Papa_Wisdom
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Are you my brother from another mother?(though I’ll still buy the next Xbox due to my library being there)
I miss my Saturn/Dreamcast days
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Xbox will no longer have permanent console exclusives going forward according to Jez Corden
I miss my Saturn/Dreamcast days
PhillMeCream
Member
It's mindblowing how disconnected Microsoft seems to be. If Microsoft doesn't keep the most cool exclusive titles for the Xbox platform, then what's the incentive to buy into the Xbox ecosystem? I could simply purchase a PS5 and still access all the games. I doubt anyone would buy a third-party console running Xbox OS because, at that point, you might as well build a gaming PC or buy a steam deck . The OG Xbox and the 360 had so much personality, but the last two console generations have felt completely devoid of that.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I have said this for a while but Microsoft is looking to do a soft-exit of the console market.
The main reason they don't go away completely is there are a lot of legacy players with Xbox libraries they do not want to leave behind. So they will pivot, make Xbox machines that carry the library forward, but also feature access to Steam on the PC to increase the value proposition, and then charge these customers a much bigger markup in price than the past. They do not expect to sell 50 million consoles, maybe half that or less going forward, but it keeps them relevant in hardware to a minor degree but they will no longer subsidize hardware for a loss to try and sell 80+ million consoles. It seems they have completely conceded that the console war is over.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wait Till Next Year™
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This is just "pure fanboy copium" from Jez
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Read between the lines. All consoles and pc share the same games now. Ultimate troll would be to undercut all stores that have the same content. If msrp limits competition from going below a threshold msft could sell below others.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
this image has been circulating:
and I have seen Ryan Mcofriy have a meltdown over the fact that Xbox is done with exclusives:
"it is fun to play Indiana Jones knowing is only on Xbox"
that image as simple as it is, implies that Xbox wants Xbox players to know that the game is coming to PS too. why? If Xbox is not giving up consoles, why have so little care on its own marketing?
the same happened when the "One More Thing" was the relase date for Indiana Jones for PS5. A lot of xbox people saw that as a disrespect to the fanbase. is as if Xbox is encouraging their own users to buy a PS (or anything but an Xbox console)
and I have seen Ryan Mcofriy have a meltdown over the fact that Xbox is done with exclusives:
"it is fun to play Indiana Jones knowing is only on Xbox"
that image as simple as it is, implies that Xbox wants Xbox players to know that the game is coming to PS too. why? If Xbox is not giving up consoles, why have so little care on its own marketing?
the same happened when the "One More Thing" was the relase date for Indiana Jones for PS5. A lot of xbox people saw that as a disrespect to the fanbase. is as if Xbox is encouraging their own users to buy a PS (or anything but an Xbox console)
Heaven Angel
Member
Only time will tell if this is good or bad. MS probably release their games after a period of time basically have a timed exclusives.
They have so many developers under their roof it'll be stupid to put them exclusives.
I don't want consoles to die. It's the best way to game for someone who has a busy schedule and couch gaming.
If the competition is dead for PS then we're kinda screwed.
They have so many developers under their roof it'll be stupid to put them exclusives.
I don't want consoles to die. It's the best way to game for someone who has a busy schedule and couch gaming.
If the competition is dead for PS then we're kinda screwed.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You are having a logic failure. Xbox dying does not mean consoles dying. Just as the small graveyard of failed consoles in the past doesn't stop consoles thriving up to now.
Good business thrive, bad business die. That is how it works. Xbox was bucking the trend because it was left on life support one generation longer than it had any right to, but that came to the end now. But in any case you claiming console is dead is due to your lack of knowledge in history. There was a time when there wasn't an Xbox, and there will come a time when Xbox would be replaced by someone else. Something shinny and new and with people who have the desire to do better.
Xbox dying is because of their own failures. You wanting a failure to keep operating is just loyalty that failed to see how gaming could be so much better with a new competitor steeping in, like Amazon. You want Console Gaming to stay alive? Then let fresh blood in by kicking the old fart off the stage.
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odhiex
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Funny because that tweet was only one year old.
Because this thread needs it.
Lord Malachite
Member
To my knowledge, Indiana Jones And The Great Circle is the first game Xbox announced as coming to PS5 before it even launched on Xbox or PC. They gave a "Spring 2025" release window, which is anywhere between April 1st and June 30th. So it would seem they are testing a 4 to 7 month window of Xbox/PC exclusivity before putting the game out on PS5.
Given that the numbers for one of the biggest simultaneous cross-platform release. Call Of Duty: Black Ops 6, did 75% of its sales on PS5 and the rest on PC with almost no sales on Xbox (Xbox engagement was driven almost entirely through Gamepass subscriptions), my guess is that the more a game costs to develop, the faster it'll come to PS5 and smaller titles will have a longer Xbox/PC timed exclusivity as there won't be an urgency to get sales in.
