poipoipoi9
Member
Beast mode training is Debt Cleanup.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Yakuza 0 |OT| Yes, you can start with this one!
- Thread starter IrishNinja
- Start date
Beast mode training is Debt Cleanup.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
Just finished the game yesterday, did every substories, 87 hours! Freaking loved it, the best i did!
i played yakuza 4 (this one was nice since there was a whole explanation of the first 3 games, like 20 minutes each) and 5 thanks to sales this holiday
As for me, Majima is the best! Kiryu is too much emotionless in my tastes (he's better in 0 since he's still young and didn't have as much shit in is life yet), but i still like him
i played yakuza 4 (this one was nice since there was a whole explanation of the first 3 games, like 20 minutes each) and 5 thanks to sales this holiday
As for me, Majima is the best! Kiryu is too much emotionless in my tastes (he's better in 0 since he's still young and didn't have as much shit in is life yet), but i still like him
SuperSaiyanAkuma
Banned
Trying to go for platinum, got legendary difficulty to go... but this 100% completion is killing me! Pushing my grind patience to the limit.
But the game is so fantastic, I want to do it for Goro Majima.
But the game is so fantastic, I want to do it for Goro Majima.
D
Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
Wow. Thanks for the reply. I didn't realise they were remaking Yakuza 1. It can't wait. It feels like I'm getting a sequel to a ridiculously huge game within a couple months of its release. Crazy.
It's not really a hard question for me.
Kiryu > Goda > Kazama > Nishikiyama > Akiyama > Majima
One of my biggest complaints with the game was
I didn't really feel like as I was playing as Majima, Just a more mellow and sarcastic Kiryu. If that was the case I'd rather have played as Kazuma the whole game.
Nightengale
Member
Finished Yakuza 0 at 75 hours, with around 65% completion. Most sub-stories done with exception of telephone dating quest & dance-related final bosses. (Isobe & Ogita)
As a whole, I would say this is the 2nd best Yakuza game for me, only barely behind the obvious favourite Yakuza 2. And Yakuza 0 had plenty of opportunities to surpass Yakuza 2 for me if not for shortfalls in what I felt are some unsatisfactory character arcs.
To me, Yakuza 0 really shines at its core, with its overarching story of the Empty Lot, that very excellent weaves a well-paced two-pronged story about grit, struggle and money between Kiryu and Majima respectively.
That excellent core is amplified, and realised by what I feel is probably the best newly introduced side-character ensemble cast of them all. I loved every one of the new characters. Kuze, Awano and Shibusawa are the best antagonists for the series since 2, and everyone from Lee, Makoto, Tachibana, Sagawa, etc were all very well-realised and characters that I was attached to.
Where it falls short, imo, are the character arcs for some of these characters. They're interesting, well-written and fits their place in the story, but their personal arcs are cut-short, abrupt, or feels like their place in the grand story ended before it began. To me, where this was most apparent was with Majima's story.
Based on how they framed the dialogue, it's clear that the place of characters like
were meant to be [Yakuza 0 full game spoiler]
There's pros and cons for sure. What we got was more realistic (to an extent) and less romanticist, but the series and game is already chock full of romanticized yakuza sense of life and brotherhood that if you're having that kind of arc, do it properly.
Kiryu's side of the side-characters are better realised, but Majima's story was more personal and interesting, so there's a weird balancing thing there.
As a whole, I would say this is the 2nd best Yakuza game for me, only barely behind the obvious favourite Yakuza 2. And Yakuza 0 had plenty of opportunities to surpass Yakuza 2 for me if not for shortfalls in what I felt are some unsatisfactory character arcs.
To me, Yakuza 0 really shines at its core, with its overarching story of the Empty Lot, that very excellent weaves a well-paced two-pronged story about grit, struggle and money between Kiryu and Majima respectively.
That excellent core is amplified, and realised by what I feel is probably the best newly introduced side-character ensemble cast of them all. I loved every one of the new characters. Kuze, Awano and Shibusawa are the best antagonists for the series since 2, and everyone from Lee, Makoto, Tachibana, Sagawa, etc were all very well-realised and characters that I was attached to.
Where it falls short, imo, are the character arcs for some of these characters. They're interesting, well-written and fits their place in the story, but their personal arcs are cut-short, abrupt, or feels like their place in the grand story ended before it began. To me, where this was most apparent was with Majima's story.
Based on how they framed the dialogue, it's clear that the place of characters like
Nishitani
a look into the window of different people in Majima's life that eventually influence him to be a wilder, less hinged person, but Nishitani getting killed off at the prison really sold the relationship and potential character arc short. Ideally I would have loved to see the arc of them wrecking havoc together at the Benten Inn together, have more bromantic moments before Nishitani sacrificed himself for Majima, instead of the colder, harsher death.
There's pros and cons for sure. What we got was more realistic (to an extent) and less romanticist, but the series and game is already chock full of romanticized yakuza sense of life and brotherhood that if you're having that kind of arc, do it properly.
