Amazeballs
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In terms of pure processing power it's not, IRRC, but unlike the gamecube it supports modern shaders which makes games look much better. The only thing we know about the new one is that it's powerful enough to support HTML5.
Xenoblade announced for New 3DS
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In terms of pure processing power it's not, IRRC, but unlike the gamecube it supports modern shaders which makes games look much better. The only thing we know about the new one is that it's powerful enough to support HTML5.
GBC was 9 years later and had significantly improved hardware (Source). DSi is the only relevant comparison, and even then Xenoblade port seems considerably more high profile than the DSi exclusives.
Peripherals are not the same in principle - cost is the biggest factor here. I don't know why you're trying to downplay this point.
What Nintendo did in the past doesn't make what they're doing now expected nor should people happily accept it.
That no one has to make because, hey, no one's forcing you.
The 3DS couldn't handle Xenoblade. This New 3DS can. If you want handheld Xenoblade, you buy the New 3DS. If you don't, then you don't buy it. No one needs to get mad at this. The old 3DS doesn't stop existing the moment this is released.
DSiware? Gameboy Color only games?
They don't have to happily accept it. But past precedent absolutely shapes expectations.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Will double dip to show support.
It is Xenoblade after all.
It is Xenoblade after all.
Well, every single DSi Ware game for a start.
But also a handful of retail games (like Face Training) have been exclusive to the DSi. However, the reason there was no meaningful amount of retail games that have been exclusive is the same reason why the New 3DS won't get a huge amount of bigger exclusives: No developer in his right mind is going to pass on the huge existing userbase in favor of a much, much smaller one. We're going to see a few exclusive games, but I very much doubt that any of those will be what we'd consider "huge".
KojiKnight
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And past precedent is exactly why certain people's expectations/fears in this thread are largely unwarranted.
I want to buy the game for the hardware I have, I can't because they want to sell a 3DS to people who will eat this shit up and it upsets me.
Poor business decisions shouldn't be something to expect was what I tried to point out.
You can't buy the game for the hardware you have because the hardware you have isn't powerful enough.
If you really think your line of thought is reasonable, then please move on and enjoy the bitterness.
I was talking about in-between systems in general, not the New 3DS specifically. I'm also not mad about Xenoblade at all and very much understand why it's exclusive - however, I also understand why many people generally dislike revisions like the New 3DS.
KojiKnight
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Missed the memo where they said they couldn't port the game to the currently existing hardware? Doing the math, the new main processor on the new 3ds will be 50% faster at a minimum (due to the 3DS multiplier on it's components).
The_Darkest_Red
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This is the major issue. There is an expectation that when you buy a piece of Nintendo hardware you will be able to play the games that come out for that system, particularly all of the major retail games. Sure, there are a few small exceptions and gray areas like DSiWare and those crappy DSi games that used the camera but this feels like something far more significant and substantial, and therefore troubling.
I used to always feel confident buying a piece of Nintendo hardware. I knew revisions would come with minor changes and I even bought some of them, but this is the first time I feel like they have really betrayed my trust.
That said, I'm mostly concerned about a precedent that may never manifest itself in the way I am imagining. Let's hope that's the case and it's no big deal.
$300 is a lot to ask for a baby step improvement on something I already $200 for less than a year ago, but fair enough if you think that's fine.
No, I believe not putting it on Wii U and making it exclusive to a revision is purely a business decision to milk their fanbase even further. A scummy one at that.
Who on Earth is asking for half steps, and when has dividing your install base with them ever ended well?
A Nintendo system isn't going out of the spotlight - I've been wanting it to for about a year now and that's exactly the problem. This is not a new system. It's a 3DS with an overclocked processor.
I don't care about Xenoblade on 3DS and wouldn't buy it if it was. Releasing any major exclusive game on a hardware reiteration is still gross though and this port in particular probably means the game won't be coming to the system people actually want it on. Because they want those people to buy this shitty new model.
If you buy a revision just to play one port, joke's on you.
Then make a new handheld successor, not this stop gap bullshit.
Seeing as though there is only one game announced for the new 3DS so far, what other reasons would there be to upgrade? A built in Circle Pad Pro? Faster OS navigation?
ScreenSplitter
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Never thought I'd see the equivalent of "This app does not support your iOS device" on a Nintendo system.
I honestly don't understand these people, though. This is the world we live in. Technological stuff is bound to become obsolete at one point or another.
Apple has released three new iPhone models since I bought mine and I still enjoy the 4S perfectly well. I may miss on one or two games, but I'm not bothered by the fact that some people have superior hardware. I don't get pissed off that my iPhone isn't the best one out there.
It really does feel like these guys think they need to buy the new hardware... And that isn't true at all. I'm pretty sure this New 3DS will only get two or three exclusive games, and not one of them will shatter the Earth.
I see. Well, it's coming eventually. You'll just have to wait.
Gotdatmoney
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They are going the Apple route. I understand the frustration people have with it but the landscape is evolving and Nintendo is trying to evolve with it. Plus this at least means the cost of entry can be lowered which I think is a good thing. Kids and parents don't give a shit about Xenoblade and if that is more the type of software coming to the new 3DS I don't see this as a huge deal. Upgrade and sell if its a huge issue.
The_Darkest_Red
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Bingo. If this was the true successor to the 3DS I'd actually be excited instead of pissed off.
