Xbox One will be Number One in Sales

I sure hope not.

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Unless things change dramatically, I hope this is a sign of things to come.

Again, this may be true of the GAF crowd and their like. Casual "dudebros" will want the COD system, which in their minds is the Xbox. Unless that changes, and it could(though unlikely I think), then Xbox will be at the top of the charts. Can PS4 keep up, maybe. Not sure though.
 
the part that gets confusing is that the mass media market, the people who buy CoD, tend to buy what the core gamers and early adopters buy so Microsoft might have to find a way to get this into houses through an alternative medium.

i believe a long time ago we heard they were looking into a cable provider subsidization route. that might be a solution. otherwise, i don't think so OP. not on currently available information

Again, this may be true of the GAF crowd and their like. Casual "dudebros" will want the COD system, which in their minds is the Xbox. Unless that changes, and it could(though unlikely I think), then Xbox will be at the top of the charts. Can PS4 keep up, maybe. Not sure though.

casual gamers aren't early adopters. they aren't going to pay $500 for a box. they wait till the price drops. after the price gets to the right level, whichever one is the most popular and all of their friends have will probably be the console they decide to pick up
 
It's possible. I'll stick with the PS4 though. The name of Xbox alone will sell the systems initially but just like what happened with the Sega Saturn, names alone won't carry a system. To be successful, it must deliver the goods to the masses, not cater to a selected group of audience, aka dudebros and casual gamers. Just my opinion.
 
- MS won't have the early launch advantage this gen.
- MS most likely won't have pricing advantage, like they had this entire gen.
- There is no substantial evidence of them having bought any huge, market swaying, IP. Respawn IP is neither confirmed to be exclusive, and it has an unknown selling potential.
- MS won't have online functionality advantage this gen, since PS4 will be doing everything Xbone does and maybe more with Gaikai and live game broadcasts.

MS made huge strides this gen with #1, #2 and #4. They most likely won't have those next gen. The only way I could see them winning is veeeeery agressive pricing and mass money hats. But considering they are already spending $80m a year on NFL alone, I really doubt the higher ups at MS will allow Xbox executives to spend extra hundreds of millions of $ on subsidies that mostly likely won't be covered by extra future cash flow.
 
Are we cheerleading the apocalypse?
 
Nah, as long as CoD is still only a yearly thing that's never going to happen. The problem with Guitar Hero is when they stated releasing them every few months. If they wouldn't have gotten quite that greedy the series might still be alive today.

Doesn't Bobby K want to release a CoD game every 6 months? One by Treyarch and one by some other developer?
 
Just like Windows 8 has flopped all around, and Office 365, this will be the same. The difference is that in this case MSFT doesn't have a monopoly and the competition will destroy the Xbox.

This WILL be a flop, Saturn 2 without the great games, you'll see third parties leaving the ship as soon as scalpers begin returning thousands of unsold boxes to stores.

Windows 8. Oh you mean the same windows 8 that is selling at about the same adoption rate as Win 7. Gotcha. Sure seems like a flop to me. lol
 
No way it will top the gen in sales when it's so US centric with media features that will be useless around the world. It's also 2013, I don't want or even have cable TV.

I also don't care how well it sells. If I solely based my purchases on sales, I would watch twilight and listen to boy bands. I skipped the wii all gen and only picked up a couple of the best games to play on the WiiU with BC. I don't own a ps3 because it's still too expensive as a secondary console for me.

I wish MS luck with their new audience, the Xbox isn't for me anymore.
 
Why do people keep using high sales as an argument as if it'll convince people to change their mind? Success doesn't mean I'll like it or that I think it's deserving.
 
*bookmarked*

Everyone is piling on the One and hoping the hate will be a self-fulfilling prophecy so we can be closer to the one console future everyone seems to want. I'm just saying, that ain't happening...

sure it's my prediction, but it is a highly logical one. Just because you hate something now, doesn't mean it won't do well or even exceed your expectations... by a lot.

The irony really hurts.
 
microsoft have debuted a console to lukewarm reception at best three times so far. by the time the last two reached launch, they surpassed expectations. i have no reason to believe this won't happen again.

despite the anti-consumer stuff the hardcore gamers hate, i think this is going to be really successful in the us... which might be the only market that actually matters anymore for consoles.
 
Nope.

