play those few stragglers soon), but re-buying them again at full-price without at least a significant new mode would likely be that bridge too far for me.

 

[Imperfected]

Hmm SquareSoft. Could it be possible MS got over themselves and added the possibility of FFXIV to go along with FFXV? More wishful thinking on my part, I know...

I don't know how else to tell you this, but...

FFXIV on X-Box platforms was always at Microsoft's option. Square-Enix wanted to do cross-play between the platforms (360/XB1/PC/PS4/PS3) because after the rocky original launch they were justifiably worried that FFXIV: ARR wouldn't be able to sustain healthy server populations with only XB1/PS4 players by themselves.

The plan during development had always been to release on those platforms. There was no need for outside funding or contracting. Microsoft refused to negotiate terms where cross-play would be allowed (as they had with FFXI), and as a result the game was never ported to X-Box platforms.

So, if you want to see FFXIV (and other games like it, especially F2P ones) what you need to be doing is harping on Microsoft about their X-Box Live policies. If you're bugging the ID@XB1 or strategic partnership people, you're barking up the wrong tree. (Though I suppose if you needle them enough they might make a more serious effort to take the matter up to their superiors.)

 

[Synth]

Now, when you can look at the past and see what has happened, it may not be difficult to you to imagine someone would bet on the Xbox 360 hoping for better performance in the West.

However, when these games were conceived, circa 2005, PS2 was like 90% of the market, $599 PS3 still hadn't happened, and the Xbox brand was not only irrelevant in Japan but also worldwide. I guess they must have consulted some psychic to go against all odds so easily.

Too bad they were not very good seers, or else they would have told them to bet on the Wii. =P

Well, that's not too dissimilar to the Dreamcast gaining decent support in the PS2's absence. If the PS3 had come out steamrolling everything, then they just do as they did the previous gen, and move everything over to the PS3 immediately. Sony fumbling the ball likely only adjusted the priorities of what to port, and when.

Besides, they were going to have to get a handle on HD development at some point (especially after having sat out the Xbox for the most part). Why not make a start as early as possible rather than wait for Sony's "Next gen starts when we say it does"?

 

[KillerMan91]

I'm not claiming it didn't happen. Just that some of the releases listed aren't that difficult to imagine had a lot to do with MS having a year head start, and many Japanese devs looking to have a more western focus early in the gen.

Of what you listed; Lost Planet, Eternal Sonata, Ridge Racer 6 and EDF don't strike me as being very suspicious given the worldwide standings of the 360 and PS3 at the time. Infinite Undiscovery was funded by MS, and so isn't surprising at all. MH Frontier Online sat on PCs for 3 years before being ported anywhere, so I don't think it was MS keeping that off PS3.

So that leaves Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, Magna Carta 2, IDOLM@STER, Steins Gate and Gundam... with half of that list making it to PS3 anyway.

Also, the 360 was a software sales beast.

MS never gave us any shipment data about software sales.... If you look at data we got from publishers X360 and PS3 sold software pretty evenly.

 

[Synth]

MS never gave us any shipment data about software sales.... If you look at data we got from publishers X360 and PS3 sold software pretty evenly.

Well, I'm not referring to overall at the end of the gen. I just recall that the tie ratio for 360 software was considered pretty nuts early on. Wasn't it the highest tie ratio the industry had seen up until that point?

 

[RPGamer92]

Wouldn't Platinum's game technically count as a Microsoft game if they're publishing it?

 

[vicissitudes]

I actually started typing out a legit response to this... Almost got me again.

It's cool, if someone said two years ago that the Vita would be outselling the 3DS on a regular basis he would be laughed at too.

For the record, I don't think the One will save the console market or anything. It'll be like a Vita-3DS situation where both the PS4 and the Wii U are so dead that I can see the One outsell them on a regular basis.

I love the PS4 as much as anyone but let's remove our emotions here and look at the facts: there is no Japan-centric software coming out on the thing in the near future. The PS4 was not ready to launch in Japan. By September it'll probably be dead in the water, whereas the Xbox One will have all the hype of a new system and plenty of software for launch. MS knows what it's doing.

 

[Danchi]

It's cool, if someone said two years ago that the Vita would be outselling the 3DS on a regular basis he would be laughed at too..

