Farrell55
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As i said more is to come... spencer wants a big japan studio... I smell Konami or Fromsoftware
Xbox Scarlett could be a generation forward respect the Playstation 5.
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pawel86ck
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Lighting is geometry? You want to tell me if one character is build with 100x more polygons, you would need to shot more rays?
Here's a quote from a guy who has made Q2 path tracing implementation and according to him geometric complexity is not a problem.
CONTROL is a new game and it will use many RTX effects at once, yet according to people who have played E3 demo game is running with solid 60fps at 1080p, so comparable to quake 2 RTX.
Shambala
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These threads remind me of 2013 lmao. A lot of people are going to be disappointed if the PS5 is more powerful the the next box. They are trying to grasp on any lead the can get to say the xbox will have more of an edge when we barely have any info spec wise specifically regarding both consoles..
Negotiator
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Nah, M$ will bribe TSMC to keep EUV out of Sony's grubby hands!
Farrell55
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What let you believe that? It is the same cost? Or what you think?
Negotiator
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Newsflash: EUV actually makes chip manufacturing/etching cheaper compared to multi-patterning.
SonGoku
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If a node its ready to be used on a mass produced big chip it means yields are ready, thats the only thing preventing ms/sony from using it.
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Farrell55
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Maybe too expensive for sony to use from the Beginning, also on a brand new process they will have not the capacity to manufactur for both
SonGoku
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If yields are cost prohibitive for Sony they will be for MS as well
They will be better off bulding a massive chip and then shrinking when 6nm is available
Farrell55
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Bigarmsbigguns
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BLAST PROCESSING MOTHERFUCKER, sure your house will burn down, but Lara's ass is rendering at 50 000 fps on your 120 inch 8k organ liquid display!!!!!!!!!
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Angry_Megalodon
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Maybe they are also referring to VR, since very knowledgeable posters are predicting it will die out in 2 gens , XBOX will be one gen ahead with Scarlett not having any VR support, unlike PS5. Truly visionary.
SonGoku
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That prediction has more logic to it, MS could make a 80CU APU while Sony goes with 72CU
But even then i dont think MS wants to eat bigger losses to leapfrog Sony. A 1TF gap would be enough for marketing campaigns even if the practical in game difference will be subtle.
Chozofication_
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Thats cool for ms and all but I'm perfectly content with GameCube graphics and next gen games will be made with the lowest common denominator in mind.
With that said, ill believe this when I see it.
With that said, ill believe this when I see it.
baphomet
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Literally nothing you said makes any sort of logical sense.
Chozofication_
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This Shit would be like comparing bugatti to Ferrari lol. Would you really fucking complain with either?!
SonGoku
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I woulnt read to much into it, Sony wont go with an obsolete arch they have an history with AMD of going with the latest end even future tech at time of release
Sony-> GCN/RDNA hybrid
MS-> RDNA2 "next gen"
Is the new Arturus and we all know how that turned out... I challenge the work integrity of journos pushing that narrative.
Chozofication_
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I'm just saying it doesn't make one difference in the grand scheme of things even if this is true. In terms of making good looking and playing games.
I really couldn't care less, I mean the only console I'm interested in is the switch, still don't have one.
Now if one of the next gen consoles had a way better cpu, or no ssd ; that could be a problem.
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demigod
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DynamiteCop! , we need to talk, pronto.
The team at Sony HQ are pretty upset about you calling them lazy devs. I had to calm them down and let them know that it may have been misguided or unintentional wording.
They want an apology from you in the next 48 hours. In Japan, the way to apologize to big corporations is to hug a significant figure working at their company.
In your case, you'll have to hug Sony's most important asset:
And yes, he will be shirtless.
I'm beginning to think you're actually Kojima-san. Fly me to your office one day.
A.Romero
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I love all the speculation before a new gen. Fanboys can't help but show their true colors and the fact that they have no idea about the industry and how tech works.
They will be comparable and if not, it will be just because one of them is seeking a lower price and try to leverage their own cloud services. There is absolutely no reason why it one of them would willingly go for lower specs unless they are seeking lower price (like Nintendo does).
They will be comparable and if not, it will be just because one of them is seeking a lower price and try to leverage their own cloud services. There is absolutely no reason why it one of them would willingly go for lower specs unless they are seeking lower price (like Nintendo does).
