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[Kimahri]

The people who say animal have no idea how food works.

Animal only means no herbs, hardly a spice. Pretty much all you can eat is meat, egg, dairy.

Meanwhile I have all the fruits in the world, vegetables, grains, legumes, all the flavors I could need. A plethora of different foods and something new and flavorful on my plate every single day.

Yrah, I'm going plants. I'd get fucking bored out of my mind on animal only.

 

[Sosokrates]

I've tried to be a vegetarian, I tried a bunch of different diets based on the literature. I was overweight in college, I took a nutrition class, the class had four or five different recommended diets, none of which involved eating mostly meat. I tried those diets, none of them resulted in me losing a significant amount of weight, or making me feel any better than I did beforehand. In fact I felt sick while I was on some of those diets, particularly when I went vegetarian.

When a diet finally works for me, I'm going to shill it. Keto/carnivore/low carb should be promoted for the simple fact that it does work for a lot of people, yet in the mainstream literature and in mainstream culture it's largely scoffed at and people who have read the literature will tell you that you will die of a heart attack pretty quickly if you attempt this.

But doesn't really change my point you can say the keto diet worked great for you and vegetarian diet didnt, but that does not mean it will be the same for other people.

Theres also a difference between recommending your diet and saying somones diet is flat out wrong.

 

[JimboJones]

I still remember when I was home alone as a kid and an unseasoned fillet of chicken, wrapped in tin foil and cooked in the oven for 30 minutes was the best thing I could come up with. It was the loneliest meal I've ever laid eyes on.

Fair enough if you find that satisfying. I could never eat that shit again lol.

It's not like I eat it everyday, honestly it's usually a treat for the dogs but now and again I'll have a bite myself, maybe stick it in a sandwich. I like variation in my diet.

 

[Sub_Level]

Steak, Bacon, and Scrambled Eggs vs Broccoli, what a difficult choice.

 

[Artoris]

Which every one includes mushrooms

 

[Taxexemption]

Which every one includes mushrooms

That's a whole can of worms. Mushrooms are their own species, and you will get arguments from both sides about whether or not it's more plant or animal like. Both sides have a reasonable claim.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Animal foods

 

[West Texas CEO]

Which every one includes mushrooms

Mushrooms are meat. As a carnivore, I'm claiming it.

 

[June]

That's a whole can of worms. Mushrooms are their own species, and you will get arguments from both sides about whether or not it's more plant or animal like. Both sides have a reasonable claim.

wait what lol. i would like to hear these reasonable claims for mushrooms being animals

 

[Taxexemption]

wait what lol. i would like to hear these reasonable claims for mushrooms being animals

Mushroom protein has characteristics that are closer to animal protein than plant protein. Virtually every plant protein is an incomplete protein, while all animal sources of protein are complete. Genetic testing seems to indicate that mushrooms are more closely related to humans than plants, at least that's what the literature says, I have a baseline understanding of genetics, but not to the level that I understand what kind of research generates these types of claims.

You could also get into an argument about how it acquires foods. Plants largely use photosynthesis and organic material. Mushrooms form networks of microorganism that feed off of dying plants. The way mushrooms acquire resources is in my opinion closer to how most animals operate than how plants operate.

Deer graze grass/forbs. What the mushroom is doing when its eating plants is closer to what a deer is doing, than what the grass/forbs do.

 

[GeekyDad]

Can't live without my fresh, homemade salads and cereals.

And don't forget, you junkfood eaters, chips are plants. Can't get Kettle chips from a cow.

 

[Taxexemption]

Can't live without my fresh, homemade salads and cereals.

And don't forget, you junkfood eaters, chips are plants. Can't get Kettle chips from a cow.

Pork rinds say hullo.

 

[GeekyDad]

 

[June]

Mushroom protein has characteristics that are closer to animal protein than plant protein. Virtually every plant protein is an incomplete protein, while all animal sources of protein are complete. Genetic testing seems to indicate that mushrooms are more closely related to humans than plants, at least that's what the literature says, I have a baseline understanding of genetics, but not to the level that I understand what kind of research generates these types of claims.