Topher
Identifies as young
Crazy stuff has happened to Xbox in just one year
Heaven Angel
Member
I'm not in the defence of MS if you're thinking in that way. Xbox has made many disastrous decisions in recent years which the brand has suffered a lot. Xbox one was their culprit on the other hand PS4 thrived which leaded to this stage where now even after so many acquisitions on hand they still don't have that confidence left but they're trying.
There should be new competition in the market, many have tried entering but couldn't find the spot among these two. If MS thinking to back out of console department and focus only on publishing then the only option left for us is Sony.
There should be atleast 1 company that could replace Xbox for a competition and for the sake of us consumers. If some newbie tried to enter this humongous market they should have proper reach and resources which can only be achieved through proper understanding and experience. This business isn't that easy then Amazon, Apple, Samsung, Nvidia, AMD, Epic and many other companies who have the knowledge would've jumped in by now. I want the console business espicially for Single Player games to thrive. Maybe it's a personal demand but I do whatever I can to support it.
Invalid GR
Member
IMO MS will return to what they believe they are the best at: leave hardware business and focus on software.
Only time will tell but I believe they think that they can become the biggest developer on PlayStation and PC.
Sony next gen will have even less competition than current gen which is unfortunate.
Only time will tell but I believe they think that they can become the biggest developer on PlayStation and PC.
Sony next gen will have even less competition than current gen which is unfortunate.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Hmm. You can look at it in two ways.
Rent your game for £15 a month with GPU and then if it’s a multi player title you can play online with your friends for that same £15 a month.
Or.
You can buy it on an another platform for £60+ and then if it’s a multiplayer game that you play online with friends, you can then pay £100 a year on top for that option if you wish.
But it’s all about choice at the end of the day.
Rent your game for £15 a month with GPU and then if it’s a multi player title you can play online with your friends for that same £15 a month.
Or.
You can buy it on an another platform for £60+ and then if it’s a multiplayer game that you play online with friends, you can then pay £100 a year on top for that option if you wish.
But it’s all about choice at the end of the day.
Little Chicken
Banned
We are all Xboxes 
demigod
Member
We are all Xboxes
Fess
Member
Okay I’ll still bite on that. Total honesty here, long post.
I’m really a Commodore refugee. And it’s been a tough life.
Been flip-flopping between platforms over 4 decades. Played on PC for a short while in late 80s and in late PS1 generation but eventually focused on consoles only.
First SNES. Fanboy.
Then PlayStation. Fanboy.
Then I got tired of being salty over exclusives and started buying all consoles around PS2 and the main platform with most usage has then changed depending on the output.
DC>PS2>360>PS3>PS4>XB1X>PS5Pro
Been maining PC and Steam since 2014.
780ti>980ti>1080ti>3070ti>4090 + 4080S living room PC.
The last couple years of console war and Xbox Series train wreck and PS5 rise to domination is mostly noise for me. Entertaining to some degree but it really doesn’t matter for me personally. I barely use consoles at all, look at my ”impressive” yearly stats…
The Xbox stats are for PC too. So there is that. Not much PC Gamepass usage either. And I started moving away from PS5 last year and made a deliberate swap from PS5 to PC early this year when building a PC for the living room, started building up a Sony library on PC. Don’t know if that makes me a ”Xbox refugee” as you say, or just someone moving away from consoles in general because they aren’t really needed if you have a PC.
And as a PC gamer you’ll see no blind praising of Sony, has nothing to do with Xbox but comes from Sony delaying everything on Steam. I absolutely hate it. Bought a Pro because I hate it. And I’d say you can expect most PC-main gamers to not go around praising Sony, the delays are incredibly tiresome, go play Indiana Jones and Stalker 2 on your new PS5 Pro now in 2024 and you get a sense of how it is. I hate waiting.
But it could be worse, could be no ports at all, so I’m still glad that Sony are doing so many ports of course, often great ones. At this point I actually have more PS games on PC than PS5 and more are coming next year so things are getting better. Just hoping for shorter delays going forward. But like I said I have a Pro if I can’t wait.
Regarding Xbox and the overall change in strategy we see now. I really don’t think Microsoft are merging the Xbox and PC platforms as well as they think themselves.
The ”This is an Xbox” ad is offensive. If my PC is an Xbox then I fully expect to regain the access to all the games I bought over the years on Xbox Live Arcade and disc games on 360 and digital on XB1X. Some kind of Xbox legacy launcher with perfect emulation, plus a way to transfer old discs into digital codes. THEN it’s an Xbox.
