Topher
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Yoshinori Kitase: 'Final Fantasy VII Rebirth' sales don't disappoint but they can't be exclusive to a single console anymore
You can put just about any statement you want after "some people" and it will probably be true.
Fabieter
Member
They had two shitty recived entrys before they released VII REMAKE, 16 and rebirth. It takes some time to recover from that.
Fbh
Member
Good, timed exclusivities suck.
And it sounds like neither Square nor Sony were getting what they wanted out of this extended exclusivity deal. Seems like Square expected higher sales despite limiting some of their biggest games to a single platform, while Sony must have figured out by now that Square games just aren't the system sellers they once were.
Personally I hope they go all in on multiplatform and fully embrace the Switch 2. Maybe having to work around the technical limitations of the Switch 3 will allow them to make games that focus more on design and gameplay than graphics, and it should also help ensure they run well on Ps5/SX unlike Rebirth and FXVI.
And it sounds like neither Square nor Sony were getting what they wanted out of this extended exclusivity deal. Seems like Square expected higher sales despite limiting some of their biggest games to a single platform, while Sony must have figured out by now that Square games just aren't the system sellers they once were.
Personally I hope they go all in on multiplatform and fully embrace the Switch 2. Maybe having to work around the technical limitations of the Switch 3 will allow them to make games that focus more on design and gameplay than graphics, and it should also help ensure they run well on Ps5/SX unlike Rebirth and FXVI.
chromatic9
Member
With the new Switch coming it's time to lean into that for SE.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
The game is beautiful but the gameplay is kind of boring
Synless
Member
Dude, Doom and Doom Eternal came to the original switch.
Any game can come to any system with enough graphics tweaking.
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I think it's more the fact that SE made the decision to go exclusive and people didn’t learn to live with that. They were lecturing them more on this than anything else. Blaming things on the exclusivity when it isn't even the issue. How many people blame Hellblade 2 poor performance on exclusivity? How many blamed timed exclusivity for Indiana Jones, Hifi Rush, and countless other games that didn't do amazing numbers without a PS release? Nobody really because that's not the narrative people are pushing. It only seems to come from one side mainly. For popular games too. Games that chart higher than the ones they say nothing about.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah. Remake and especially rebirth is dipping too much in the timelines crap.
The original is goated for a reason. Everyone just wanted to re experience it. Not a universe travel bs sequel
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Those 5 sales on Xbox and switch will really make the difference
vaibhavpisal
Member
How much do you think gta 5 sold on xbox?
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Way more than any FF game ever would.
vaibhavpisal
Member
FF team tends to aim high.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they are aiming for COD/ GTA nos and are getting disappointed constantly.
I do feel Elden Ring level sales potential FF has. Once they will make a game as good as that, sales will come on all platforms.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
They’d be lucky if the sales from other platforms even covers the marketing that Sony was footing the bill for.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Elden Ring is one of the best selling games of all time at 30 million copies. I just don't see Final Fantasy doing that kind of business unless they completely change their approach to game design.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Why do you think a must play title, lauded by everyone will be ignored by xbox playerbase.
Switch 2 is not even worth discussing. Japan sales alone of that version will eclipse total PS sales.
If this is what they're aiming for then that's the issue. These guys had lofty expectations for Deus Ex and Tomb Raider too then sold them both. They weren't even exclusive to be blaming it on that. Well, a Tomb Raider was xbox one timed exclusive but nobody was blaming the sales disappointment/collapse of that IP on their MS partnership at the time but on their 'unrealistic expectations'.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Luckily they are on the path of recovery now.
For the same reason Metaphor mainly was too. There are different audiences. Question is why do you think xbox is being ignored by Square Enix then? The exclusivity period is over and it's not coming to xbox.
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Topher
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TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
Hopefully this means a Day 1 release on PC for the final part.
Giallo Corsa
Member
They should apply the "press right stick to lock-on", "press O/B to dodge roll", the "you can fight only one enemy at a time due to the shitty lock on" and obtuse lore via item description to Final Fantasy = instant success
Pretty much like what most RPGs are doing nowadays, amirite?
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
What Xbox game not on gamepass sells well? Especially Japanese FF type games.
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Orbital2060
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You cant really afford to be locked to a single platform anymore, as a 3p developer/publisher. You want to reach beyond the traditional console install base, and be on as many devices as possible. (Consoles, PC, Cloud on day 1). Thats why Sega are doing so great now, because they have implemented a new policy of global publishing day 1 and on as many platforms as possible day 1.
People talking about no customers on Xbox and Switch are living in the past, good luck with that. You have to build that marketplace, and keep the doors open with new releases so people get used to it.
Its pretty obvious now, that future FFs will be day 1 on all consoles and PC, and its going to be for the better for the IP. Thats all that matters, yet some will cry rivers about it.
Both Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin have underperformed and sold (way) less than expected, with Shift-Up saying that the PS5 hasn't seen the same level of penetration and activation as PS4, and the main consumer base for AAA games has been shifting to PCs. And they expect to sell more on PC than on the PS5. Its going to sell quite a few copies on Xbox, as well. A good thing for the developer, and for the IP.
Thats the state of the market; you cant really afford to be exclusive to one platform.
People talking about no customers on Xbox and Switch are living in the past, good luck with that. You have to build that marketplace, and keep the doors open with new releases so people get used to it.
Its pretty obvious now, that future FFs will be day 1 on all consoles and PC, and its going to be for the better for the IP. Thats all that matters, yet some will cry rivers about it.
Both Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin have underperformed and sold (way) less than expected, with Shift-Up saying that the PS5 hasn't seen the same level of penetration and activation as PS4, and the main consumer base for AAA games has been shifting to PCs. And they expect to sell more on PC than on the PS5. Its going to sell quite a few copies on Xbox, as well. A good thing for the developer, and for the IP.
