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[BlackTron]

But hey, proprietary memory cards are cool

I think the real miscalculation was in having a platform worth paying a premium on cool memory cards.

Back on 360 people just replaced the whole console like used razors, because they aggressively wanted access to what it offered. At that time, it was probably a valid calculation that customers would cough up the extra funds needed for a HDD in a custom 360 plastic shell. But I don't think they're connecting all their bigbrain data points completely. Under heavy competition, they assume they still have that leverage, coming off Xbox One. I think it's just all bean counter suit decisions. They lack the gaming wisdom/experience in Nintendo/Sony.

Even Nintendo, the mother of all proprietary and Apple wannabe, uses SD cards. Imagine Switch lacking SD cards and charging stupid amounts for more storage like Apple does. Apple can get away with it but Nintendo knows their place. If they had tried to take advantage of Switch 1's leverage to add expensive proprietary media to Switch 2. It would be like the second coming of Hitler.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Somewhat pointless posting this here, given that the response to them announcing a 1tb card was "nobody will buy that lol" and then when they announced a 2tb card the verdict was "nobody will buy that lol" but now that they've sold enough of the 1tb and then 2tb cards, I wonder how many of these they're projecting to sell. Must be quite a small subset of Xbox owners.

 

[Team Andromeda]

If you agree that the price is too high what are you complaining about? Valid criticism is now "Xbox hate"?

It's every week someone is looking to find fault or pick apart something to do with Xbox

Overlooking most of the trolls don't even own an Xbox, or how the 1TB option will be enough for most.
I would imagine this is only coming for the Die Hard and with more Call Od Duty games coming to Gamepass and so you'll need massive amounts of storage

Proprietary storage has always been hated on.

Console owners put up with it for years

The Xbox ambassador program is over you know you can stop defending everything Xbox does.

I'm not an Xbox ambassador and was banned from XboxEra for daring to call out Xbox, the irony of which is never lost on me this day LOL

I generally don't think Xbox went the way they came for storage to make money off their fans.
I have issues with the way both SONY and Xbox went this gen, but that's splitting hairs.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

You could buy an entire game library for that money

*5 full price Nintendo Switch 2 games.

 

[Topher]

Somewhat pointless posting this here, given that the response to them announcing a 1tb card was "nobody will buy that lol" and then when they announced a 2tb card the verdict was "nobody will buy that lol" but now that they've sold enough of the 1tb and then 2tb cards, I wonder how many of these they're projecting to sell. Must be quite a small subset of Xbox owners.

How many 1TB and 2TB cards were sold?

 

[BlackTron]

I would imagine this is only coming for the Die Hard and with more Call Od Duty games coming to Gamepass and so you'll need massive amounts of storage

COD is for die hards?

If you mean it's only coming for Xbox console die-hards. You are 100% correct

 

[Three]

I never saw peole bashing Xbox for it, mind or saying how much better the PS3 was over the 360
What a difference buying a few studios can make ....

I'm not sure where you're getting the dumb idea that buying studios is the reason people hate expensive proprietary storage. Maybe you think Sony went on an acquisition spree during Vita and that's why it got so much hate too? You'd be wrong but I'm sure you weren't defending Vita with this "but the 360 had shitty restrictions too" then either. It has nothing to do with buying studios.

 

[Topher]

Console owners put up with it for years

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't PS3, PSP, Xbox One, DS, 3DS, PS4, PS5, Switch and Switch 2 all used standard storage?

 

[fastest finger]

And people say PlayStation VR2 is too expensive for a console accessory.

 

[Audiophile]

You can get a 4TB PCIe4 NVMe for £205/$275 that's more than twice as fast, these parts are probably much cheaper bought in bulk for MS and I don't see why the housing should cost all that much.

$429 is madness. Absolute max should be $299.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't PS3, PSP, Xbox One, DS, 3DS, PS4, PS5, Switch and Switch 2 all used standard storage?

DS,3DS, you mean those systems where all your downloads are locked to the system and can't be transferred at all and the PSP? Really ....