You could also get into an argument about how it acquires foods. Plants largely use photosynthesis and organic material. Mushrooms form networks of microorganism that feed off of dying plants. The way mushrooms acquire resources is in my opinion closer to how most animals operate than how plants operate.

Deer graze grass/forbs. What the mushroom is doing when its eating plants is closer to what a deer is doing, than what the grass/forbs do.

interesting. i didnt know about this stuff

but i would say there are more relevant characteristics to take into account such as abilities, consciousness, pain

because imma be honest i have NEVER heard of a person ordering or desiring a meat and then getting mushrooms, nor have i never heard of a vegan/vegetarian abstain from mushrooms because they are too much like animals

 

[Putonahappyface]

Flesh.

 

[kurisu_1974]

You are aware your own ancestors hunted and killed animals for food for many, many years. If they didn’t, you might not be here today. So, you know, hunting and killing animals for their associated produce has always been, and always will be, the key to survival.

My ancestors undoubedtly did a lot of shit that I wouldn't. That's kindergarten level argumentation.

 

[Artoris]

interesting. i didnt know about this stuff

but i would say there are more relevant characteristics to take into account such as abilities, consciousness, pain

because imma be honest i have NEVER heard of a person ordering or desiring a meat and then getting mushrooms, nor have i never heard of a vegan/vegetarian abstain from mushrooms because they are too much like animals

 

[Dark Star]

I'm gonna go with plant based because I like pasta, bread, salad, veg soups, etc

a life without dairy would be difficult because no pizza or cheese or milk or whatever, but i think having access to every spice/plant/fruit/etc makes up for that

a meat only diet means grilling raw, unseasoned beef/fish/chicken/eggs/etc and that's pretty much it, maybe some salt. boring and probably unhealthy in the long run

 

[bitbydeath]

I couldn't live off of just meat, eggs, fish and cheese for ever. A plant diet is much more expansive - pasta, pesto, pancakes, potatoes, gnocchi, donuts, cookies, pizza, bread. I'll suffer through the fake meat for access to all that shit, even if it is the subpar milkless and eggless versions.

Isn’t egg an important ingredient for a lot of those you mentioned?

 

[Taxexemption]

interesting. i didnt know about this stuff

but i would say there are more relevant characteristics to take into account such as abilities, consciousness, pain

because imma be honest i have NEVER heard of a person ordering or desiring a meat and then getting mushrooms, nor have i never heard of a vegan/vegetarian abstain from mushrooms because they are too much like animals

Very few people go that far into the weeds about the consciousness/pain issue. Shellfish are considered meat, but it's thought that they are too simple of an organism to experience pain in any way that we would understand it. Some would argue that you should specifically eat shellfish as they are a sustainable source of protein that you are not harming by consuming it.

There is a whole separate issue most people avoid about eggs. Yes it's animal protein, but if it isn't fertilized there was no chance of it becoming a living being. People against eating eggs are likely to argue either that eating animals in general is bad, or the keeping of chickens is a type of slavery.

Also, there are people that think plants experience a level of consciousness, and communicate with each other. I haven't really looked into the issue, but if true it may be the case that any way that you go you are causing other beings suffering, and then it all gets really philosophical as to what you should do.

 

[June]

Very few people go that far into the weeds about the consciousness/pain issue. Shellfish are considered meat, but it's thought that they are too simple of an organism to experience pain in any way that we would understand it. Some would argue that you should specifically eat shellfish as they are a sustainable source of protein that you are not harming by consuming it.

There is a whole separate issue most people avoid about eggs. Yes it's animal protein, but if it isn't fertilized there was no chance of it becoming a living being. People against eating eggs are likely to argue either that eating animals in general is bad, or the keeping of chickens is a type of slavery.

Also, there are people that think plants experience a level of consciousness, and communicate with each other. I haven't really looked into the issue, but if true it may be the case that any way that you go you are causing other beings suffering, and then it all gets really philosophical as to what you should do.

hmm well either way no one who wants a meat dish is going to be satifised if they are given a plate of mushrooms. as for the shellfish thing, yeah i've heard people debate of jellyfish and stuff. i dont know much about that personally. grey cases certainly exist though yeah

the thing about eggs is that hens are forced to produce way more eggs than is natural or healthy, just so that more can be sold. now i can imagine a scenario in which some wild hens leave their eggs behind and you happen you pick them up and use for yourself, but thats far from the norm.

