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Xbox will no longer have permanent console exclusives going forward according to Jez Corden
Humdinger
Gold Member
That makes sense.
I'm thinking that they might delay their announcements of games coming to PS5 - rather than announce that port at the same time they announce the release date for the Xbox exclusive, they will save it for later. I say that because I think announcing the PS5 version at the Summer Games Fest the way they did kind of backfired, creating ill will among Xbox diehards and leaving no room for people to perceive it as an Xbox "exclusive" in any but a temporary sense, thereby possibly undercutting hype for their own brand. I think they will delay announcements of PS5 ports until after the game releases on Xbox/PC.
But that's just about the timing of the announcements, not the timing of the ports themselves. I think you're right that they may be testing this brief period of exclusivity to see how that performs.
Well, people have been saying Xbox is dead for the past 7 years, so why not for the next 7 ... ;p
Sony is closely identified with their exclusives. It wouldn't make financial or branding sense to dilute that by porting their exclusives to a platform that 1) is selling only about a third of what they are and whose sales are diminishing, and 2) where users have been conditioned to rent rather than buy games, 3) where multiplatform games routinely sell a tiny fraction of what they do on PS, and 4) where Microsoft takes 30% off the top. Just wouldn't make sense.
Xbox is experiencing major financial pressures and incentives that Playstation is not. It's apples and oranges.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I agree I would hate to see Sony as being the only real option for a next gen traditional console.
People can say what they want for the reasoning but you dont have to look any further than the price tag on the pro since its the only pro model on the market and its old hardware to boot
Why are people dreaming of a new xbox console generation? If nobody is buying the current one who on earth is buying the next one? Especially when it will have zero exclusive software (which the current one still has quite a few of). MS isn’t going to manufacture something that nobody wants. No business does this.
Console business model only works if you actually sell consoles to people who buy a bunch of software and subs. Since the console itself doesn’t make money. This is lucrative if you sell 100 million. Not if you sell only 20-30 million. And then encourage those to not even buy games.
There is no market for Xbox consoles anymore. It’s done. MS lost the battle with Sony and Nintendo. Truthfully it was already done after the xbone but Phil was able get in another generation and this is the result. So now their options are to try wrestling back control of PC gaming from valve. Or be content as a pure third party that pays fees to sell on other people’s platforms.
Console business model only works if you actually sell consoles to people who buy a bunch of software and subs. Since the console itself doesn’t make money. This is lucrative if you sell 100 million. Not if you sell only 20-30 million. And then encourage those to not even buy games.
There is no market for Xbox consoles anymore. It’s done. MS lost the battle with Sony and Nintendo. Truthfully it was already done after the xbone but Phil was able get in another generation and this is the result. So now their options are to try wrestling back control of PC gaming from valve. Or be content as a pure third party that pays fees to sell on other people’s platforms.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Goes along with what I said a year ago they dont want to go head to head with Sony anymore and get their asses kicked so they will be trying something different
Freeman76
Member
He is hardly ever right so I dont know why you back him with such confidence
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
It makes logical sense, Xbox hardware sales are simply never going to compete with Sony, they had their chances with with Xbox/PS4 era but completely and utterly fucked it and there was simply no chance of recovery when the majority was moving to digital or building up huge digital libraries, hell even if Xbox came out with a massively overpowered new console that destroyed the PS6 I'd still buy a PS6 due to my library of games.
What they need to do is pivot towards building a small form factor PC box for under the telly that can load up other storefronts and make the GFX card swappable, also with the money they just spunked buying all those studios there's no way they're gonna leave millions in revenue sitting on the table by not releasing on Playstation, they put up a good fight, now's the time to throw in the towel and go down another path
What they need to do is pivot towards building a small form factor PC box for under the telly that can load up other storefronts and make the GFX card swappable, also with the money they just spunked buying all those studios there's no way they're gonna leave millions in revenue sitting on the table by not releasing on Playstation, they put up a good fight, now's the time to throw in the towel and go down another path
Freeman76
Member
You want to pray this doesnt happen, Xbox is essential in the console space because without competition Sony will take the complete piss
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
They haven't had competition since the 360 days.
The dead weight leaving would make way for another as there is always 3.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Many people would have wanted to buy a Sega Neptune, but you can't buy what isn't for sale.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Begs the question who would think yeah we can take PlayStation on and what would they have to offer to make it competitive?
It already happened. MS is not competing selling 2 million consoles a year or whatever they are doing at this point. It’s a borderline dead product that is not putting pressure on anyone.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I can see Amazon,Tencent,Apple or Samsung.
Maybe someone can buy the Sega name and/or it's IP's.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Would you trust any of them to make a quality product at a good enough price that makes gamers hesitate buying it over a PS6?
I think its a scary proposition for any company looking to throw their hat into the ring with the monster that is Sony unless its something different
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Good old Lego to the rescueThe game was published by 505 on Xbox, not Sony.