I'm not sure where you're getting the dumb idea that buying studios is the reason people hate expensive proprietary storage. Maybe you think Sony went on an acquisition spree during Vita and that's why it got so much hate too? You'd be wrong but I'm sure you weren't defending Vita with this "but the 360 had shitty restrictions too" then either. It has nothing to do with buying studios.

That's when all the hate ramped up.

I wonder what thread will be on NeoGAF next week.

 

[Nonehxc]

Hahaha fuck you. 500$ for a memory stick. My Series X was 400 new from MS Store

Is this the famous Xbox Handheld console?

Because it costs like a console and you can hold it in your hand.

 

[Topher]

DS,3DS, you mean those systems where all your downloads are locked to the system and can't be transferred at all and the PSP? Really ....

The point is I can buy off the shelf, non-proprietary SD cards for the DS and 3DS. I'm not talking about transferring anything. I'm talking about using standard storage in a console.

I was mistaken about PSP. It was also proprietary, but could be used in other devices as well. Either way, marked it off my list in the post

 

[Guerilla Munch]

lmao this makes zero sense unless they planned to release this as a GTA6 drive, since it will likely be the largest game download ever

that delay really was the final nail in the coffin for xbox

 

[DeepEnigma]

I can buy off the shelf, non-proprietary SD cards for the DS and 3DS. I'm not talking about transferring anything. I'm talking about using standard storage in a console.

I was mistaken about PSP. It was also proprietary, but could be used in other devices as well. Either way, marked it off my list in the post

I bought SanDisk for my PSP. They just needed MagicGate cards which Sony licensed out to all makers which used them for digital cameras, etc.. They were much cheaper and on sale more as well.

Amazon.com: SanDisk 8GB Memory Stick Pro Duo : Electronics

Amazon.com: SanDisk 8GB Memory Stick Pro Duo : Electronics

www.amazon.com

 

[Team Andromeda]

The point is I can buy off the shelf, non-proprietary SD cards for the DS and 3DS. I'm not talking about transferring anything. I'm talking about using standard storage in a console.

I was mistaken about PSP. It was also proprietary, but could be used in other devices as well. Either way, marked it off my list in the post

The point is you were wrong and I also love the PS Vita and never had that much of an issue over its storage option. I myself was pissed with what Xbox was looking to charge for their HD in the early days of the 360

 

[Topher]

The point is you were wrong

Yes, about one item in a list of items that demonstrated that in recent years, more times than not, consoles have opted for standard storage rather than proprietary. So my overall point is not wrong. It is correct.

 

[Windle Poons]

That's ridiculous - I'll wait until there is everything must go sale which can't be that far away.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Yes, about one item in a list of items that demonstrated that in recent years, more times than not, consoles have opted for standard storage rather than proprietary. So my overall point is not wrong. It is correct.

I THINK I have said this here before so not really going out on a limb here and likely the last story I tell here as tired of the crap that surrounds it (and maybe its even public knowledge at this point)

In the prototyping stage Xbox even had a working design of using PC SSDs in some sort of slide it clip it in place design, I guess almost memory card-ish

 

[RetroGamingUK]

The hate Xbox gets on NeoGAF these days is taking the piss and all becasse they bought a few studios. I agree the asking price is too high for the storage card, so was it for the 360 HardDrive before Xbox brought out the 250Gb model

It's not just GAF.

Look at the gaming community as a whole.

Look at the console sales figures.

Microsoft, and only Microsoft, are to blame.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Yes, about one item in a list of items that demonstrated that in recent years, more times than not, consoles have opted for standard storage rather than proprietary. So my overall point is not wrong. It is correct.

And also about the 3DS and DS where you weren't able to move your game downloads. But I get it.. it's Nintendo 'They do their own thing'

 

[Topher]

And also about the 3DS and DS where you weren't able to move your game downloads. But I get it.. it's Nintendo 'They do their own thing'

How the hell am I wrong about a point I never made?