But if they just pull the plug on Xbox and do nothing for old users and this is just a strategy for new games then they can go to hell. Then even Google did it better, when they pulled the plug on Stadia I got refunded.
Will I be refunded for all the purchased Xbox games I can’t access on my ”This is an Xbox” PC?
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Twinblade
Member
Published by Sony.
Boss Mog
Member
That aged like fine milk. Also "hopium from fanboys"? Yeah because I'm sure PS fanboys are just sitting there praying for mediocre games to come to PS5.
Because this thread needs it.
Duchess
Member
You're not alone, mate. Myself, I was:I’m really a Commodore refugee. And it’s been a tough life.
Plus 4 --> C64 --> Amiga 500 --> Amiga 1200
We all tried to hold out for some time after that, shoving accelerator boards into the A1200, to bring it up to an 68030, and also adding 3dfx boards, all the while hoping that the AAA chipset might see the light of day, but it would probably have been too little, too late.
As for me, I finally saw the end had come around 1999, and moved over to PlayStation.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think everyone would agree that mocrosofts involvement in the console space is dying, but it's not dead.
I mean. If we can all accept there's going to be future Xbox hardware we should really avoid saying dead. Or are we going to be making that statement for the next 7 to 10 years.
Seems a bit weird to me.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You can buy SEGA hardware, today. I would hardly say SEGA hardware is alive.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
"Bury this next to Sega and the others"
- someone at Sony probably
- someone at Sony probably
Topher
Identifies as young
One of the fundamental issues with Xbox right now is that Microsoft has allowed "Xbox" to be so incredibly diluted to the point that it is a damn app on on a phone just as much as it is a console. So we can "avoid" calling it dead but it still barely clinging to life since Microsoft is determined to tell people their toaster is an Xbox.
yazenov
Member
Absolutely zero reason to own a MS console now. In fact, if you ever buy one now you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
MS (x-box) has just increased the value of the PS5, not by choice but out of desperation for survival. For the price of 1 Playstation console, you can get all the PS exclusives and Xbox exclusives (former 1st party) and all the rest of the 3rd party games. You'd be absolutely dump to purchase an Xbox now that all of their games can be played on PlayStation. PS has twice the value of the Xbox since it can play both the exclusive games.
There is no point in Xbox releasing a console ever again. Its redundant.
MS (x-box) has just increased the value of the PS5, not by choice but out of desperation for survival. For the price of 1 Playstation console, you can get all the PS exclusives and Xbox exclusives (former 1st party) and all the rest of the 3rd party games. You'd be absolutely dump to purchase an Xbox now that all of their games can be played on PlayStation. PS has twice the value of the Xbox since it can play both the exclusive games.
There is no point in Xbox releasing a console ever again. Its redundant.
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Twinblade
Member
"Death Stranding is a 2019 action game developed by Kojima Productions and originally published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. It is the first game from director Hideo Kojima and Kojima Productions after their split from Konami in 2015."
Right on wiki page. Boot up death stranding on xsx, you get Sony name too.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
"and originally published by Sony Interactive Entertainment."
Topher
Identifies as young
The game was published by 505 on Xbox, not Sony.
"505 Games and KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS are incredibly proud to announce that DEATH STRANDING DIRECTOR’S CUT is now available on Xbox Series X|S and also LUNA+, Amazon’s Cloud Gaming platform, just in time for DEATH STRANDING’s 5 year anniversary!"
Death Stranding - From Kojima Productions and 505 Games
From legendary game creator Hideo Kojima comes an all-new, genre-defying experience.
deathstrandingpc.505games.com
Twinblade
Member
Still a sony game.The game was published by 505 on Xbox, not Sony.
"505 Games and KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS are incredibly proud to announce that DEATH STRANDING DIRECTOR’S CUT is now available on Xbox Series X|S and also LUNA+, Amazon’s Cloud Gaming platform, just in time for DEATH STRANDING’s 5 year anniversary!"
Death Stranding - From Kojima Productions and 505 Games
From legendary game creator Hideo Kojima comes an all-new, genre-defying experience.
Twinblade
Member
And still showing sony name when you boot the game up on xsx. Just admit it. Sony is starting to do what Microsoft is doing.
Topher
Identifies as young
Not any more. Kojima Productions owns the IP and 505 is the publisher on Xbox. Sony gets a mention because they helped develop the game, but that's over and that's why the game is now on Xbox.
"In addition, KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS announced that the IP for this work will belong to the studio. "
『DEATH STRANDING DIRECTOR'S CUT』Xbox Series X|S版発表、いきなり配信開始。デス・ストランディングIPは今後コジプロが保有 - AUTOMATON
KOJIMA PRODUCTIONSと505 Gamesは11月7日、『DEATH STRANDING DIRECTOR'S CUT』のXbox Series X|S/PC（Microsoft Store）版を発表し、本日より配信開始した。価格は4980円。
automaton-media.com
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No it isn't,no they aren't nor do they need to like xbox is doing and does need too.
