Support NeoGAF

[Yerd]

I don't know why you guys listen to this dumb shit.

I mean, she's not wrong. A lot of gamers out there are emotionally stunted, one-dimensional people. It really is the ultimate escapist hobby after all.

Then again, we don't owe anyone a living. We pay to be entertained, not to be preached to or endorse your trendy ideology. Sell me a product I want and I'll buy it. Otherwise shut up.

If those are the people that buy games, why do they refuse to make games they want?

We don't have enough toddlers drinking beer. We should make beer for toddlers. Nevermind the current market. We need to tap into this new group that doesn't like it, doesn't buy it, doesn't want it, doesn't need it, can't even drink it.

 

[Bodom78]

She is just butt hurt that her character is so ugly... Like her personality.

 

[GHound]

That's definitely going to change my mind.

 

[lmimmfn]

More gaslighting, we gamers are the problem, not shit games.

Fuck off!!!

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Is it so hard to just have some basic character choices or creator? You can keep your story/traits and all that, hell even the look and more. When you look at the character creator for Cyberpunk or similar does it really affect the story or gameplay that much? Nope. There's no need to push a specific character at gamers. It's a different medium we enjoy inserting ourselves into.

Ubisoft games get boring during the 2nd or 3rd act for me so I avoid them, it has nothing to do with the gender of your character.

 

[kiphalfton]

She is just butt hurt that her character is so ugly... Like her personality.

Reasonably attractive female turns out to be a bitch.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Yes, the gaming industry has problems.
But I don't know of any industry that has so much hate for it's consumer base.
And it's not just one game and a few devs. Every week some studio or dev comes out attacking gamers.

I never saw Coca-cola viciously attacking consumers for not buying New-Coke. Or Ford, or Macdonalds, or Nike, or any other company.
Only in the gaming industry do we see the people making games, insulting their own clients, on a regular basis.

Wrong. It happens in Hollywood too.

 

[Raven117]

I didn’t buy the game because it didn’t look interesting enough to me. Not really a stealth fan. Also, heard the story was middling.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a female lead.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Correct. She doesn't say all gamers are misogynist. She says, and I quote:

"Yes, to be a leading woman not just in a Star Wars story but in the video game industry, which also tends to have a lot of limitations and misogyny and kind of in-and-out politics of who can be a part of it and who you want to play as.”

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. To start with, it's too vague. In what regard is the industry misogynist? A vast number of games now have women front and centre and it's been this way for a while. We can say that some gamers are misogynist, but that's not the industry as a whole.

Yeah, it's complicated. And the way the video games tends to look and operate differs wildly depending on if you're talking about the people actually working in it, or the enthusiasts. The industry itself, I'd argue, is far cattier and less-accepting of people who don't fit an image than the fans are... despite how random forum/social media vitriol might make it look.

 

[Neolombax]

I think people didn't buy the game because its boring? I didn't buy it because it didn't have lightsabers or proper space combat. Couldn't care less about the gender of the main character.

 

[Fess]

I just find it incredible, brave and amazing that she managed to have time to put out this statement between making her husband’s dinner and cleaning the washing machine filter.

Surprise!

 

[CherryFalls]

Surprise!

 

[Hyet]

I don't think we should take this claims too seriously, clearly the preassure of being the first woman ever in a videogame got to her. The industry just needs time adjusting, and, hey, maybe next time the devs get her face right!

 

[IDKFA]

I remember back around 2013, it came out that the developers of The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite had to fight to get their lead female characters on the game box. Ellie ended up on the cover and Elizabeth ended up on the back cover. Execs at the time didn't think gamers would buy a game with a girl/woman on the box cover. They were wrong, of course, but even that attitude doesn't come across as misogynistic to me. It was a misread of the customer base, for sure, but it wasn't rooted in hatred of women. Needless to say, the current industry is far removed from that idea as well. I don't agree with her statement, to be frank. The word "misogyny" just seems like a buzzword at this point with the way it's being used.

I don't believe that. Women have been on the covers of games well before TloU and Bioshock.

Also, do developers even have a say on the cover art? Isn't that down to the publisher's marketing team?

 

[laynelane]

I don't believe that. Women have been on the covers of games well before TloU and Bioshock.

Also, do developers even have a say on the cover art? Isn't that down to the publisher's marketing team?

Naughty Dog fought to get Ellie a starring role on The Last of Us cover - MCV/DEVELOP

The creative director of The Last of Us has admitted that the studio has come under pressure to relegate the game's female lead Ellie to the background of the

mcvuk.com

Naughty Dog Fought For Ellie's Placement On The Last Of Us Box

The box art for The Last Of Us features protagonist Ellie very prominently. According to Ashley Johnson, who voices the young character, there was some push back against that idea...

www.alistdaily.com

After doing some research, I was mistaken about Bioshock Infinite. It appears it was the developer who went with the eventual box art. He didn't think gamers would be interested if it didn't have a dude holding a gun.

