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She used a match
Sorry for the derailment, but...
I suspected this of being false, but at worst it seems to be non-news.
Um... The Safar Center is real, its founder was a very well-respectived University of Pittsburgh researcher in resuscitation (CPR, heart attacks, etc.),and they published a paper detailing experiments on inducing suspended animation in dogs by circulating salt water through their veins back in 1999.Naked Shuriken said:
I suspected this of being false, but at worst it seems to be non-news.
BobbyRobby
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rape =/= murder
bionic77 said:I thought this thread was going to be about the Patriots.
:lol
Should she have done it? Nope. Do I give a shit? Nope. Fuck him...he got what he deserved. She should get punished, but hopefully it's the lightest punishment they've got available...maybe a $500 fine for starting a fire in a public street.
The biggest disgrace is that this guy was able to take a three day break from jail without supervision...that's just ridiculous.
I have zero sympathy for asshats like this, you commit a crime and a berieved love one of whomever you hurt/killed gets vengeance on you then really you get whats coming. I don't care how harsh the revenge is, the simple fact is that if the initial crime didn't occur nothing would have happened, voilence begets more voilence until true justice is served.
There's a couple of films I've seen in the last couple years that have scenes like this - in butterfly effect for example, ashton kutchers character beats a man to death, in the context of the film the individual deserved every bit of that beating and I honestly think that such a crime as that , getting revenge to that degree should go unpunished.
For instance, last summer some asshole through a 12 volt battery through my rear windsheild, and it was completly destroyed, as far as I'm concerend if I'd caught them doing and and beaten them to death , I should get off with no charges. They provoked it and no matter what I did , if they'd simply not done it nothing would have happened to them. Nothing will change my mind on this.
There's a couple of films I've seen in the last couple years that have scenes like this - in butterfly effect for example, ashton kutchers character beats a man to death, in the context of the film the individual deserved every bit of that beating and I honestly think that such a crime as that , getting revenge to that degree should go unpunished.
For instance, last summer some asshole through a 12 volt battery through my rear windsheild, and it was completly destroyed, as far as I'm concerend if I'd caught them doing and and beaten them to death , I should get off with no charges. They provoked it and no matter what I did , if they'd simply not done it nothing would have happened to them. Nothing will change my mind on this.
ScientificNinja
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Personally I don't believe in the whole 'rehabilitation, re-education' schtick with the prison system. Sure, I can deal with petty crimes borne from poverty, but sick shit like rape just shouldn't be shown any mercy. I can't for the life of me understand why we should tolerate subsidising the continued existence of people who are PROVEN to be sick fucks who'll stab us, shoot us, kill us for money, steal our organs, bury us alive or violently fuck our moms, wives, sisters and daughters before mutilating or killing them when an opportune moment arises.
Give the mom a medal for making the world a safer place and doing what the lawmakers don't have the balls to do.
Give the mom a medal for making the world a safer place and doing what the lawmakers don't have the balls to do.
Pachinko said:
Dude, that's a bit extreme. I can handle, and even entertain (but not necessarily agree with), the notions of violent reprisal present in this thread. But you honestly believe that someone deserves to be beaten to death for smashing your windshield? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but that strikes me as quite insane. Beaten up, sure, I can get down with that (if you caught them in the act), but death? Nah...
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karasu said:
um. you think this mother had the physical strength to 'beat the fuck out of him' ?
i think you are being quite hypocritical.
BobbyRobby
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:lol What the hell?
None of the people congratulating the mother in this thread are fit to be superheroes or vigilantes.
Alcibiades
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vigilante justice may seem wrong, but I'd say legal government "justice" for rapists that eventually let them out at all is worse...
My 2 cents, fuck this rapist. He deserved to die, he obiviously didn't have any remorse for his actions as he was taunting the mother.
Her daughter's life is ruined now, too bad this dude died as surviving third degree burns is supposed to be the most agonizing thing ever.
I think people's opinions will change if they imagine something like this happening to their gf, sister, mother or whoever else that's close to them.
Her daughter's life is ruined now, too bad this dude died as surviving third degree burns is supposed to be the most agonizing thing ever.
I think people's opinions will change if they imagine something like this happening to their gf, sister, mother or whoever else that's close to them.
Shinobi said:
Yeah, except that he didn't say anything about two kids sitting in the back...
