You can only eat one type of food: Animal foods vs Plant foods. What do you choose?
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AlteredForms
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Animal foods. Meat has always been a staple in the diets of many civilisations and empires. And it tastes good.
Makoto-Yuki
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plant. fuck anyone who supports killing animals and the destruction of our planet.
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You are aware your own ancestors hunted and killed animals for food for many, many years. If they didn't, you might not be here today. So, you know, hunting and killing animals for their associated produce has always been, and always will be, the key to survival.
Daneel Elijah
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The one with cheese. So animal food?
June
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Seasoning might be an issue for the animal-exclusive diet
I just said that because I assume it would be very unhealthy to not be able to drink water at all and essentially only drink cow milk all the time (?)
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Makoto-Yuki
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yeah i'm aware thanks but it's not 1922 or 1822 anymore. times change.
incase you hadn't noticed the planet is heating up and everyone is at risk. killing animals and eating meat is not good for us anymore.
poppabk
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I couldn't live off of just meat, eggs, fish and cheese for ever. A plant diet is much more expansive - pasta, pesto, pancakes, potatoes, gnocchi, donuts, cookies, pizza, bread. I'll suffer through the fake meat for access to all that shit, even if it is the subpar milkless and eggless versions.
Spices and complementary vegetables like onions or peppers being absent in a meat only diet make this a no brainer. Sure I'd miss cheese, but picking meat in this situation is honestly a bit unwise.
What do you get out of that animal diet? Mostly muscle protein and fat (the really yummy part). Fat is easily obtained from various vegetable oils, so you're only missing out on those proteins. Much fewer unique flavors come from animals (RIP "vanilla" flavor from beaver assholes).
I'll be plenty happy with sugar, bread (assuming yeast is allowed), salt, pepper, jalapenos/habaneros, curry spices, rice, vegetables, fruits, nuts, and "beyond" meat. There's a reason Beyond burgers aren't that bad, it's because they imitate texture and use the complementary flavors of lettuce, bread, tomato, etc to bring that burger together.
What do you get out of that animal diet? Mostly muscle protein and fat (the really yummy part). Fat is easily obtained from various vegetable oils, so you're only missing out on those proteins. Much fewer unique flavors come from animals (RIP "vanilla" flavor from beaver assholes).
I'll be plenty happy with sugar, bread (assuming yeast is allowed), salt, pepper, jalapenos/habaneros, curry spices, rice, vegetables, fruits, nuts, and "beyond" meat. There's a reason Beyond burgers aren't that bad, it's because they imitate texture and use the complementary flavors of lettuce, bread, tomato, etc to bring that burger together.
June
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"A chemical compound used in vanilla flavouring and scents comes from the anal glands of beavers."
"to acquire the castoreum, the beaver needs to be anaesthetised and then its nether regions are "milked"."
Yeah thats a no from me. At least this beaver butt goo is apparently mostly used in perfumes and not foods
Girls out here smelling like vanilla butt
Mistake
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You're right, I kill a lot of cows getting my milk
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Krappadizzle
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Me eating ribeye steak once a week is not going to kill the planet. And our generation won't see the end of humanity, nor will our children or our children's children. Why worry about something that won't truly affect the planet for another couple of centuries at least? Just eat your meat and shut your whinging, snowflake.
JimboJones
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I can't choose, I'd say my diet is probably 75% plant and 25% animal, so I guess plant wins.
Being vegan is kind of a dreadful experience when you've had animal products in your diet most of your life.
Being vegan is kind of a dreadful experience when you've had animal products in your diet most of your life.
synchronicity
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I'm mostly carnivore and have been for a while, so animal for sure. It's not that I don't enjoy plant foods - I actually prefer them, but eliminating carbs has been the most helpful for my autoimmune/general health. (I'll sometimes still include some very low carb veggies, but I'm less than 20 carbs/day.)
I will say that for any opposed to killing animals for food on ethical grounds, you do realize that plants defend themselves too and want to live just like any other life form. They don't want to be eaten either. Their defenses are chemical (by necessity) rather than physical (attack/retreat). And of course, plants want their fruits to be eaten as that helps perpetuate their existence. And most of the animals that you object to killing and eating would be very happy to eat you without any moral pontificating.
I will say that for any opposed to killing animals for food on ethical grounds, you do realize that plants defend themselves too and want to live just like any other life form. They don't want to be eaten either. Their defenses are chemical (by necessity) rather than physical (attack/retreat). And of course, plants want their fruits to be eaten as that helps perpetuate their existence. And most of the animals that you object to killing and eating would be very happy to eat you without any moral pontificating.
Taxexemption
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Animal. I've done both, I was a vegetarian for a short period of time, I've also eaten meat exclusively for more than a week. If I have to pick an extreme it's all meat, I feel much better only eating meat than I do abstaining from it.
funkygunther
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The amount of variety in plant foods makes it difficult to argue against
Taxexemption
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Nah. You can do well on a diet entirely of meat. It's pretty good for weight loss.
Sosokrates
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Plant. More nutritionally complete and can make tasy food if you know how.
Today for breakfast I had a no meat english breakfast.