Topher
Identifies as young
When games like Astro Bot are set to come to Xbox like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is set to come to PlayStation (along with everything else if Jez is right) then you can make a claim like that. As it is, you are reaching.
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Lord Malachite
Member
I don't see a reality in which a new player will come in to take the place of Xbox. The market for gaming is not expanding, it is shrinking. We're coming into an era now where both PS5 and PC will have almost every relevant non-Nintendo game that comes out. So there is a one size fits all console for those that want to game on console, and there is PC for those that prefer to game on PC but still want access to first party PlayStation games.
Meanwhile, there's Nintendo off dabbing in the corner doing its own thing. But the IPs it owns are evergreen and the hardware it puts out every seven years is cheap enough that the majority of gamers won't mind having a Nintendo system for the handful of things they can't play on either PS5 or PC.
It's possible we may see a player like Valve come in and try to create a console-like experience which might appeal to gamers who prefer to play on PC but don't have a home where they can comfortably hook it up to large television. Still, I see the audience for that as limited. At the end of the day, what will keep most PlayStation gamers on PlayStation is their library. Libraries that are constantly growing for many through services like PS+ in addition to whatever they might buy. If you're a PS gamer, you can't take your library over to PC and for many that would be a deal breaker. So until a large number of people are willing to flush generations worth of games down the toiler, Sony will continue to occupy the space as the console leader.
For a new player to come in, they'd have to offer something that is not only cheaper than PS hardware, but objectively better, with cheaper games that look and play better and can't be had on PS. This is a proposition that would cost billions and isn't even guaranteed to work. There aren't many companies that can afford that risk, and the handful that good can probably envision a lot of better things to invest in than a pig in a poke.
Sony running effectively unopposed may not be the best thing for gamers. Or possibly even for Sony itself. But it is the reality we are entering.
Fess
Member
Yeah I too held out for a long time but in mid 90s I bought a SNES and started the console journey.
Still have an Amiga 1200 plugged into the same screen as my 4090 PC though. Modded with DVI out and a 4GB compact flash drive and accelerator. I’ve ripped all important floppies with a KryoFlyx ripper. And I have a full size The C64 plugged in as well. And a Raspberry Pi 400 Pimiga. And a couple spare old C64 and C128 in the attic as backup if everything else fails.
Commodore
Twinblade
Member
Give it time.
Pandawan
Member
Microsoft is too spoiled by their monopoly on Windows and servers, so they are like the reverse Midas hand - they turn everything they touch into shit.
Microsoft bought Nokia - ruined Nokia
Microsoft bought Skype - who even remembers Skype at this point
Microsoft invented Windows Phone - died a few years later
Now it's XBOX's turn to feel the Shitdas touch
TheGodfather07
Member
How will it even happen? Xbox as a traditional console won't be a thing and porting to Nintendo won't be possible either because of how weak the specs are in comparison. Also didn't that hiroki guy mention he was talking about PC? That's where sony will be looking to expand. I have no idea where xbox fans come up with some of this shit. Like think for once. Why the hell would sony port games to the dying rival brand? What incentive is there to do that? Xbox fans are so deluded and ignorant, it's like they live in an alternate universe.
skit_data
Member
Interesting. I'm not the biggest Bungie fan but I'm interested to see what this supposed "gummy bears" project is about. I assume this is what you're reffering to?
SneakersSO
Member
I believe Gummy Bears was an old mobile project they were working on that was ultimately cancelled. Could be mistaken.
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I think Capcom is on the verge of a buyout more than anything.
Astray
Member
Can you elaborate on what these hurdles may be? Are they hurdles facing PC gaming as a whole, or are they something that Microsoft specifically has to face in its attempt to grow on there?
Not to mention that Xbox as a platform is not profitable currently and hasn't been since at least the XB360 days!
If you're spending more money to create more hardware that keeps selling less, at some point an email from Satya WILL come in telling you to find a different business plan.
It's basically going to be the same decisionmaking that past Zenimax or ActiBlizz boards would make. But now more monolithic and with %100 less context and public info behind it.
I knew that was the point of that specific part of the restructure.
Mr Moose
Member
Good, I hope we never hear a release date.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Definitely not. Capcom is on the verge of being the best publisher in the industry. Their stock is near an all time high and has seen considerable growth over the past 5 years. It would be cashing out way too early, especially when their upcoming games(MHW, RE9, Onimusha) have yet to release. On the top of my head, I can't think of a more efficient publisher than Capcom
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