Besides which, obviously that would make it worse (with the possibility of the kids being hit by glass and all), but it would take at least a very serious injury to one's child for me to think that "beating someone to death" was something other than insane. Kids get hit by glass, but they're just nicked up a bit-- so you kill someone? I don't think that's right at all. Besides which-- and again-- he said nothing about children being involved.
Having kids (two daughters, age 2 and, um, 0.2) has really changed my perspective on this kind of stuff. I think about their safety a lot, and how I would react if I knew someone had violated them this way. If someone raped Natalie and taunted me to my face about it.....I just don't know how I would react. I do know that the thought fills me with more hostile rage than I've ever felt before, and could easily translate to violence.
I have none - zero - sympathy for this guy. And I can relate to the blind rage that can make a parent lash out at a person that harms their child. Does not make it right by the law to do so, of course and there will be consequences. But the "temporaty insanity" defence is a legit one - it's like parents are hardwired to protect their children and just *snap* when this happens.
It's like the whole "don't come between a momma bear and her cub" thing, because the bear will go ballistic. I really believe that humans have the same protective instincts in our DNA, and can go into a "blind rage" when our children are put in harms way. The law calls it temporary insanity. Call it whatever, but if you violate my child and then stand in front of me I can't promise I won't tear your fucking throat out.
I have none - zero - sympathy for this guy. And I can relate to the blind rage that can make a parent lash out at a person that harms their child. Does not make it right by the law to do so, of course and there will be consequences. But the "temporaty insanity" defence is a legit one - it's like parents are hardwired to protect their children and just *snap* when this happens.
It's like the whole "don't come between a momma bear and her cub" thing, because the bear will go ballistic. I really believe that humans have the same protective instincts in our DNA, and can go into a "blind rage" when our children are put in harms way. The law calls it temporary insanity. Call it whatever, but if you violate my child and then stand in front of me I can't promise I won't tear your fucking throat out.
radioheadrule83
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GhaleonEB said:
I agree. You can't expect so much of human emotion that there would be no reaction. I think a great many people would have lashed out. A few might have even done worse than set the guy on fire. If people want satisfaction though and take the law into their own hands though, they are most definately at the mercy of the law. Understand that believing he shouldn't have been killed is not the same as having sympathy for him.
Do we know if the story is BS now or not?
teiresias said:
Raping a girl, getting out on a three day pass and being tasteless to your victim's relatives == Ordering a Holy War on the American people and being directly responsible for the death of thousands
And someone, somewhere, would shake his hand and say "job well done". I'm sure that the people around him say it all the time. There are people on that side of his cause.. that's the only way an attack like that could have ever been made possible.
Who, barreing clinically insane, mentally and emotionally defective pedo-rapists, could possibly display such a blind degenerative disorder of the brain -- actually seek out the common rapist, shake his hands and say "job well done"? Talk about exaggeration.
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BTW, decrying something because it's manslaughter doesn't make you some kind of rapist sympathising, justice hating, fucking braindead misogynist. I don't really care enough to spend too much time on this thread, I'll be honest, but I'm neither as gung-ho nor as blase about death as some people here:
To me, stealing life is simply unjustifiable.
‪ Sometimes people have to be taken down for the greater good, because they pose an immediate threat to others. I have nothing against saving lives.
‪‪ If we think about the death penalty - I oppose that - countries without it have impressively low crime rates, and I personally believe death is too good for many criminals. The threat of death doesn't scare a criminal that is fundamentally dysfunctional, historically barbaric and ready-made mindfucked... I don't think it achieves anything for the victims necessarily either, other than adding a morbid footnote to the whole misfortune. Only sometimes would it offer comfort or satisfaction, and even then it could be temporary. The ordeal still happened.
‪ If we wanna talk something a little more attuned to current affairs - there's stealing life on the battlefield and the civilian casualty that goes with it... War is war. When we fail to the extent that it breaks out somewhere, death on a grand scale can't be avoided.
Here's my beef with vigilante / honour killings: if you live in a land that is blessed with peace, freedom and the protection of the law -- and you decide you're a law unto yourself and end somebody's life? For any reason? I believe that you should expect to be excommunicated from that society just as any other criminal. You're not abiding by the rules? Zero tolerance. Get out because there are perfectly good underpriviledged people that want in. Lest we forget that what we're talking about here is a person prosecuted and convicted for past crimes, being torched for a verbal gross indecency. Something which might at best see you locked up for breaking the peace, or under the thumb of a restraining order. The law of the land was not good enough... in this story, she was the law! Purely to satisfy a (somewhat understandable but) uncondonable murderous desire for revenge.