 

[teezzy]

How do people who only meat get any fiber?

 

[The Cockatrice]

well the corporations sell the stuff and the people buy it, so its both

isnt animal agriculture one of largest contributors to climate change?

there are far worse offenders but also we did not force any animal food conglomerate to pollute with their wastes and machines and animal abuse. If vegetarians want to stop these things they should stop yelling at the casual man or blame the casual man for "destroying the planet" and maybe make a change against KFC or mcdonalds or nestle or whatever else. Also, if you want to stop polluting, there are better things to do. Vegetarians can eat whatever they want, I have nothing against them, the normal ones, good for them but the ones that insult you for eating meat are a bunch of idiots.

 

[Taxexemption]

How do people who only meat get any fiber?

Even though I've tried only eating meat, I'm not really sure. If you are concerned about your bowel movements, I'll just say that it doesn't seem to be an issue. Outside of that, my understanding is that fiber is useful in that it prevents carbohydrates from being absorbed into the blood too quickly, and if you only eat meat that's not going to be an issue. The other thing fiber does is help your body eliminate cholesterol, but on an all meat diet your body lowers the amount of cholesterol it produces on it's own to compensate.

 

[June]

there are far worse offenders but also we did not force any animal food conglomerate to pollute with their wastes and machines and animal abuse. If vegetarians want to stop these things they should stop yelling at the casual man or blame the casual man for "destroying the planet" and maybe make a change against KFC or mcdonalds or nestle or whatever else. Also, if you want to stop polluting, there are better things to do. Vegetarians can eat whatever they want, I have nothing against them, the normal ones, good for them but the ones that insult you for eating meat are a bunch of idiots.

theres an inherent level of pollution to the industry though. cows farting and taking up so much space isnt corporations being sneaky or circumventing rules. those are just inherent aspects of the industry , and corporations supply it and people buy it.

as for the rest of your post: "why not both?"

 

[haxan7]

You are aware your own ancestors hunted and killed animals for food for many, many years. If they didn’t, you might not be here today. So, you know, hunting and killing animals for their associated produce has always been, and always will be, the key to survival.

 

[The Cockatrice]

theres an inherent level of pollution to the industry though. cows farting and taking up so much space isnt corporations being sneaky or circumventing rules. those are just inherent aspects of the industry , and corporations supply it and people buy it.

as for the rest of your post: "why not both?"

conglomerates will never stop polluting. Even if they stop animal production and we replace it completely, there's still going to be mass production for replacements which will turn to pollution. Really, common sense. There is nothing a vegetarian can say to sway me over animal products. I consume both. Like I said, no issue if you consume one or the other, just dont yell at the person for his choice because you think yours is better.

 

[synchronicity]

Also, there are people that think plants experience a level of consciousness, and communicate with each other. I haven't really looked into the issue, but if true it may be the case that any way that you go you are causing other beings suffering, and then it all gets really philosophical as to what you should do.

I read this book years ago and they did some interesting experiments that seemed to show that plants have awareness and react to pain, or even threat of harm. It was very interesting. And if you've ever taken mushrooms or other plant "medicines", you surely know that non-animal entities are certainly capable of a very powerful type of consciousness.

For me, it's simple in terms of morality. All living things must consumer other living things (energy) for their continued existence in physical form. There's no way around it. What form that energy takes is up to the individual. I do believe that life should be taken (and well cared for prior to being taken) without cruelty or the inflicting of unnecessary suffering, of course, and the food industry isn't exactly on board with that philosophy. Everyone must live in harmony with their own heart.

 

[BigBooper]

Is suicide an option?
Meat without spices or vegetables without butter... I guess I'd go for the plants. More things would taste better.


As far as animals or plants dying for my meals, I have zero concerns about that.

 

[poppabk]

Isn’t egg an important ingredient for a lot of those you mentioned?