"505 Games and KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS are incredibly proud to announce that DEATH STRANDING DIRECTOR’S CUT is now available on Xbox Series X|S and also LUNA+, Amazon’s Cloud Gaming platform, just in time for DEATH STRANDING’s 5 year anniversary!"
Death Stranding - From Kojima Productions and 505 Games
From legendary game creator Hideo Kojima comes an all-new, genre-defying experience.deathstrandingpc.505games.com
https://x.com/_Tom_Henderson_/statu...^1868276894975586701|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=
Badlucktroll
Member
i’ll consider it over when microsoft puts halo mcc on ps5 and switch 2
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I trusted ms multiple gens.
You don't have beat Sony just make a dent.
I think a good product with the Sega name would do this as you would get newer gamers and the older gamers could buy it for nostalgia sake.
Sony’s first party quality isn't like it was in generations past some want a alternative.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It’s literally the only reason I hope MS stays in the console game, just to keep Sony is check with their pricing, at least until someone else might step in
I think its way too late in the game for someone to jump in in time for next gen unless someone has been cooking in super secrecy
Fahdis
Member
Bro didn't realize his PS5 is an Xbox.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
Yep. We are not talking about hypotheticals here, Sony already won the Console war. The fact that Xbox is hanging on doesn't change the fact that there is no longer any competition for Sony. Anyone who wants Sony to have competition, for real, would want Xbox to exit completely to give room for someone else.
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coachmcguirk91
Member
I really think the new Steam Box console could actually present a bigger threat than Xbox did this generation. If Online is free and I can buy from the Steam store, I'll probably just buy that instead of PS6.
Plus, most games on PS Cloud are near native for me. I'll probably just use my PS5 to play PS6 games that don't come to Steam day 1
digoutyoursoul
Member
This is what I will never understand, , as if PlayStation is some galactic force no one can come up against and no one ever will.
You think about all those resources Microsoft have had , it’s clearly a people/culture problem with who’s making the decisions and spending that money.
I don’t accept that they could have not done substantially better in the console market with different people.
Sony keep it simple and do it well. They let the products do the talking.
Humdinger
Gold Member
We already know there will be an Xbox console next gen - in handheld form, at least. I'm virtually certain that there will be a more powerful Xbox console as well. I don't mean a traditional Xbox console; I mean some type of PC-Xbox hybrid or attempt at a crossover.
Here's something I posted a page or two back, where I went over several reasons why I thought there will be another Xbox generation:
I'm a PS5-only guy, so I don't really care one way or another. I just don't think it would make sense for them to pull the plug completely at the end of this gen.
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
Not to mention that Sony made plenty of mistakes. It's just that Xbox did a worse job.
The price of entry for a gaming console is not cheap, but it isn't that much for a major company. Xbox didn't fail because they had an impossible mission, Xbox failed because the wrong people were in charge and they were not serious about console gaming. So no point taking about death of consoles when there are plenty of people who can sign up once Xbox leaves.
And exactly what is the point of dangling a hardware division around, when it would be losing money? You haven't explained what the purpose would that serve, when no one does that. Microsoft didn't leave Zune or Windows Phone operating when they cut them.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
The self-implosion of Xbox should be studied. From top of the world to irrelevant cuck console in the span of about a decade.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
History would tell us that Xbox died at the end of XboxOne. The Xbox Series is just a hail-Mary play that was never going to work out. The same people making the same mistakes just couldn't change things around when they kept doing the same thing; trying to fix their software problem with more and more hardware.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I mentioned some of those reasons already. One point would be to retain the console GP user base. If you don't give them next-gen hardware, that console user base (which is the largest by far for them) is going to dry up. Another would be to keep current Xbox customers happy (those whose games and friends are on Xbox and want to continue to play there, rather than being forced to switch). A third would be to draw new users into the ecosystem by offering something different - a handheld and a PC hybrid option, for example. And it probably helps keep the brand alive in some sense. They don't necessarily have to lose money on it the way they did this gen.
Topher
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
You just don't get it do you?
The entire point is that even if Xbox defeat Playstation, the actual amount of money earned would still not be enough for Microsoft to bother. That was the real reason they are not trying anymore. And if they are not trying anymore then they would have even less reason to keep the few customers they have who couldn't pay them enough to keep the lights on.
Xbox was never your friend, they lied to you about being your friend. So accept that the buisness relationship is over and move on.
Xbox low sales is the only thing keeping the prophecy from taking place
( Well it actually already happened in a way with Portal letting you play PS5 games without PS5 but it's still coming to other devices)
IMO Sony is forced to release their games on PC because soon it will be all about the digital locker & being able to play your games anywhere
If Sony didn't release games on PC they would be at a disadvantage in the digital locker age. in the digital locker age hardware will not matter you will just buy the software & play it wherever you like but it would be pointless for people to choose to by from Sony if their licence only...
Topher
Identifies as young
Good old Lego to the rescue
https://x.com/_Tom_Henderson_/statu...^1868276894975586701|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=
Ha! A Horizon game on Xbox will not go over well, even if it is Lego, but even then we are quite a ways off from Sony putting main line PlayStation franchises on Xbox. I'll concede the point that PlayStation is following directly in Microsoft's path when I see a God of War, Astro Bot or a Ratchet and Clank running natively on a proper Xbox console.