 

[delishcaek]

On one hand it's a great deal when you compare the price to other 4TB CFexpress cards (they cost over 1000€), on the other hand it's a shit deal when compared to a 2280 NVME.

I will prolly never understand why they didn't go with regular NVME drives, they could've put a 2230 in a small case and it would've been functionally the same. lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

And also about the 3DS and DS where you weren't able to move your game downloads. But I get it.. it's Nintendo 'They do their own thing'

Only one of the two has since corrected it in their current hardware designs.

Keep crying about 20+ years go.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Time to spell it the correct way again, M$?

 

[Topher]

I THINK I have said this here before so not really going out on a limb here and likely the last story I tell here as tired of the crap that surrounds it (and maybe its even public knowledge at this point)

In the prototyping stage Xbox even had a working design of using PC SSDs in some sort of slide it clip it in place design, I guess almost memory card-ish

Makes sense as that's really how SSD slots work except for screws (gasp!) and even then there are screwless designs in modern motherboards that make it even easier. Hopefully this will be the last time we seen proprietary storage in a console. knock on wood

 

[Mr Moose]

On one hand it's a great deal when you compare the price to other 4TB CFexpress cards (they cost over 1000€), on the other hand it's a shit deal when compared to a 2280 NVME.

I will prolly never understand why they didn't go with regular NVME drives, they could've put a 2230 in a small case and it would've been functionally the same. lol

That's what they did do, isn't it?

 

[Team Andromeda]

Only one of the two has since corrected it in their current hardware designs.

Keep crying about 20+ years go.

I get it... one can't have a pop at Nintendo.

How the hell am I wrong about a point I never made?

The fact that you can't download more than the system memory, even if you add a 'universal' memory card to both systems. Your 3DS dies, and all the content goes with it *rollseyes*

 

[DeepEnigma]

I get it... one can't have a pop at Nintendo.

We dog on them all the time. Same for Sony.

But it's current year about a current topic, and MS is still on the overcharging you for off the shelf pRoPrIeTaRy SSDs.

They need you in the milk bags thread.

 

[Team Andromeda]

We dog on them all the time. Same for Sony.

But it's current year about a current topic, and MS is still on the overcharging you for off the shelf pRoPrIeTaRy SSDs.

They need you in the milk bags thread.

OK, Jim

And the link to the milk bag thread just proves it all..

 

[Topher]

I get it... one can't have a pop at Nintendo.

The fact that you can't download more than the system memory, even if you add a 'universal' memory card to both systems. Your 3DS dies, and all the content goes with it *rollseyes*

Nah...I'm moving the goalposts back. Is the storage format standard? Yes? Cool.

 

[DeepEnigma]

OK, Jim

And the link to the milk bag thread just proves it all..

Yeah, how out of touch MS is.

Too bad, so sad.

 

[graywolf323]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't PS3, PSP, Xbox One, DS, 3DS, PS4, PS5, Switch and Switch 2 all used standard storage?

heck the PS2 even used standard IDE hard drives (the memory card was proprietary but I feel like that was before flash memory was more standard anyway)

 

[Codes 208]

I remember when the cards first came out and were slightly cheaper than the ssd's that the ps5 was compatible with, making them seem like a better alternative.

Aaand then the ssd's finally went down in price, by quite a bit while these memory cards didnt.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I remember when the cards first came out and were slightly cheaper than the ssd's that the ps5 was compatible with, making them seem like a better alternative.

Aaand then the ssd's finally went down in price, by quite a bit while these memory cards didnt.

When Sony finally patched in expanded storage to the firmware, the SSDs were already cheaper.

 

[sendit]

My favorite was Dark and Riky who ended their Gaf terms when the program ended... but anyways, they would say how "convenient it was to bring it over your friends and put in their Xbox and play your games," or "hot swapping between the 4 Xboxes you have in your home."

Nobody even does that shit in 2025, especially the Covid years.

Crazy that you don't play memory card swap with your friends and stick in to the back of their consoles for instant gratification.