TLZ
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Is he reliable?
WtfHAHAHA, where's your God now, SNOYBOYS!?
RIP IN PIECES, Nothing personell, kiddos.
gg ez game ez life
DynamiteCop!
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There are no good reasons for it to happen, you're being illogical. Literally the only instance it can happen is when not properly optimized for.
It is lazy developers case closed, the void between the systems is too large to have any other root cause to parity or inferiority.Wow... shock... a 6 TFLOPS system with higher bandwidth can outperform via brute force an older, by a year, and cheaper 4.2 TFLOPS system? Stop the presses.
The Pro is Polaris with some Vega features and its layout and CU count chosen to match PS4's GPU to make perfect BC super easy... X is a customised Southern Island core with admittedly cool enhancement and with the mandate to the the fastest system no matter what because they HAD to win the performance crown.
CPU choice, given the compatibility constraints imposed by the base systems which admittedly as an issue for Sony more than MS as there were quite a bit more PS4's out there and PS4 targeted software than Xbox One consoles (and Sony still cares about console generations, thank God), seems to be appropriate for both consoles. X has to pay a bit higher OS tax as both CPU and GPU are running behind a virtualisation later, so yes it is still a bit faster but not incredibly so.
Funny that you are projecting lack of context issues and just taking about lazy devs and ignoring any historical and business perspective around the two consoles and what their purpose on the market was when they were designed... but yeah, lazy engineers...
Yeah, the Pro launched one year earlier at a 20% lower cost, but it also hits a rendering target which is trounced by at least 80% on average, and it has less platform supported games.
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Chairman Tickles
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Generations where the most powerful console sold the most: 0
Sony might have received a good bulk SOC deal from AMD, will aim to release PS5 first, and will aim for a $399 price point. Continue the momentum of the PS4.
Muh way twacing. Like, who cares man.
Sony might have received a good bulk SOC deal from AMD, will aim to release PS5 first, and will aim for a $399 price point. Continue the momentum of the PS4.
Muh way twacing. Like, who cares man.
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Gamernyc78
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Visualizing ppl with the stupid faces after they eat their words over and over again never gets tiring and it happens consistently but ppl don't learn. Shouldn't be surprised as ppl still follow MisterXMedia dumb ass even though he ate super crow.
Ppl want Sony to fail so hard because of their weird fascination with their console of choice but guess what? Sony aren't stupid, nor do they fall back on their laurels. Don't be surprised when PS5 is more powerful or if thy are both roughly the same with PS5 also having hardware RT implementation.
Ppl want Sony to fail so hard because of their weird fascination with their console of choice but guess what? Sony aren't stupid, nor do they fall back on their laurels. Don't be surprised when PS5 is more powerful or if thy are both roughly the same with PS5 also having hardware RT implementation.
Imtjnotu
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But the ps4 sold the most
Chairman Tickles
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But the ps4 sold the most
Xboner X is the most powerful though. Ps4 pro sold the most and its not as powerful.
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LuvOfThaGame
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It goes both ways. Sony fans look just as stupid saying the same thing, like you are apparently doing. Why look down on Xbox fans for over expecting when you and many others are doing the same thing with sony?
Panajev2001a
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Who are you talking to? Why are you now switching to third party software developers?
you keep moving the goalpost here as we were talking about the architecture of the consoles themselves, but the more people you can call lazy, the better I guess.For all you know, those developers are doing super dynamic texture bound work with half floats used in 99% of the shader code thus flexing the greater texture units count and RPM support
? Even then... lazy lazy lol.... and to complete the laundry list of things loosely coupled with what we were initially taking about, Pro likely sells better WW than X too.
PS4 Pro is a product of their business targets/needs and risk management of a company inserting a mid generation device alongside their development of a full next generation jump: they were not trying to win the performance crown at all costs, a crown they were still holding at the time.
Congrats to MS for course correcting and for investing in their design, but more than Asian engineer/ laziness as you put it before we have the fact that for one company anything short of winning the performance crown was a disaster (it is key to their PR and audience).
I do not see any special wizardry over the design of the Pro once you take into account the extra 12 months of development and the $100 higher price tag and likely lower margins they were aiming at. As i said, both are well designed machines where engineers did deliver on their business objectives (which is the definition of good engineering).