Probably because people don't consider a one week anomaly to be a consistent basis. Especially a week both trackers couldn't even agree on.

 

[jryi]

FACT: The Xbox 360 only sold 1,612,391 consoles in Japan (again, EXTREMELY bad...the Wii U has already surpassed that)

THAT'S MORE THAN PS4 HAS EVER SOLD IN JAPAN!!!

Spoiler

Do I even need to add the "/s" here?

 

[Black Mantis]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

Rafa Benitez posts on GAF?!

 

[Wynnebeck]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

As a troll myself, I have to say bravo. That one almost got me. lol

 

[Liha]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

 

[AstroN]

How will they integrate ESPN into XBox One in Japan? Or any of its amazing TV features? How am I going to see whats trending in Japan while playing Ryse and watching movie trailers at the same time? Are they going to integrate Batsu Games into my Xbox One Kinect experience?

Will Xbox One allow you to dominate in your fantasy baseball league in Japan? These are important questions that the Microsoft partners want to know since consumers aren't really Microsoft's biggest concern.

 

[Occam]

I just realized that this is the correct response to this announcement:

 

[Biker19]

It's cool, if someone said two years ago that the Vita would be outselling the 3DS on a regular basis he would be laughed at too.

For the record, I don't think the One will save the console market or anything. It'll be like a Vita-3DS situation where both the PS4 and the Wii U are so dead that I can see the One outsell them on a regular basis.

I love the PS4 as much as anyone but let's remove our emotions here and look at the facts: there is no Japan-centric software coming out on the thing in the near future. The PS4 was not ready to launch in Japan. By September it'll probably be dead in the water, whereas the Xbox One will have all the hype of a new system and plenty of software for launch. MS knows what it's doing.

Even if they do, they're not going to pay more attention to Xbox One than PS4. There are also games like Final Fantasy XV & Kingdom Hearts III coming out, & they're going to sell more on PS4 than on Xbox One.

Also, like Aquamarine said, the Playstation brand is far more powerful than the Xbox brand in Japan.

 

[Jomjom]

You're right, I didn't read the quote properly. I got it mixed up with doniewhalberg's "maaaybe" post. My bad.

It's pretty much impossible to prove a game was not moneyhatted if the topic has never been brought up by someone who knows for sure though. You just can't make assertions like he did either. I could suspect a lot of games in the PS2 era were moneyhatted, and chances are there's no quotes for most of them, that prove definitively otherwise, despite how unlikely it is that they were.

Don't think the PS2 situation and the 360 were similar at all. The Xbox platform has always sold extremely poorly in Japan, so for them to get exclusives from Japanese developers tends to imply some sort of quid pro quo.

The PS2 was outselling all other consoles by a bajillion, everywhere on planet Earth. There's no reason they had to moneyhat anything, because any smart publisher is going to release there unless they want to lose a huge amount of sales.

 

[Ratba]

Most people don't know what the Xbox is. Plain and simple. However I'll pick one up if they can get some Japanese studios to actually release for it or go through with the backwards compatibility I saw in a rumor thread. All of us PS4 Japan users are either importing or waiting a few months for things to be localized.

 

[abadguy]

Wouldn't Platinum's game technically count as a Microsoft game if they're publishing it?

I would think so. Didn't Phil Spencer say something about there being no such thing as a "second party" title and anything they publish is considered first party or something to that effect?

 

[Synth]

Don't think the PS2 situation and the 360 were similar at all. The Xbox platform has always sold extremely poorly in Japan, so for them to get exclusives from Japanese developers tends to imply some sort of quid pro quo.

The PS2 was outselling all other consoles by a bajillion, everywhere on planet Earth. There's no reason they had to moneyhat anything, because any smart publisher is going to release there unless they want to lose a huge amount of sales.

I wasn't claiming they were similar. I was illustrating how without an official word it's not really possible to prove something wasn't moneyhatted. I used the PS2 as an example because I think we can all agree that moneyhats was not the reason it had so many exclusives, and yet we can't actually prove that for any individual game. Arguing how likely it is, is a completely different matter. But without any clarification either way, we can't say for certain.

 

[TAJ]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

The most expertly-crafted troll in years.
Made my day.