Topher
Identifies as young
Xbox low sales is the only thing keeping the prophecy from taking place
( Well it actually already happened in a way with Portal letting you play PS5 games without PS5 but it's still coming to other devices)
IMO Sony is forced to release their games on PC because soon it will be all about the digital locker & being able to play your games anywhere
If Sony didn't release games on PC they would be at a disadvantage in the digital locker age. in the digital locker age hardware will not matter you will just buy the software & play it wherever you like but it would be pointless for people to choose to by from Sony if their licence only...www.neogaf.com
Dude.....you are at the point of taking screenshots of you taking screenshots of you.
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Wolves hunt in packs
Member
GPbox
Just took a selfie of myself playing PlayStation games on a Xbox might post next year .Dude.....you are at the point of taking screenshots of you taking screenshots of you.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I don't know where you're coming from with this, or with the insulting tone. If you approach me like a dick, expect to be treated the same.
I never mentioned Xbox "defeating" Playstation - where did you come up with that? That isn't even part of the conversation.
As for Xbox "not being my friend" as you condescendingly put it, I'm a PS5-only guy. I said this before. I don't even think you're paying attention. I don't care what happens with Xbox hardware next gen. I'm just saying I think there will be and providing reasons for it, to which you failed to respond.
You seem to lack some basic interpersonal skills. If you would drop the arrogant, know-it-all tone, you might have more success. I have adopted a policy of not responding to arrogant pricks on GAF - saves me time and energy - so I'll be bowing out of this conversation. You're welcome to the inevitable snarky last word.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Oh I bet Lego forced this I was just being sarcastic
King Dazzar
Member
This I can believe.
You're sick for even thinking of this
Moridianae
Member
Oh I bet Lego forced this I was just being sarcastic
Pretty sure they did. In another way, I thought it would have been a really unique thing if, when they revealed the Illuminate in Helldivers, they had someone press a green button which activated Xbox divers so you had both Major Update Out Now and Out Now on Xbox.
Would've been a cool way to announce it and have a positive thing to talk about, rather than how these things normally go.
Topher
Identifies as young
Oh I bet Lego forced this I was just being sarcastic
Not ready to put any faith behind a website I've never heard of on this one. Kind of surprised Tom Henderson is referencing it. Normally he has his own sources. We will see.
If it happens then yeah, I bet Lego forced it and it just shows how big Hulst's obsession with trying to make this franchise as big to everyone else as it is in his head.
dragonyeuw
Member
I can't imagine the next Xbox even moving 15 million units if they establish that basically everything of consequence is coming to PlayStation, whatever the next Switch can handle, and PC day/date. What would be the purpose of the millions upon millions in R & D in this case, unless they're intending to just produce some $700 box that can access Steam libraries and whatever else has been thrown around? I just don't think Xbox as a console brand has any leverage anymore to sell at $500 vs Playstation, or be any more relevant than dedicated gaming rigs and/or the evolving wave of PC handhelds. 'This is an Xbox' has totally destroyed already cratering confidence in their console business.
I really don't understand why they didn't wait to announce Indy on PS5 until some point next year. Let it do whatever it's going to do for gamepass and whatever sales it can garner on PC and console, then announce the PS5 port like a month before it releases. Saying 'but wait, it's coming to PS5!' several weeks ago IMO sucked anything it could have done for their own ecosystem, when very clearly the game is good enough to have been its big Christmas game and maybe even moved a few Xboxes ( for whatever that's even worth nowadays). I mean last year you could get Series X for $350. They really have said 'fuck it' to their console.
I really don't understand why they didn't wait to announce Indy on PS5 until some point next year. Let it do whatever it's going to do for gamepass and whatever sales it can garner on PC and console, then announce the PS5 port like a month before it releases. Saying 'but wait, it's coming to PS5!' several weeks ago IMO sucked anything it could have done for their own ecosystem, when very clearly the game is good enough to have been its big Christmas game and maybe even moved a few Xboxes ( for whatever that's even worth nowadays). I mean last year you could get Series X for $350. They really have said 'fuck it' to their console.
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GulfCoastZilla
Member
I just hope when Xbox shuts down they start making controllers for PS. It’s literally the only thing I like about Xbox. The Elite controller.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
This type of decision is one of the primary things that’s so detrimental to the XBOX. I understand wanting more sales for your games, but how is this beneficial to XBOX when you can get the same experience from practically any other device? IMO, XBOX is a great console, but if your games are or will eventually be on other platforms, what’s the point of your existence then?? I understand they are apparently changing XBOX to a brand unfortunately, but I ask again what’s the point of another XBOX console again with no permanent exclusives?
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
What do you mean? Like Apple getting into gaming?
Nintendo is a smaller company that will not abandon exclusives anytime soon, SNY has already embraced Windows.
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