You can make them without eggs and milk though. Dairy free pasta is sub par pasta, grain and vegetable free pasta is just a pool of oil. Pizza with dairy free cheese is sub par pizza, grain and vegetable free pizza is just a big hunk of cheese.

 

[Rockondevil]

Definitely animal, and it's not even close.

 

[June]

conglomerates will never stop polluting. Even if they stop animal production and we replace it completely, there's still going to be mass production for replacements which will turn to pollution. Really, common sense.

obviously theres going to be pollution, its the level of that pollution that is the issue. and everything ive read on this subject points to animal foods causes more pollution than plant foods.

 

[SpiceRacz]

Not only would I choose animal, I'd eat only ribeye steaks if it weren't so expensive.

 

[SentientStone]

Call me a bullfrog

Though I do need my fibre... hm....

 

[DeepEnigma]

Plant.

 

[AJUMP23]

Animals taste better.

 

[BadBurger]

Gonna go with plant. Tons of Indian dishes to choose from, plenty of Korean and Vietnamese that are either all vegetarian or with meat that can be substituted or left out. I also really like Impossible "meat", and several brands of chicken substitutes.

Besides, I could never give up my favorite, mashed potatoes.

 

[SpiceRacz]

Vegetables are bullshit.

 

[Punished Miku]

Animal only: lose out on nearly every type of food available today. Only thing you will ever drink for the rest of your life is water, milk and bone broth. No coffee, beer, sugar, bread, spice.
Plant only: Get vegan cheese and meat, and everything else is pretty much the same.

Come on, no one is seriously considering animal.

 

[Mossybrew]

Very easy answer, gonna eat them animals and they milk and egg based products.

 

[Mossybrew]

Vegetables are bullshit.

Preach. Plant based foods were basically a recourse for our ancestors when meat was not available. It's clearly a backup, struggle, second-tier meal.

 

[BigBooper]

Surprised how many of you have never eaten fruit.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Recently went mostly carnivore, so animal. Big Carb is responsible for a genocide and now all you weirdos voting Plant are complicit.

 

[GeekyDad]

Vegetables are bullshit.

Literally.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Preach. Plant based foods were basically a recourse for our ancestors when meat was not available. It's clearly a backup, struggle, second-tier meal.

And people seem to forget that Humans evolved to EAT MEAT. Not the other way around, and it directly corresponds to why our brain/size ratio is so much bigger than other primates. Humans wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for us evolving to eat meat. It may hurt some peoples feelings, but it is the truth.

 

[Kimahri]

Steak, Bacon, and Scrambled Eggs vs Broccoli, what a difficult choice.

More like steak, bacon and scrambled egges vs broccoli, carrots, potatos, apples, oranges, plums, grapes, cashews, peanuts, basil, oregano, chili, sweet potato, beets, beans, chickpeas, parsley, spring onions, onions, etc etc. We can go furrher, jam, french fries, crisps, crackers, bisquits, bread, cake. It goes on and on.

To pick unseasoned animal meat over all that is comoletely ludicrous to me.

I get it, meat is nice, but not only meat all the time. Meat is enhanced by everything around it, and all the things around it comes from plants.

 

[SpiceRacz]

My message to all the softies in here that voted for plants:

 

[Mossybrew]

We do need types of plant fibers for our gut microbes though, this is a thing we really are only beginning to understand. Your gut bugs do need more than meat, but how much, what specifically, still much we don't know.

 

[Sosokrates]

there are far worse offenders but also we did not force any animal food conglomerate to pollute with their wastes and machines and animal abuse. If vegetarians want to stop these things they should stop yelling at the casual man or blame the casual man for "destroying the planet" and maybe make a change against KFC or mcdonalds or nestle or whatever else. Also, if you want to stop polluting, there are better things to do. Vegetarians can eat whatever they want, I have nothing against them, the normal ones, good for them but the ones that insult you for eating meat are a bunch of idiots.

Yeah, a lot of vegans are the absolute worst marketers. Ironically they are causing more animal death by detering people from eating less meat because they act like assholes.

 

[Mihos]

I only eat vegetarians