 

[Topher]

heck the PS2 even used standard IDE hard drives (the memory card was proprietary but I feel like that was before flash memory was more standard anyway)

og Xbox had a standard hard drive as well I believe Yeah....don't recall where things were with flash memory back then.

 

[Codes 208]

When Sony finally patched in expanded storage to the firmware, the SSDs were already cheaper.

Which took…6 months to implement?

But yeah it didnt take long, so for the briefest of moments it was one of the few positives xbox had over ps5

 

[delishcaek]

That's what they did do, isn't it?

As far as I know it's a custom Type B CFexpress card with a PCIe Gen4 interface instead of Gen3. You can buy these CFexpress to M2 adapter cards that apparently work with Series consoles, but that isn't what Microsoft is selling.

There are also no 4TB 2230 drives on the market right now. Not even announced.

 

[Unknown?]

The point is I can buy off the shelf, non-proprietary SD cards for the DS and 3DS. I'm not talking about transferring anything. I'm talking about using standard storage in a console.

I was mistaken about PSP. It was also proprietary, but could be used in other devices as well. Either way, marked it off my list in the post

Memory Stick Duo and Pro Duo were invented by Sony but you didn't have to buy Sony branded sticks and it wasn't used in strictly Sony devices. Completely different from this OR the Vita.

We wouldn't consider the CD or Blue Ray a Sony proprietary medium.

 

[Topher]

As far as I know it's a custom Type B CFexpress card with a PCIe Gen4 interface instead of Gen3. You can buy these CFexpress to M2 adapter cards that apparently work with Series consoles, but that isn't what Microsoft is selling.

Those adapters will only work if you use the exact same SSD that Xbox Series use. They won't work with SSDs sold to the public.

 

[mckmas8808]

I cant believe how expensive these are!!

Microsoft must be smoking crack!!!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I remember the multitude of people defending Microsoft's proprietary solution against Sony's off the shelf solution arguing that the average gamer wasn't going to be able to do this as if it was fucking surgery...

One of the worst aging arguments in GAF history.

It's one of the biggest differences between the PS5 and XSX and a massive hidden cost.

Sony rightly determined that this isn't something that needs to be plug and play. One argument made here was that the ease of plug and play meant you could take it with you to other people's houses as if that's really a thing people do. You throw the additional storage in there once and you forget about it.

You can grab a 4TB card for 250 vs 430... that's a wild difference, but what's going on here is something people don't understand.

What Microsoft is doing is telling consumers that if you want to stay in that ecosystem the pricing moving forward is going to be at a high premium. This is called conditioning. There's no real demand for 4TB drives, so this is just a PR blunder, but it's only a blunder if you don't realize the endgoal which is again to convey to consumers the direction Microsoft is going in.

 

[LordOcidax]

$429.99.

Thanks God that deleting and redownloading is not that hard

 

[Pop]

So Xbox doesn't care about selling anything hardware related going forward

Looks like to me they want to go all in on digital front. 3rd Party Publisher Xbox is on speed run

 

[Starhowl]

Will buy this treasure once available in Germany..

 

[Topher]

Will buy this treasure once available in Germany..

Microsoft right now....

 

[Three]

I remember the multitude of people defending Microsoft's proprietary solution against Sony's off the shelf solution arguing that the average gamer wasn't going to be able to do this as if it was fucking surgery...One of the worst aging arguments in GAF history.

Even had one guy arguing with me that the xbox solution will end up cheaper. No matter how hard I tried to convince them with evidence this would not be the case I couldn't. Kept telling them in the end that there is no way the proprietary solution ends up cheaper and that MS will bend them over on price because MS have them locked in to only their product.

 

[Hudo]

$429.99

Lmao.

This whole industry can go fuck itself.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Giant rip off.

Thank god I never bit buying any of them. I remember the 1 TB card being something like $220 CDN. I'd get it back then if it was $100. But forget it. I just manage the games I got on the SSD when I need to.

10 years ago, I bought a 3 TB external HDD for $100 for X1.