Thats the state of the market; you cant really afford to be exclusive to one platform.
Hayabusabruh
Member
Don't they say something like monthly? They will release a new FF, it will be PlayStation console exclusive, there will be a Gaming event where it's rumored to be announced for Xbox and it will be for Steam. Rinse and repeat.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Jinzo Prime
Member
Elden Ring is so successful because FromSoft built thier reputation up for years by releasing great game after great game. ER is just a more accessible Dark Souls with a popular authors name taped to it.
proandrad
Member
Don’t lock-on fight multiple enemies at once. EZ.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Agreed they need to release it on PC day one when the momentum is still high.
I’m talking about comments in this thread, and the context is clearly the underperformance of Square Enix franchises where they’ve pushed exclusivity.
Feel free to open your own thread to lament about the other narrative you’re citing.
There’s a certain level of silliness when you conflate exclusivity of first party published games with exclusivity of third party games. Because we all know you know the difference.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I'd go as far to say that Switch 2 should be the lead platform for Final Fantasy going forward.
The people who scope, plan and forecast profitability of most games seem to think Xbox releases are relevant.
I think that’s a more credible data point than your unsourced claims.
We’ll know when Xbox support completely tails off.
Remake runs on base PS4, and Rebirth isn’t far off, tech wise.
They’ll for sure port all the games to Switch 2. Not even a guess at this point…it’s a near certainty.
I don't need to open another thread but the people "lecturing" even in this thread are those suggesting SE are righting a wrong.
No there isn't when it's the same "studio choice" and you can lecture them on those choices but again there are third party examples in Tomb Raider, Dead rising and countless other timed exclusives.
…because Square Enix are a third party publisher, with a declining franchise. It’s also an easier claim when Square Enix themselves echo the exact same sentiment.
First party studios have other considerations outside raw sales, including benefit on hardware sales and subscriptions.
Tomb Raider and Dead Rising deals are around a decade ago. It’s telling that the next Tomb Raider game was fully multiplatform after that.
Most third party games are not exclusive to a single platform, for that exact same reason.
gooner4life_uk
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Sony don't money hat because people buy less games these days, subscription services make a lot of people wait, if you wan't to sell your game it needs to release on PlayStation.
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Topher
Identifies as young
It was the 8th best selling Xbox game for the month it launched on.
That's fair, but doesn't explain why it didn't crack the top 50 in players. Strange.
Not me
lol....not my words.
simpatico
Member
aka they're disappointed by their exclusivity decision.
I'd love to see what metrics a publisher like CDPR use to determine profitability of the console port of a game like Cyberpunk 2077. Curious what they're left with after factoring in all the port time, patching time, disc engineering, ecosystem integration etc. I wonder just how profitable it is vs only dropping the Steam version. Imagine if that game launched on PC only. Entire narrative around it is different. I think we're close to a point where console ports will be looked at as risky.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Metaphor isnt a good example.
A more appropriate example would be Elden Ring, Monster Hunter World.
These titles are approaching mainstream appeal. They did well on Xbox.
I am assuming SE is aiming to make something like that instead of Metaphor.
So what happens with the third party examples in Tomb raider and dead rising? Scorn, the ascent... Countless others. Did their shit sales result in people blaming timed exclusivity and the devs stupidity? Yet people are trying to suggest stupidity missing massive sales on a dying xbox platform.
they decided to become first party and sell less with financial backing from a platform holder. Some even went financially kaput and shut down. Yet you don't see similarities in "poor choices".
No shit but we're talking about the "lecturing" on exclusivity leading to poor sales that never really happened.
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Sebastian1295
Member
The problem isn't the game being exclusive. The problem is that they've abandoned what made the series 'final fantasy' by shifting it towards an action game with dark stories which are boring as fuck and lame. Compare the stories, worlds, and characters of past final fantasy to ff15 and ff16 and you'll see that it's no contest.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Lots of bad takes ITT. In current industry conditions, here are the facts:
- Platform differences are at an all time low
- More devs are using existing large game engines to create their games (that support multiple target platforms)
- Individual console userbases are no longer growing at the rate they used to
- Development budgets are skyrocketing due to meet the perceived needs of AAA game technical quality standards
When you look at this, we are seeing increased cost of overall game development, decreased growth in margins, less effort (and cost) to port to another platform, and less benefit to take a sweetheart exclusivity deal from both the publisher and the platform owner.
Third party exclusivity can still make sense for smaller games or those who wish to further partner with the platform owner. It might also make sense depending on the details of the deals that are made. It’s clear Square went with timed exclusivity for Rebirth, for less time than Remake (probably to avoid burning those who bought Remake on PC by making them wait so long).
- Platform differences are at an all time low
- More devs are using existing large game engines to create their games (that support multiple target platforms)
- Individual console userbases are no longer growing at the rate they used to
- Development budgets are skyrocketing due to meet the perceived needs of AAA game technical quality standards
When you look at this, we are seeing increased cost of overall game development, decreased growth in margins, less effort (and cost) to port to another platform, and less benefit to take a sweetheart exclusivity deal from both the publisher and the platform owner.
Third party exclusivity can still make sense for smaller games or those who wish to further partner with the platform owner. It might also make sense depending on the details of the deals that are made. It’s clear Square went with timed exclusivity for Rebirth, for less time than Remake (probably to avoid burning those who bought Remake on PC by making them wait so long).
asdasdasdbb
Member
I still believe that was because when the deal was signed that Square thought the Switch 2 would launch by mid 2024.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Modern FF stinks. Might have something to do with the sales numbers.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
Hopefully yes but Sony might still have a deal with them for part 3. Maybe we can expect FF17 to be multiplat right off the bat.