DynamiteCop!
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What an absurd made up ratio.
Xbox Scarlett could be a generation forward respect the Playstation 5.
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thelastword
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They will be disappointed if Sony is more powerful, but will make the adjustment quickly and things will devolve to "2160p vs 1800p is negligible".... It's about having the most balanced console.....
DF will write articles on "does 4k really matter"?....And they will conclude that the differences are negligible at best from where you sit.. Pretty much like for like....... When a poster puts up screen shots showing bigger visual differences, they will say, "some eagle-eyed poster on gaf was able to discern a bigger disparity, we are not amused"...... Those meddling kids eh! As Richard shakes his fists in disdain.....
DynamiteCop!
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So basically Xbox fans for the first half of this generation and Sony fans for the remaining half.
Chairman Tickles
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3:1 is closer to reality (110 million vs 38 million), I was giving the Ps4 graphics mattered guy some slack.
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DynamiteCop!
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Even that's not, you're just spitting out the lowest lowball imaginary figure you can come up with.
The lowball analyst figure was 41 million over 6 months ago, and the highball figure was 39.1 million as of March of 2018.
So basically 44-47 million right now.
P.S. The PS4 is not at 110 million, it's at like 96 million, they hit 96.8 million shipped at the end of April.
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Chairman Tickles
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Which further reinforces my point that muh grafix don't matter. Didn't save the xboner x.
DynamiteCop!
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Save it from what? Some arbitrary sales milestone?
demigod
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Yeah I'm sure MS has tons of money and are willing to sell it at a much greater loss on their hardware compared to Sony. Oh wait, you folks were paying $499 premiums on both the One and One X.
Chairman Tickles
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Yep. muh console warz are in full swing.
DynamiteCop!
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I hardly noticed.
DynamiteCop!
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Loss leading with a comparatively underperforming platform doesn't make sense, it does however with getting a new one off the ground when you're trying to sway public opinion and change trajectory when it actually matters.
Xbox One is a tarnished name, anything attached to it will perform as seen; a new generation is always a wildcard, a fresh start, a manufactuers chance for a new beginning.
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demigod
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You can't say MS deep pockets and then make an excuse for why there wasn't much one.
DynamiteCop!
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Of course you can, does the loss justify itself? With the Xbox One absolutely not, it's not worth loss leading for. It's worth supporting but loss leading? No.
This doesn't apply to Scarlett, that's worth loss leading for. It's a fresh start with new games, new studios, new hardware, a new platform.
demigod
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Nope sorry, you can't, MS deep pockets.
KlickKlack
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i will buy only future proven console nextgen :
the one with HARDWARE Raytracing.
the one with HARDWARE Raytracing.
Chairman Tickles
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$499 premium? this is still dirt cheap for such a console with a UHD drive. Building this on your own would cost around $800: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-...erful-as-the-xbox-one-x-2019-edition.1473144/
lol
Imtjnotu
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Show me where we talked about graphics. I'll wait
CJY
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I too, don't give a shit about the specs anymore.
Check out this video from Linus, I want to draw special attention to the benchmarks...
Same system, but vastly different results between Linux VS. Windows.
It has always been about the software and corporate policies and it will always be about the software and corporate policies. The console hardware power battle is just propaganda in an attempt to persuade you to buy one black box over another.
We are truly reaching the point of diminishing returns with high-end gaming. I'm sick of this endless push for more resolution instead of frame rates. Sick of the drive for more realism at the expense of gameplay and new experiences.
Alas, I'll still buy either a PS5, or a nextbox, maybe both... but not because one system is more powerful than the other. That's the last thing that will be on my mind and anybody who really cares about this above all else is just an unsophisticated consumer as far as I'm concerned.
It's inevitable we will reach true photorealism in AAA games within 15-20 years. Consider the amount of time we've wasted discussing the merits of Cell BBE vs xenon or SNES vs. Genesis. In the end, it was all futile, technology marches forward and a new generation comes out that shits all over the last.
The only company doing things right for me is Nintendo in terms of games, and innovation. Until these new consoles get released, in gaming exclusively on the Switch and gonna build myself a Ryzen 3 PC.
Playing Stardew Valley and Captain Toad treasure tracker has brought joy back to gaming for me. And that's certainly a net positive. The console speculation is literally just a drag on me and I just don't enjoy it anymore. More power to those of you who do.
Farawayfromhell
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Gamernyc78
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I'm not doing shit so idk wtf your talking about lol I just sit back and see ppl make fools of themselves looking dumb trying to down play something they don't know about just because thy have fear a console they will own will be weaker than the competition. Microsoft delusional fanatics (not Microsoft fans, I said delusional fanatics) generally end up looking like asses and tend to be wrong alot spreading their nonsense. Your comment was asanine as you don't see me jumping out the window saying "Xbox will be 8tf or it won't have hardware RT" I could give two %ucks whether it does or not like some on here acting as if their honor will be lost if the competition does.