Kiryu's side of the side-characters are better realised, but Majima's story was more personal and interesting, so there's a weird balancing thing there.
Nightengale
Member
About 2/3rds through the game, it dawned on me that Yakuza 0 was not , either by choice or the writing team inability, a game about Kiryu and Majima's origin story about their legendary pre-Yakuza 1 days.
It's about a story before even that, where it justifies
and puts into place the seeds about how a Yakuza 0 Majima could genuinely, eventually become the Mad Dog of Shimano. But it's not about a story about that change or even that time of Majima's life, it's a story that setups that change... but leaves the real transformation to our imaginations orz
That story is left for the
character outcome montage halfway through credits lol
I tried this method, but was only getting occasional strikes. Tried experimenting a tad with going all the way right or left and actually managed to do it (On like the fifth 10 frame game of the evening) by moving the ball all the way left, using the heaviest ball, aiming as far right as possible, as much power as possible and putting maximum spin to the left. Maybe I just got lucky with this method, but my god the relief.
Thanks for the help Rymuth. Got me on the right track at least
Just keep in mind that the remake is essentially an elaborate DLC expansion pack. The project was greenlit because Yakuza Zero contains like 90% of Yakuza 1's asset pool and locations, so it's a cheap project that doesn't have a lot of "sequel-y" stuff compared to zero even though it is still a fully featured game with the original story and sidequests.
Son Of Sparda
Member
That's just a reference/foreshadowing to Kiwami. You'll get to see how
they first meet
Young Magus
Junior Member
You're welcome ^^ At least you got it, haha.I tried this method, but was only getting occasional strikes. Tried experimenting a tad with going all the way right or left and actually managed to do it (On like the fifth 10 frame game of the evening) by moving the ball all the way left, using the heaviest ball, aiming as far right as possible, as much power as possible and putting maximum spin to the left. Maybe I just got lucky with this method, but my god the relief.
Thanks for the help Rymuth. Got me on the right track at least
The trick is for the ball to go into the pins diagonally. Once you 'envision' that, it doesn't matter what method or presets you use
matrix-cat
Member
This story has just been punching me in the gut over and over. I'm up to the beginning of Chapter 15 now, going to finish it off tomorrow. This is definitely right up there with Yakuza 2. I've loved every Yakuza game to varying degrees (not so much Dead Souls, but it did have its moments), but 2 and 0 are just another league entirely. I absolutely cannot wait to see how it all ends.
Nightengale
Member
That's not the 2.0?
2.0 is bought from the black market dealer you need to get the password for?
Oh that guy. Yes, now that makes a lot more sense
matrix-cat
Member
Seeing the familiar cities in a different time period, and hearing all this stuff about Kazama's glory days, has me really hankering for a Yakuza set in the '60s with a younger Kazama as the protagonist. Seeing the legend in action, way before he ever met Kiryu; sort of like Yakuza's version of MGS3. Now that they're finished with Kiryu after 6, I think that'd be a really cool setting for the next game.
Yakuza 3 spoilers:
Yakuza 3 spoilers:
His secret identical twin doesn't need to be involved
Nightengale
Member
Seeing the familiar cities in a different time period, and hearing all this stuff about Kazama's glory days, has me really hankering for a Yakuza set in the '60s with a younger Kazama as the protagonist. Seeing the legend in action, way before he ever met Kiryu; sort of like Yakuza's version of MGS3. Now that they're finished with Kiryu after 6, I think that'd be a really cool setting for the next game.
Yakuza 3 spoilers:His secret identical twin doesn't need to be involved
I know the lore always had it, but that was actually something I found to be a bit annoying in Y0 lol, was that there was too much Kazama worship or pedestal placing whenever he's brought up.
Even if it was a key motivation for the Three Lieutenants, They laid it a bit too thick imo.
Ultimadrago
Member
Does that not make sense in the grand scope of the series? Yakuza 0 has me thinking he's a pretty big fuckin' deal.
I eyeball their general direction with the odd dodge if they're very far. As Kiryu, I'm usually in Beast Mode and he actually has a node which allows him to block bullets in defense stance, so I use that a lot.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Yeah, that's the only way. There is also a very useful ability in Beast style that lets you take the bullets as long as you are in heat mode.
lucebuce12
Member
He is a big player in Kiwami, but after that Kiryu himself does so much shit that he pretty much replaces Kazama in terms of "God to the Yakuza" status.
Also you can dodge bullets in Rush mode by holding down L1. It's such a
Rush
Ultimadrago
Member
Aah, okay. I could certainly see the narrative running into that. Talking anime/manga, numerous combat shonen run into that very issue quite often. lol
We do not talk about that. I refuse to believe that happened.Seeing the familiar cities in a different time period, and hearing all this stuff about Kazama's glory days, has me really hankering for a Yakuza set in the '60s with a younger Kazama as the protagonist. Seeing the legend in action, way before he ever met Kiryu; sort of like Yakuza's version of MGS3. Now that they're finished with Kiryu after 6, I think that'd be a really cool setting for the next game.