Ken Levine Explains BioShock Infinite's Bland Box Art

What's up with BioShock Infinite's box art? Here's the answer.

www.wired.com

 

[IDKFA]

Naughty Dog fought to get Ellie a starring role on The Last of Us cover - MCV/DEVELOP

The creative director of The Last of Us has admitted that the studio has come under pressure to relegate the game's female lead Ellie to the background of the

mcvuk.com

Naughty Dog Fought For Ellie's Placement On The Last Of Us Box

The box art for The Last Of Us features protagonist Ellie very prominently. According to Ashley Johnson, who voices the young character, there was some push back against that idea...

www.alistdaily.com

After doing some research, I was mistaken about Bioshock Infinite. It appears it was the developer who went with the eventual box art. He didn't think gamers would be interested if it didn't have a dude holding a gun.

Ken Levine Explains BioShock Infinite's Bland Box Art

What's up with BioShock Infinite's box art? Here's the answer.

www.wired.com

"I know I’ve been in discussions where we’ve been asked to push Ellie to the back and everyone at Naughty Dog just flat-out refused.”

That doesn't sound like a fight. It sounds like somebody suggested putting Joel, the main player protagonist, front and center. ND disagreed, probably explained their rationale and got what they wanted.

Not exactly a case of misogyny.

 

[Fahdis]

you know there are many many reasons why someone might not buy a starwars game other than "herp derp not playing a girl, girls are icky yuck". I am a huge stawars fan been a huge fan of starwars since I was 10 years old. However whilst I am a huge starwars fan I am NOT a Ubisoft fan. I like my PC way too much to install anything from that festering piece of shit publisher called Ubisoft. Just for the record I have no problem with playing female characters all my Mass Effect playthroughs are femshep and where I can if I can create a custom character I always create female characters. I mainly do this because I like strong female characters and totally NOT because if I am gonna be staring at a virtual arse onscreen for hours on end it is gonna be a damn female one, honest really,

 

[laynelane]

"I know I’ve been in discussions where we’ve been asked to push Ellie to the back and everyone at Naughty Dog just flat-out refused.”

That doesn't sound like a fight. It sounds like somebody suggested putting Joel, the main player protagonist, front and center. ND disagreed, probably explained their rationale and got what they wanted.

Not exactly a case of misogyny.

My initial point was that the resistance to putting Ellie on the cover (in the placement the devs wanted her to be) was that it wasn't rooted in misogyny. It was a misread of the customer base who actually had no problem with it. The same goes for Bioshock Infinite. The assumption that gamers wouldn't accept a female character on the cover/placed prominently on the cover was incorrect.

 

[SJRB]

 

[GymWolf]

Her looking like an hobgoblin in cinematics is really the last problem of the game (she is also flat as a surfboard), i could fill a book with all the mongoloid game design choices.

Lando look like a ps3 character btw, massive really is shit with human faces in general, avatar and division were the same.

 

[GymWolf]

I dont think she would make much on OnlyFans

 

[FewRope]

>Release a piece of shit of a game

>Blame misogynist gamers

Man, I wish I was a Ubi dev so I can blame everything but the company culture

 

[mansoor1980]

I dont think she would make much on OnlyFans

 

[FewRope]

I mean, she's not wrong. A lot of gamers out there are emotionally stunted, one-dimensional people. It really is the ultimate escapist hobby after all.

Then again, we don't owe anyone a living. We pay to be entertained, not to be preached to or endorse your trendy ideology. Sell me a product I want and I'll buy it. Otherwise shut up.

She is not wrong, but the criticism against the game go beyond the weird crusade against her ingame model, the game is legit dogshit

 

[darth.shrimp]

and you guys still buy their games

That's the neat thing: I don't!

 

[winjer]

Wrong. It happens in Hollywood too.

Yeah, that is another industry that came to hate it's audience.
And now we get turd after turd.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

Reloading the banhammer

 

[BigBeauford]

The irony of the actress probably signing off on the uglification of her character is just too much

Nailed it!

 

[stn]

Personally, I'm waiting for a very deep sale to buy the game. I see no point in paying full price for a title that's been scoring around 7/10, and is made by Ubisoft.

 

[Zacfoldor]

How long until they sell Ubisoft to MS so they can mine the IP and close all the studios?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'll take the bag. At least I can tape on anyone's face.