I know your trying to be edgy and cool but it doesn't work tht way. I'm not actively trying to spread bs and propoganda. Try better next time. Nor have I said anything is fact, I said "don't be surprised". Now run along with tht MisterXMedia x nonsense. Future reference if it doesn't apply let it fly.
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alabtrosMyster
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The NES was the most powerful console at release
16-bit was was hard to tell
The PS1 was arguably the most powerful console at release - it was certainly the one with the best balance of power over all, but it could be debated against the Saturn - The N64 had texture filtering, with perspective correction, but it also had serious limitations to the texture size and quantity of textures it could handle, and it came out much later in the generation
The PS2 was the most powerful console at launch (other more powerful consoles came later in the generation)
The Wii definitely wasn't the most powerful console at launch
The PS4 was the most powerful console when it launched
The PS4 PRO was the most powerful console when it launched (the X came out a year later)
I would not claim that how powerful a console is makes no difference, it's always a factor, among many others, a good example is the 3D0 was ahead of its time technically speaking - but it was priced way too high, and the library for it was limited
Farrell55
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DF allready confirmed that ps5 will use old gcn with some bits and 2 or 3 feature from navi! Why? Because they need it that way for HW BC
Once again sony will fall behind ms one generation from a technical standpoint
Farrell55
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The VW Beetle has also has outsold the Porsche 911... which is the better car...what an logic
ResilientBanana
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I can't believe it's going to be a year of gamers frothing at the mouth, hoping that that Microsoft and Sony will spill the beans before E3 2020. It's not going to happen. I do have to say, I've never seen this many "leaks" in my life which leads me to believe Youtubers are behind all of it to get more subscribers.
4:1 is to high, but not by much, if I were to guess for 2019 its somewhere in the 3:1+ range and possibly more for both the Switch and the PS4 vs. Xbox. Its basically been all downhill since 2010 if we compare platform totals.
2010: 1.02 2011: 1.03 2012: 1.09 2013: 1.53 2014: 1.73 2015: 1.93 2016: 2.07 2017: 2.39 2018: 2.59
I expect the ration to be somewhere in the 3-3.4 range for 2019, and probably blowout to 4+ range next year.
The console warz have been over for quite a few years, that doesn't mean Microsoft won't release new hardware, but those users aren't coming back and I expect the ratios to blow out even at a faster rate now. (I will note that these numbers are slightly off from Sony's official PS3 numbers but not by much like less then 1%)
The issue I see with Microsoft is they are not moving quick enough to other platforms/devices and they are putting too much into Lil Phil idea of a platform, the world has already done that many times now, imo.
Slightly off-topic so I will end it there.
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Badlucktroll
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I bet the raytracing will look different on both consoles and their will be lots of comparison articles!
Farrell55
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Yes course i think exactly the same
I guess
Ps5 use Rt only for a limited numbers of effects and a mix between most pre backed and low Number of realtime
Lockhart and Scarlett
Will use Raytracing completely trough the Bank all real time nothing pre backed
Gamernyc78
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Nobody believes your bs, MisterXMedia x trolling.
Farrell55
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Go watch their Video
and picture your own opinion Sir
Gamernyc78
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I've watched everything including the rumors that PS5 is more powerful and definitely has HW Ray Tracing and vice versa. Both these companies have been vague on many things for a reason. We won't know until they show their specs. I don't try to be presumptuous on this site or act like I know inside info I don't. The smear campaign happens every gen just like mistemedia and his followers, some of which frecuent this site and ended up looking like clowns and Schills. Some ppl don't learn
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quickwhips
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Is there a reason you refer to him as lil Phil? I've seen you do this multiple times. Is this the new M$?4:1 is to high, but not by much, if I were to guess for 2019 its somewhere in the 3:1+ range and possibly more for both the Switch and the PS4 vs. Xbox. Its basically been all downhill since 2010 if we compare platform totals.
2010: 1.02 2011: 1.03 2012: 1.09 2013: 1.53 2014: 1.73 2015: 1.93 2016: 2.07 2017: 2.39 2018: 2.59
I expect the ration to be somewhere in the 3-3.4 range for 2019, and probably blowout to 4+ range next year.
The console warz have been over for quite a few years, that doesn't mean Microsoft won't release new hardware, but those users aren't coming back and I expect the ratios to blow out even at a faster rate now. (I will note that these numbers are slightly off from Sony's official PS3 numbers but not by much like less then 1%)
The issue I see with Microsoft is they are not moving quick enough to other platforms/devices and they are putting too much into Lil Phil idea of a platform, the world has already done that many times now, imo.