There may only be one life. Killing such a man as this takes away any opportunity for him to be forced to live with what he's done and find either remorse or misery in solitude... He would have died anyway, by whatever means, having left no mark of happiness on this Earth. If men like this get out early, that isn't a further malicious assault on victims created of their own design.. it's a failing of society.
If feelings run strongly about it, it should be addressed. If it isn't addressed: if it doesn't happen.. if it isn't happening -- maybe it's because with most people -- until it's their daughter that gets raped, they are largely apathetic and prefer to keep their venemous, all powerful and morally righteous judicial spirit caged in the cosy confines of a message board thread or a bit of small talk with family/friends.
If you think anyone should have the right to end another's life I honestly believe that you're living by the sword. Preaching hate and death should beget it. I'm not a practicing Christian, nobody in my family is. We're merely born into a local parish by tradition. I don't even know what I believe in.. but I do know I have a very good understanding of my own personal morals. I pray that there is a God, and seven layers of fucking damnation below where those who preach hate and death spend eternity with a few of the people they thought 'deserved' to die.
UltraMarioMan
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Murder is wrong no matter what the reason. She deserves at least to be charged with 2nd Degree Murder. In movies and comic books vigilanties are fine. Its fantasy. Such things have no place in the real world. I feel sorry for the daughter, not only was she raped, due to her mothers actions she may be without her for a while.
radioheadrule83 said:
I agree with what you are saying. In addtion to having two kids (one really recent), my mother died two months ago. Last week, a the husband of a friend of my wife's died in a plane crash, leaving her and three young daughters behind. The reality of death - the devastation it has on those left behind, not to mention the person killed - has been weighing on me lately.
I don't justify killing people like this....but I entirely understand the rage to do so. I don't want to sound condecending, but if you don't have children (not sure if you do or not), then I think this is hard to understand. I certainly had a different viewpoint before my daughters were born. Children do bring about a fundamental shift in priorities - they sit at the top, no matter what. The love, hope and energy spent taking care of them becomes a huge focus of who you are as a person. To have someone violate the person you have devoted so much to....DOES something to you.
Bluecondor
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These kinds of cases are always interesting from a morality versus ethics standpoint. From a morality standpoint, it is easy to sympathize with how this woman's experiences with this guy and the pain he caused her daughter (not to mention his cavalier attitude toward her) would stir up rage and a desire for retribution. This woman is clearly acting to defend her daughter and punish someone who harmed her.
At the same time, you can take virtually any ethical standard (justice, utilitarianism, universality) and make a clear and cogent argument that we would be collectively worse off if we lived in a society where people freely took justice into their own hands. Can you imagine if we lived in a society where people were free to set fire to people who had wronged their relatives.
Bottom line - we can empathize with her and understand that she acted from a deep sense of hurt and anger. But - the way she went about doing this is unacceptable and cannot be condoned. If people were allowed to exact revenge this way, society would be worse off from all of the collateral damage that would result from these random acts of revenge. She has to be held accountable for her actions.
At the same time, you can take virtually any ethical standard (justice, utilitarianism, universality) and make a clear and cogent argument that we would be collectively worse off if we lived in a society where people freely took justice into their own hands. Can you imagine if we lived in a society where people were free to set fire to people who had wronged their relatives.
Bottom line - we can empathize with her and understand that she acted from a deep sense of hurt and anger. But - the way she went about doing this is unacceptable and cannot be condoned. If people were allowed to exact revenge this way, society would be worse off from all of the collateral damage that would result from these random acts of revenge. She has to be held accountable for her actions.
Bluecondor
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iapetus said:
Agreed - and this would definitely be one of the worst costs involved in such a society - that people could be harmed on the grounds that someone thought they were exacting vengeance.
DarienA said:
needs to be quoted again. absolute truth. i have seen such behavior first hand. a little woman, about 5 feet tall, turned into a complete beast, and i doubt even tyson would have faced her at that moment.
i know karasu is trying to 'break things down' and 'think in a calm and rational manner' but that's exactly what makes us human. we act on emotions, a lot. only the degree differs, and to a wronged mother...forget about it.
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