Roasted tomatoa
Roasted mushrooms
Hash browns
Baked beans
Toast with marg
Taste great and u dont miss the meat or eggs that much.
Today for breakfast I had a no meat english breakfast.
Roasted tomatoa
Roasted mushrooms
Hash browns
Baked beans
Toast with marg
Taste great and u dont miss the meat or eggs that much.
daveonezero
Banned
There is only one food you can eat by itself to sustain you for a long time and this if beef. Or ruminant meat. I could eat it everyday exclusively if money was no object.
Yeah fuck those ground dwelling animals in front of combines and all the micro cellular life in soil killed by petrochemical fertilizer.
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StateofMajora
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Animal… we didn't get to this point eating bean sprouts.
I tried vegan and felt like death, and yes I had b12 and protein foods.
I tried vegan and felt like death, and yes I had b12 and protein foods.
Sosokrates
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Full vegan dont make much sense, but I think the idea that you have to eat meat every day or for the majority of your protein intake is uncessary.
June
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looks good. could do with a bit of potato bread and/or soda bread, if youre from the uk
also scrambled seasoned tofu can combine well with those ingrediants
Sosokrates
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Yeah I like tofu, my favourites are sweet and sour tofu, where I marinade it in soy sauce + vinegar, dip it in flour and fry it.
And the sweet and sour sauce is sauteed carrots, 1green pep ¹ red pep, 1 big onion, ginger + garlic. Then i mix the juice from tinned pineapple junks with tomato ketchup and a lil soy sauce then I combine everything including the fried tofu and pinapple chunks.
It tastes as good as any sweet and sour chicken or pork I've had.
p_xavier
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Grass fed organic meat is the healthiest thing for your body. It reduces body inflammation dramatically.
Sosokrates
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I find it so funny that people like to think what they are doing is best.
June
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interesting. sounds good, and simple well the first part at least . might try the flour thing myself. i usually just pan fry my tofu with some powdered seasoning and soy sauce, nothing fancy.
so much of any good food is seasoning. even meat can taste like shit with no seasoning (ever tried a plain chicken breast? its not good...)
JimboJones
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I like it.
Taxexemption
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If you didn't think it was best, why would you do it? Honestly if you didn't think what you were doing was best, I'd wonder what was wrong with you.
"You think there are better choices in life and you don't make them? Do we need to start bullying you into living a better life?"
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June
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I like it.
I still remember when I was home alone as a kid and an unseasoned fillet of chicken, wrapped in tin foil and cooked in the oven for 30 minutes was the best thing I could come up with. It was the loneliest meal I've ever laid eyes on.
Fair enough if you find that satisfying. I could never eat that shit again lol.
Lone Wolf
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Because we are not beta soy boys.
Taxexemption
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Chicken breast is a dry meat, it needs to be basted in butter or wrapped in bacon while cooking to get the necessary moisture to make it good. Personally I think unless you are a good cook who has spent time studying it, you should opt for chicken thighs which are a lot juicier on their own, which makes them a lot easier to cook. Chicken breast/fillet just doesn't have that much fat, so you need to cook it more carefully than other cuts.
Sosokrates
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Yeah people make the best decisions they can, but regarding diet to say that people who are doing something different are wrong is pretty ignorant because there is not a consensus on the science.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
If you thought the jokes about vegetarians were just fake shit, its enough to look at the fucking replies here from them and see for yourself, they are deranged and ignorant as we all knew them to be. Imagine thinking people who eat animal food are destroying the planet lmfao. It's not the conglomerate corporations releasing tons of toxic stuff in the air and water, but the casual peasant eating some chicken.
Taxexemption
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There probably never will be a consensus. Between private corporations funding research that will result in studies that say whatever they want them to say, and differences in individuals due to genetics, or epigenetics, we are completely unequipped to do anything other than use simple heuristic. You need to rebuild society to get accurate studies on this, and outside of that, you just have personal experience or whatever other methods you would employ.
Sugar was good for you before it was bad for you, so were cigarettes, and a dozen other things. For a time cigarettes were considered to be like weight training for your lungs. We don't do real science, we just have a system that allows some to believe that we do.
Human nutrition is a subject that has barely been studied, and most of the studies on it are done by people who have a bias toward certain outcomes.
June
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well the corporations sell the stuff and the people buy it, so its both
isnt animal agriculture one of largest contributors to climate change?
Sosokrates
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Thats why it dont make sense to prop up your diet but shit on a different one.
June
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as a layman the whole conversation around nutrition seems absolutely fucked, i dont know who or what can be trusted.
Taxexemption
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I've tried to be a vegetarian, I tried a bunch of different diets based on the literature. I was overweight in college, I took a nutrition class, the class had four or five different recommended diets, none of which involved eating mostly meat. I tried those diets, none of them resulted in me losing a significant amount of weight, or making me feel any better than I did beforehand. In fact I felt sick while I was on some of those diets, particularly when I went vegetarian.
When a diet finally works for me, I'm going to shill it. Keto/carnivore/low carb should be promoted for the simple fact that it does work for a lot of people, yet in the mainstream literature and in mainstream culture it's largely scoffed at and people who have read the literature will tell you that you will die of a heart attack pretty quickly if you attempt this.