Slightly off-topic so I will end it there.
In case of Turing RT cores calculate intersection of a line and triangle, which is geometry. (Also intersection with bounding volume hierarchy(BVH, aka. a bunch of cubes.).)
After intersection with polygon has been found one can find out it's location within polygon.. and start to compute ways to use it for all sorts of fun things. (Normal shader math with ALUs and textures are still sampled by TEX units.)
Raytracing and rasterization seek to find same result from different direction, an occlusion of possible primitive. (If occlusion is what is written to screen, the result is identical.)
Rasterization goes from polygon soup and fits/rotates results to screen and then rasterizes to pixels.
RT shoots ray/line through screen from pixel and tests intersection to all polygons and finds if any of them intersects the line.
Due to their nature rasterization is quite performant when having not so many polygons and single view and in opposite case ray tracing has advantage. (When using proper acceleration surface.. bruteforce raytracing without acceleration structure is idiotically slow.)
So RT is amazing tool for cases where sampling location where you sample from changes many times..
like sampling from every pixel toward different directions or do recursive sampling to follow things like light through a vase, filled with liquid.
One can do such things with rasterization, sadly changing viewpoint for every sample and rotating polygons is ridiculously slow. (Also things like clipping planes should become absolutely horrifying.)
We have DXR spec, so one can just check to see how it currently works in DX and see where it might evolve.
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He's just glad to be sitting at the big boy table with Uncle Satya at this point, as it was very apparent Uncle Satya was ready to mothball the whole thing until last year.
Lil Phil has to get services up and running or Uncle Satya will slap down hard in a few years. Lil Phil has a tough job dealing with Uncle Satya, but it sure beats flipping burgers.
Fake
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Thats a lie. Stop that astroturfing shit.
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ResilientBanana
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Prove it.
DynamiteCop!
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Statista isn't any kind of reliable website for this kind of data, they're not even a market research firm, they simply function on submitted data and build statistics graphs. Niko Partners and IHS have proven themselves as reliable producing time tested and later confirmed accurate data and while they diverge some they still land in the same general area.
Even with their data this places the Xbox One still at roughly a 2.1:1 ratio with the PlayStation 4 which has remained relatively consistent all generation. Also for 2019 the PlayStation 4 has been seeing larger declines in the US YoY than the Xbox One has relative to itself last year so I wouldn't bet on it having a great 2019 either.
Farrell55
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Then you have to buy NextBox
And the ratio continues to expand, its going to get much worse. PS4 sales should drop a few million units this year which would be normal in the cycle (Sony estimated 16m units for 2019), but I expect the ratio to expand for both Switch/PS4 by quite a bit. Xbox as a Hardware is over, they'll attempt with the whole silly Xbox as a Service Platform. They more they talk, the more sales will collapse, imo.
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DynamiteCop!
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All I'm getting from your posts is you hate Xbox and you want it to die, I mean why even beat around the bush?
"Xbox as hardware is over"
"Lil Phil"
"silly Xbox as a service"
"death slide"
"console warz" with a Z...
This is like talking to a 12 year old.
Gamernyc78
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In his defense alot of your posts are shilling for Xbox and advertisements. Just keeping it 100%
DynamiteCop!
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Defending something from hyperbole and misinformation is neither "shilling" nor "advertisements".In his defense alot of your posts are shilling for Xbox and advertisements. Just keeping it 100%
Of course, nothing speaks maturity like calling someone a 12 year old.
I would say most of Microsoft's strategy is pretty much known, its all over their website - cloud transformation. (anyone that deals with their product lines can tell you that) Your feelings can get hurt I guess, but its not going to change anything - its not personal to them.They'll release more Xbox as a Hardware but the gigs up, maybe they can get the whole Platform as a Service working but I doubt that, but to do that they basically have to destroy Xbox as a Hardware (figuratively speaking).
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Afro Republican
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as strange as the name is they have been around for years, are promintent as MWC and CES, and generally is a source of tech info for many countries in South Asia, Eastern Europe and South America.
With that said they are computers and phones and know nothing about games which makes this article strange.
DynamiteCop!
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Saying this is like talking to a 12 year old is not a basis of maturity, not on my end anyway but rather on yours. You preach in spectacle, doomsaying and hyperbole, you seek poor data, you say dumb things and coin childish terms.Of course, nothing speaks maturity like calling someone a 12 year old.
I wouldn't be surprised if in your next statement you throw in Xflop or some other derivative. Service and hardware success are not mutually exclusive, they can both thrive but as previously stated you clearly have an agenda and want to see Xbox gone so I digress.