EDIT:

It's cool, if someone said two years ago that the Vita would be outselling the 3DS on a regular basis he would be laughed at too.

For the record, I don't think the One will save the console market or anything. It'll be like a Vita-3DS situation where both the PS4 and the Wii U are so dead that I can see the One outsell them on a regular basis.

I love the PS4 as much as anyone but let's remove our emotions here and look at the facts: there is no Japan-centric software coming out on the thing in the near future. The PS4 was not ready to launch in Japan. By September it'll probably be dead in the water, whereas the Xbox One will have all the hype of a new system and plenty of software for launch. MS knows what it's doing.

For a second this post almost convinced me that you believe what you've typed on this page. You got me good.

 

[JesseDeya]

Same! I think people underestimate Microsoft's ability to see what fans and hardcore gamers want and give it to them. I always thought the original Xbox was really a Dreamcast 2.

Have you not been paying attention for about... four years?

 

[theprodigy]

I'm not sure why so many people are writing off the Xbone One in Japan here. I honestly think it'll do much better than people think. Let's look at the facts here.

FACT: Japanese tastes are becoming more westernized. GTA V was one of the top selling games of this gen. The One is the most western next-gen console. These are facts.

FACT: The Wii U and PS4 are both floundering in Japan. The Wii U and PS3 sold much less than their predecessors while the 360 sold much more. MS has all the momentum. The console market is ripe for a newcomer.

FACT: Japan loves Halo. When Halo 3 came out, it was the BEST SELLING game that week. This is a FACT. You can't argue against it. Go check the old Media Create threads if you don't believe me.

FACT: PS4 has no advantages over the One. Its biggest games: FFXV, KH3, MGS5, and RE7 are all going to be on the One. It's more powerful but Japan doesn't care about graphics. If you have been reading about Japan game sales for as long as I have you would know this. On the other hand, the One has Titanfall. We all know Japan loves mechs. Look at how much it sold on the 360. Now multiply that by 10. This game will be HUGE on the Xbox One when it comes out. Oh, the One also has Halo, exclusively on Xbox, and like I said before Halo is a HUGE game in Japan.

I know it's easy to look at history and say "well xbox didn't sell well in the past" but if you can stay objective like I do and look only at the facts - I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Xbox One pass PS4 sales in a year or two, is all I'm saying.

It's cool, if someone said two years ago that the Vita would be outselling the 3DS on a regular basis he would be laughed at too.

For the record, I don't think the One will save the console market or anything. It'll be like a Vita-3DS situation where both the PS4 and the Wii U are so dead that I can see the One outsell them on a regular basis.

I love the PS4 as much as anyone but let's remove our emotions here and look at the facts: there is no Japan-centric software coming out on the thing in the near future. The PS4 was not ready to launch in Japan. By September it'll probably be dead in the water, whereas the Xbox One will have all the hype of a new system and plenty of software for launch. MS knows what it's doing.

your move, Road

 

[Syphon Filter]

Have you not been paying attention for about... four years?

Don is out, Phil is in.

 

[LowerLevel]

I don't know how else to tell you this, but...

FFXIV on X-Box platforms was always at Microsoft's option. Square-Enix wanted to do cross-play between the platforms (360/XB1/PC/PS4/PS3) because after the rocky original launch they were justifiably worried that FFXIV: ARR wouldn't be able to sustain healthy server populations with only XB1/PS4 players by themselves.

The plan during development had always been to release on those platforms. There was no need for outside funding or contracting. Microsoft refused to negotiate terms where cross-play would be allowed (as they had with FFXI), and as a result the game was never ported to X-Box platforms.

So, if you want to see FFXIV (and other games like it, especially F2P ones) what you need to be doing is harping on Microsoft about their X-Box Live policies. If you're bugging the ID@XB1 or strategic partnership people, you're barking up the wrong tree. (Though I suppose if you needle them enough they might make a more serious effort to take the matter up to their superiors.)

Hence the "Could it be possible MS got over themselves..." line. I know full well it's on MS' side of policy... unfortunately.

 

[cafemomo]

Why would Platinum work on Monster Hunter or Devil May Cry?

+ a monster hunter on a home consoler (especially a MS one) won't do shit.