Hasn't been an exclusive I cared about on 360 since Lost Odyssey. Since Kinect, they've shown me they don't care about things I care about. I absolutely will not be buying an XB1.

That being said, consumers have shown me they're willing to buy anything with a decent marketing budget, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the XB1 become very successful.
 
I'm shocked that people think he had sound argument.

*bookmarked*

Everyone is piling on the One and hoping the hate will be a self-fulfilling prophecy so we can be closer to the one console future everyone seems to want. I'm just saying, that ain't happening...

sure it's my prediction, but it is a highly logical one. Just because you hate something now, doesn't mean it won't do well or even exceed your expectations... by a lot.

How come you left out these that you made from your last thread similar to this?
2. Wii...U? Despite the one year head start, there's lots of doom and gloom surrounding the Wii's successor and many mom and pop's out there still think it's an add-on to the Wii. Doesn't mean it will flat out fail, but there's no Wii-like success here, folks.

3. Playstation brand ain't what it used to be. With three disappointing product releases in a row (four if you count "Move") in the PSP, PS3, and PSV, the dominant brand that was once the "Playstation" is no more. It's no longer synonymous with games like it used to be.

5. Price. Even if the PS4's rumored power advantage comes to fruition, that means Durango should have the price advantage throughout the gen and the "most powerful" console has rarely ever been the most successful financially. (see Xbox, Dreamcast, PS4, PSP, etc.)

8. Focus. Microsoft's game division can put 99% of their focus on Durango (some probably split to Kinect 2.0) whereas Sony and Nintendo have to dedicate hefty resources to their handhelds. That's valuable development time/talent that is not available on this front of the "war"

9. Abandoned Ship. Microsoft abandoned the 360 much earlier than Sony has done with the PS3 and that's going to become evident in the first year of both systems. And in this biz, the years one and two are everything. Many of Sony's teams are still working to release AAA games on the PS3 this year before shifting focus while practically all of Microsoft's teams have been Durango-focused for quite some time now.

10. Development Kits. Not only will Microsoft's own teams and partners have more polished products out earlier in Durango's life than they did with the 360 (which were all basically up-ressed ports), but more 3rd parties will too because more Durango kits are apparently out in the wild and were out earlier (as per rumors).

One would assume you still believe those as a console manufacturer can use as strengths, no? Since you seem to left them out, it seems you think the Xbone wouldn't have those as advantages right? I left the "Wii....U?" point there because of the doom and gloom portion. The Xbone is definitely getting a lot of hate, doom & gloom, and etc.
 
As much as you hate the One right now, chances are you're going to buy one sometime during its lifespan because you are a gamer and it will be tough to resist when all is said and done.

Yeah, just as I couldn't resist from getting a 360 just to play multiplatform games I already had for my PS3 and for that dry first party library too.
 
Kinect 2.0
Nope.

Power of Dudebro
CoD sells just as much on PS3. Halo isn't having its best days... Neither is Gears, Judgement lol.

Marketing
Until now they still haven't shown anything.

Exclusives
They already fought this battle, and if you look at ammount of exclusives, Sony won.

Innovation
What they showed actually proves the opposite. Their reveal was like a trip to the 90s...
 
Windows 8. Oh you mean the same windows 8 that is selling at about the same adoption rate as Win 7. Gotcha. Sure seems like a flop to me. lol

wat

Figures from December:

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From March:

In the month of February, according to Net Applications, Windows 8 gained 0.4% of the desktop market, moving from 2.26 to 2.67%. In comparison, Windows 7 had a market share of over 9% after four months of public availability. A growth rate of 0.4% is absolutely horrendous, and — if we assume that PCs are replaced every five years — actually below the natural attrition/replacement rate. If growth of 0.4% wasn’t bad enough, it’s also worth pointing out that it’s down from 0.5% in January — yes, Windows 8 adoption is slowing down. Windows 7, after a small dip last month, actually gained market share in February.

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-windows-8-adoption-is-almost-at-a-standstill
 
Again, this may be true of the GAF crowd and their like. Casual "dudebros" will want the COD system, which in their minds is the Xbox. Unless that changes, and it could(though unlikely I think), then Xbox will be at the top of the charts. Can PS4 keep up, maybe. Not sure though.
Playstation was the dudebro crowd last generation. Such an audiences isn't attached to one over the other, MS got by on the first mover advantage this gen
 
Much like some are saying to wait for E3 due to MSFT's bad showing, I would not even classify this with an argument since right now, PS4 looks much better and we're not even at E3 yet.
 