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Panajev2001a
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One side may have lofty goals without shitting on everything the other has done or reading super bold prediction out of thin air I would guess. It depends also on how overboard you go about things then yeah, you would look like a fool in either case (MS leaning or Sony leaning).
DynamiteCop!
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The only game that uses RPM is Far Cry 5, that's it, and the X still destroys the Pro in it.Who are you talking to? Why are you now switching to third party software developers?
For all you know, those developers are doing super dynamic texture bound work with half floats used in 99% of the shader code thus flexing the greater texture units count and RPM support
P.S. The Pro has less TMU's.
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Panajev2001a
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... and here is your trophy
for that. Congrats the console released one year later for $100 more, and likely lower profit margins is faster... shock 
....Again, keep on staying well away from the main argument
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DynamiteCop!
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Why would I care when it launched when its got an 80% rendering surplus and more games?... and here is your trophy
...Again, keep on staying well away from the main argument
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why would I care when it launched when its got an 80% rendering surplus and more games?
You would not care if all you want to do is running victory laps and shouting "it is faster it is faster" which nobody is disputing And fill your boots with that man
.It is just when people are not as impressed and floored as you expect them to be and you start trash talking beyond winning the performance crown that either reality needs to kick in as you ought to either understand the context behind things or put your fingers in your ears and shout "what does anything else matter at all, it is faster innit?" and double down on outlandish claims.
I am also sure you can back the average 80% resolution advantage too
, but again it is beside the point. You were right on the TMU advantage, bit less so on FC5 where FP16 was only flexed on a small portion of the rendering budget comparatively.
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DynamiteCop!
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All I said is that Japanese developers need to optimize their games or not release at all and you're losing your mind. There's no acceptable situation where the X falls behind the PS4 Pro, none.You would not care if all you want to do is running victory laps and shouting "it is faster it is faster" which nobody is disputing And fill your boots with that man
It is just when people are not as impressed and floored as you expect them to be and you start trash talking beyond winning the performance crown that either reality needs to kick in as you ought to either understand the context behind things or put your fingers in your ears and shout "what does anything else matter at all, it is faster innit?"
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luca_29_bg
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Panajev2001a
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You forgot you trash talked the PS4 Pro design and called its engineers lazy then went on the slight racist bend of making that a kind of "well known fact" so to speak?
We can wonder about the scenarios and why on earth it would be acceptable to optimise for the largest and dominant platform and cases where it may also be technically based (I have not seen a scenario where someone claimed having a game using FP16 for over 50% of its shader operations and thus making that 2x processing speed advantage overcompensate the gap, beating the Xbox One X and claimed it to be practical), but again read my lips I am not disputing Xbox One X is overall faster than PS4 Pro neither is anyone else in the thread Mr. Quixote.
DynamiteCop!
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What in the holy baby jesus are you talking about son?
You keep going off into tangents, mixing things up, failing in one regard and then jumping to another. You've spun this entire conversation out of control because the reality is you never really had anything to say.
demigod
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not really in control of the entire conversation yes as I am not just talking to myself here
....
You can keep the victory with the faster console (nobody disputes that
), stay happy about that and keep the same pattern of over praising one side and shit on everything else... have context inserted in the conversation and proceed to either ignore that or attack it as it does not agree on this punching above its weight wizardry and calls things normal.
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Cleared_Hot
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This coupled with that ridiculous video Ms put out about scarlet just scream exaggeration. We will laugh at this in 6 years
Imtjnotu
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Chairman Tickles
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Before the pro came out the ps4 had already outsold the Xbox one 2:1
And now it has outsold it 4:1. so much for muh xboner x.
Imtjnotu
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Well to argue your point. Ps4was more powerful and sold more. No arguing it
Chairman Tickles
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Even if you had a point (i.e grafix matters), it bucks the trend. It would be the first time in history out of 9 generations of consoles that the most powerful console (for half the gen anyway) outsold the weaker one.
It's clear to both of us that the reason the PS4 outsold the xboner is because it simply has more and better exclusives, not because muh gwafix.
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who said that? Microsoft has tons of money, they would do anything to sell their services, even sell hardware at a loss.
btw, did sony ever confirmed that they are having hardware-based support for ray tracing?