Yakuza 3 spoilers:His secret identical twin doesn't need to be involved
Gotcha, I mostly just like to try them out and keep one I like for when im in a pinch. Ie. Mr shakes
CrichtonKicks
Member
According to the Business section of the menu there are still 2 properties I haven't purchased in the Leisure King area- both are actual stores (Poppo and Sushi place) that also happen to have Friendship events tied to them. Is there supposed to be a way to buy these properties? Or is it an indicator of a bonus that comes from finishing the 2 substories in those locations?
lucebuce12
Member
They need to retcon the
"identical twin"
The substory is just talking to them for the first time and starting the friendship gauge, then the substory is completed.
You need to finish the friendship gauge for that place and they'll automatically give you the property once you talk to them for the first time after filling the gauge. Different places have different requirements.
Ultimadrago
Member
They'd be bonuses for completing the Friendship Substories.
Nightengale
Member
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, just that the implementation could be toned down a little in terms of some of the praise and worship given to him and still not lose the impact.
I would say the same for [Chapter 11 Y0 spoiler]
Nishitani's death. It could be a little less melodramatic and still be as impactful. That scene got ramped up to eleven unnecessarily to the point the pauses and lack/slowness of reaction felt weird just for the sake of delivering the full speech and getting a few more bullets.
Kiryu is pretty much a living legend in Yakuzaverse by the end of 2.
lucebuce12
Member
He's a living legend by the start of 2
Why do think the main antagonist had a huge hate-boner for himHe's a living legend by the start of 2
lucebuce12
Member
*sigh* Ryuji Goda, you magnificent bastard. I seriously hope they announce a Yakuza 2 remaster.Why do think the main antagonist had a huge hate-boner for him
Ultimadrago
Member
I see what you mean and agree on both of those fronts in that case.
Nightengale
Member
A rewritten and improved Yakuza 3 could go a looooong way.
The whole local yakuza/orphanage drama element should've been the stronger core focus. With better gameplay loop it could be a calmer, but still fun take on the story.
Dirtyshubb
Member
I felt like that at first but then switching back to majima after starting your businesses was like going from winning the lottery every 10 minutes to being on benefits.
RiderKairuu
Member
I love Majima as a character, but using him is only fun when using the
. Kiryu with the Quick Change item is just too much fun. Oh you wanna block my Rush mode? Here, let me switch mid combo to my Beast style, grab you, then swing you around while hitting everyone around us!
4th style
lucebuce12
Member
If you remove BURACK MUNDAY and the SHEE-I-A from the story, and replaced it with something more
It has everything.
A starting sequence/chapter that's so down to earth that you can't help but feel for the characters, a lovely little city setting with FANTASTIC characters that you just can't help but like, an AWESOME main villain in the form of Mine (who you'll notice has a belief system that runs pretty much opposite to Kiryu and what he's trying to teach his kids), a compelling reason to go to Kamurocho and lots of character and fun situations with Rikiya, and in general a compelling story and narrative.
Nightengale
Member
Yeah, to me, when I look at the slate of the praises given to Kazama in Y0, hearing [full game spoiler]
Tachibana go lyrical on Kazama's genius and how it all plays out according to his script
Whereas I think it really, really worked when [full game spoiler]
Shibusawa and Acting 2nd Chairman were the one who brought it up. Shibusawa was full-on salty with Kazama envy and it makes sense to talk that way because of how invested he is in taking Kazama down. 2nd Chairman also brought it up in context to after 1 billion was offered for Kiryu's safety, so it ties back well.
The Artisan
Member
the music that starts playing when Marina show up in that
substory, lol
kid's porno magazine vending machine
Nightengale
Member
Yeah, those two elements feel really forced in the sense that... it felt like something had to be there to match the scale from Y1 and Y2, which went places, despite the fact that Y3 is a smaller and more personal story in the first place.
Admiral Woofington
Member
which sidestory do you have to do to get the item that lets you see encounters in the map?
I want to do that one so I can fight Mr Shakedown more often without wasting time running around the map if he's not there.
I want to do that one so I can fight Mr Shakedown more often without wasting time running around the map if he's not there.
Nightengale
Member
Which Chapter are you at?
For Kiryu you can only get it at around Chapter 5, after you're introduced to that mini-game.
For Majima, there is this dude wearing a jacket near the bridge...
Admiral Woofington
Member
chpt 10
Nightengale
Member
You need to complete 3 side-story for Kiryu to unlock Encounter Finder.
1. Producer
2. Music Video Shooting
After that somewhere near Taihei Boulevard will trigger random NPCs that will trigger Substory 12. Go to Maharaja to finish that substory.
CHOOSE THE BLACK BOX.