Sony can do a lot of damage if they directly attack Microsoft's weakness in the U.S. They need to make a commercial that straight up asks people "why pay for Xbox Live, when you can do all this for free on Playstation"?

This TV focus doesn't sound International friendly.

The tv focus sounds middle aged/elderly friendly in the U.S.

I know very few 20-30 something people in the U.S who watch live tv from a paid tv provider.
 
microsoft have debuted a console to lukewarm reception at best three times so far. by the time the last two reached launch, they surpassed expectations. i have no reason to believe this won't happen again.

despite the anti-consumer stuff the hardcore gamers hate, i think this is going to be really successful in the us... which might be the only market that actually matters anymore for consoles.

Yeah, no. PS3 caught up with X360 worldwide despite getting destroyed in US.
 
How is the XboxOne innovative?

It is simply a more polished version of what we have now.

The Kinect for 360 might have sold units at first, but those sales fell off a cliff because the games are garbage if you don't like Dance Central.
 
Kinect 2.0
stifled laughter aside, they would have to forgoe a lot of these new ip's as being kinect games, thus alienating the hardcore, basically they can't pull of that balancing act between motion and hardcoe with their limited first party stable.

Power of Dudebro
seems more like an argument of why dudebro's won't buy a new console until they stop making call of duty and madden/fifa on current gen consoles

Marketing
they can't advertise themselves effectively if their content is poor and undesirable, which tuesday's showing was, but we shall see

Exclusives
this remains to be seen, also where sis you get this insomniac rumour?

Innovation
Sony have the luxury of seeing if this used games stuff will backfire. Also a lot of that stuff isn't innovation it's doing things we can already do slightly better, not anything new

Anyway, if you really will be that emotionally crippled if Xbone(love that name) isn't #1, then you have bigger problems than this. that is of course assuming this isn't an MS employee.
 
Console wars bring out the fanboy-ism out of the weak. Joking aside, anything is possible right now if MS can spin all this bad mojo against them.
 
Ok, OP all that sounds great but,


I WON"T BE ABLE TO TRADE, RENT, OR BORROW GAMES without paying the full price of the game.

Everything is going to behind a paywall, somethings will be behind multiple pay walls.

Kinect will always be watching me gather data that I don't think it's any of MS business to have. It sounds invasive.


sorry but these are all dealbreakers for me.

Also Halo isn't that great, not good enough to buy a system just for it. CODs and what not will all come to PS4 as well.
 
lets wait til e3 before calling whose going to win.

and if all three sell like shit, does being the winner really matter anyway
 
Windows 8. Oh you mean the same windows 8 that is selling at about the same adoption rate as Win 7. Gotcha. Sure seems like a flop to me. lol
I don't know about you, but in my case I can buy Windows 8 cheaper than Windows 7; there is no denying that it has been a huge failure, and MSFT has been forced to slash the price. That's a flop.

They still are trying to force the SO down our throats (most new computers come with it preinstalled). The response to it has been bad, people want their Start menu back and you'll see sooner rather than later that it will come back.

Also there is a difference, Win 7 came after a very unsuccessful Windows Vista and people were more cautious, and it won it's space; Win 8 should have been a success, but it needed a price slash to take off, and I don't know anybody excited about it. Not in the PC space nor in the tablet space; failure and failure.
 
I'm shocked that people think he had sound argument.



How come you left out these that you made from your last thread similar to this?


One would assume you still believe those as a console manufacturer can use as strengths, no? Since you seem to left them out, it seems you think the Xbone wouldn't have those as advantages right? I left the "Wii....U?" point there because of the doom and gloom portion. The Xbone is definitely getting a lot of hate, doom & gloom, and etc.
Goddamn. This one is my favorite:
5. Price. Even if the PS4's rumored power advantage comes to fruition, that means Durango should have the price advantage throughout the gen and the "most powerful" console has rarely ever been the most successful financially. (see Xbox, Dreamcast, PS4, PSP, etc.)
 
Xbox 360 was 3rd in worldwide sales this gen. XBOne has a lot less going for it, so I don't know why any sane person would make this thread.
 
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