KojiKnight
Member
To be fair, you could always just wait till the next handheld successor. Past experience implies that '4ds' or whatever it will be called will be compatible with it.
See above.
I think you have somewhat of a point, but so does the other side.
We're talking about $170 for a slight CPU boost. You're right that Nintendo isn't forcing anyone to buy this. I think people are little upset that Nintendo isn't just making a 4ds and releasing a Xenoblade, and other exclusive games for that. Because then it would be easier to justify a purchase. That seems pretty reasonable to me. I'm not really in the group that is upset about it, but I do find the decision to fragment software and hardware an odd choice in 2014. Especially after Nintendo JUST said they need to be more integrated in regards to software and hardware.
Edit: I noticed you used the iPhone example. I don't find that to be the best analogy. iPhones are typically expected every year around the same time. Most people know they're buying a phone that will succeeded in a year. And also, each iPhone model is a substantial upgrade from the last. Furthermore, the previous iPhone can always upgrade to the newest software and take part in almost everything the new iPhone can besides hardware exclusive features. Exclusive apps are EXTREMELY rare in iOS, and typically aren't made by Apple themselves either.
Nintendo is really doing itself no favors. SMH.
I mean that's kind of the problem. I don't really want to buy a revision to play just one port. The additions to the New 3DS aren't invalidating having an old 3ds. It's the games that will do that and when you say some 3ds games don't work on the 3ds you have that's the problem. I'd have to buy a new 3ds just to play some 3ds games that I'd want. Which goes against the fact that I bought a 3ds in the first place to play all 3ds games.
Exactly. I didn't upgrade to the DSi, I stayed with my DS fat and when it finally broke down I moved to DS lite. I don't ever feel pressured to upgrade something unless I feel that it's worth it. In this case I actually do like all the improvements made to the new 3DS and I feel it's worth it.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Okay Brazil I am going to help you out here.
A new iPhone comes out every September.
However, just because there is a new model doesn't make your older model obsolete
in any way. For instance Bioshock just released on the app store and is still compatible with a iPhone 3GS a phone almost 5 years old.
iOS 7 still works on a Iphone 4.
The iPhone and smartphones in general are in the unique position of being a product that aids you in your day to day life. Upgrades are ways of streamlining your work and daily activities.
Game systems are nothing like that at all. They don't even begin to occupy the same mindshare.
A new iPhone comes out every September.
However, just because there is a new model doesn't make your older model obsolete
in any way. For instance Bioshock just released on the app store and is still compatible with a iPhone 3GS a phone almost 5 years old.
iOS 7 still works on a Iphone 4.
The iPhone and smartphones in general are in the unique position of being a product that aids you in your day to day life. Upgrades are ways of streamlining your work and daily activities.
Game systems are nothing like that at all. They don't even begin to occupy the same mindshare.
Yep. It's the wrong way to go.
In Nintendo's defense they got to make profit at this point (I know they're still wallowing in their warchest). Making 4DS at this point may cut into their profit projection a bit too deep.
Linkstrikesback
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Well, you can virtually guarentee that the actual 3DS successor will support a gen of backwards compatability, so just pretend this is a game for that system when it comes out in a few years, if it hurts your feelings so much.
That is irrelevant if your 3DS couldn't run the games on the first place.
efyu_lemonardo
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Maybe it is coming to Wii U, why would they announce both version when one would overshadow the other?
Besides, you're missing the much more important bigger picture. This isn't about one game running on an improved 3DS. Nintendo are also probably experimenting here with the idea of having games with size and scope that is more common for them to make on a console available on handhelds, in order to gauge the market in preparation for their next generation of devices. This is something they've done quite often in the past with their handhelds, either through revisions, half-steps or hardware attachments.
It's part of the reason why half-steps have been a good idea (financially) for the company many times in the past.
So you're just arguing about this on principle? Support Xenoblade X and other Wii U games if you want to send a constructive message to Nintendo..
Oh yeah I totally agree. I think it's too early for a 3DS successor.
The_Darkest_Red
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For you guys who own a PS4, Xbox One, or Wii U: Would you be okay with an iteration of any of those systems that has slightly improved specs and features games that are not available on the original versions of the platform?
To me handheld gaming consoles are still... gaming consoles. They follow a set of rules that goes back decades. There are small exceptions here and there but nothing to this degree that I can think of.
To me handheld gaming consoles are still... gaming consoles. They follow a set of rules that goes back decades. There are small exceptions here and there but nothing to this degree that I can think of.
Love Deterrence
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WHOA! WHAT?! (I'm late to this party, but damn, great news.)
Yeah, but that's what makes it so frustrating. Knowing that there're a few games you'd like to play, but at the same time not enough of them to really convince you of upgrading. KojiKnight is making a great point about the 3DS's eventual successor, though.
That and a perfect Monster Hunter player.
So is that going to be the excuse they put out for every New 3ds game? We couldn't get it running on the original 3ds(we did'nt try) so please buy this slightly better 3ds.
At that point why not just make a new system if you're going to start making games that you're current system can't handle?
HolyBaikal
Banned
Oh...
Well, would it at least be more powerful than the Gamecube? Maybe somewhere between the Gamecube and Wii?
Either way, Xenoblade Chronicles was a pretty demanding game on the Wii. So the fact that they're able to do it on a new handheld that's still kind of like the old one is kind of amazing.
Well, maybe not that amazing I guess because the Tegra K1 would be more powerful than the Wii. But it's pretty nice from Nintendo.