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[Ballthyrm]

Joerg Sprave a pretty famous German youtuber started a movement not too long ago to create accountability for Youtube and its creators.
Looks like he went to the next level and now they have formed an actual Union.

From my point of view it was more or less inevitable as Youtube kept giving the finger to the people earning them their money.
They have been pretty daft and that's the foreseeable consequence.

Startseite - Fairtube

fairtube.info

 

[nush]

 

[Drew1440]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

 

[Ballthyrm]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

For me they should take all their followers and actually form a non profit.
All together they make enough revenue on their video to pay for servers. Most of their money come from Patreon or in video Ads anyways.

Something like wikipedia but for Video.
I know that CGP grey started https://watchnebula.com for that exact reason.
I just think their business model is wrong though or they haven't hit critical mass yet.

Amazon would be more than happy to give them a spot on AWS I bet.
They have to realize that if enough of them jump Ship , Youtube going to have to bend if it doesn't want to break.

 

[The Lunch Legend]

so damn cringey listening to non-natives speak English..

 

[GeorgPrime]

Joerg Sprave a pretty famous German youtuber started a movement not too long ago to create accountability for Youtube and its creators.
Looks like he went to the next level and now they have formed an actual Union.

From my point of view it was more or less inevitable as Youtube kept giving the finger to the people earning them their money.
They have been pretty daft and that's the foreseeable consequence.

Startseite - Fairtube

fairtube.info

All those Youtuber could easily come up with their own streaming platform.

 

[ScarletSpider]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

+1 odyssey

 

[nush]

so damn cringey listening to non-natives speak English..

Wait until you hear the actual natives. It aint Mary Poppins over on Covid island.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

lol if Parler got kicked to the curb, how do they think a union will fare better?

Gonna get a funny lesson in capitalism.

When they said "make your own private platform", they meant it. YouTube is the modern "CNN broadcast contract in airports" because of its ubiquity, so even if 100% of the cutting edge content creators leave for elsewhere, the platform will trudge along as a convenient place to watch meme compilations, listen to music, and see news clips.

 

[Woo-Fu]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

Because their followers don't and won't. Every one of these content platforms that are the biggest fish in their respectable ponds are unassailable in this respect.

Just look at Twitch and what has happened to everybody who has tried to compete with them. The content creators aren't going to jump ship until the users do and the users aren't going to until a majority of the content they watch does. Microsoft built a better mousetrap with Mixer---or at least it looked that way to me from the outside---but Twitch had all the cheese.

 

[Ballthyrm]

lol if Parler got kicked to the curb, how do they think a union will fare better?

Gonna get a funny lesson in capitalism.

When they said "make your own private platform", they meant it. YouTube is the modern "CNN broadcast contract in airports" because of its ubiquity, so even if 100% of the cutting edge content creators leave for elsewhere, the platform will trudge along as a convenient place to watch meme compilations, listen to music, and see news clips.

Think of it as the first steps in all these people realizing that maybe they don't need Youtube.
As for Parler I think it's a problem they got booted out of AWS.

That's asking for Oracle or even MS to get back some marketshare though, money doesn't care which politics you are subscribing to.

Because their followers don't and won't. Every one of these content platforms that are the biggest fish in their respectable ponds are unassailable in this respect.

Just look at Twitch and what has happened to everybody who has tried to compete with them. The content creators aren't going to jump ship until the users do and the users aren't going to until a majority of the content they watch does. Microsoft built a better mousetrap with Mixer---or at least it looked that way to me from the outside---but Twitch had all the cheese.

Yeah they all need to jump ship at the same time and not one Ninja at a time.
A union would help with that if they have the numbers.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Think of it as the first steps in all these people realizing that maybe they don't need Youtube.
As for Parler I think it's a problem they got booted out of AWS.

That's asking for Oracle or even MS to get back some marketshare though, money doesn't care which politics you are subscribing to.

Unionizing seems like a way for these people to further entrench themselves into the platform. If it goes anything like most previous union aspirations, it will fester for awhile, some big names might leave, there will be a somber show of understanding from Google, some of these figureheads will get compensated better, some flimsy rules (that are still under Google's full control) will be put into place, most people won't be any better off, and the people that continue to speak up about it will be browbeaten by these union figureheads who were successfully cowed. The fringe will continue to be censored and removed from the platform so the problem "goes away" and Google ends up looking sympathetic and progressive and on the side of the Little Guy.

These corpos are easily co-opting as many "social justice movements" as they can as a competitive advantage.

Fifteen Million Merits - Wikipedia

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[Ballthyrm]

These corpos are easily co-opting as many "social justice movements" as they can as a competitive advantage.

Yeah the biggest threat for them will come from that. Can't really reform the machine from the inside, I don't think it ever worked.
My thoughts are as long as they can keep people more of less organized, they can rally around another better idea like making their own platform.

But first you need numbers, you need social contagion so you don't come back with your tail between your legs when it doesn't work. (Looking at you Ninja)

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Joerg Sprave a pretty famous German youtuber started a movement not too long ago to create accountability for Youtube and its creators.
Looks like he went to the next level and now they have formed an actual Union.

From my point of view it was more or less inevitable as Youtube kept giving the finger to the people earning them their money.
They have been pretty daft and that's the foreseeable consequence.

Startseite - Fairtube

fairtube.info

A typical Youtuber Job

PLEASE GIVE ME LIKE TO MY VIDEO AND SHARE IT!!

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

What effort? The one of being in his chair playing video games, waiting for the alms of the audience?

 

[nkarafo]

The majority of users won't want to watch their videos on other platforms. Only a small portion of them will. Whatever change has to be done, needs to be on YouTube.

 

[Ballthyrm]

The majority of users won't want to watch their videos on other platforms. Only a small portion of them will. Whatever change has to be done, needs to be on YouTube.

I think if the UI is decent, the users will flock to wherever the content is.
Content is King.

They aren't going to watch shitty cats videos when most of the stuff they usually watch is elsewhere.

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

What effort? The one of being in his chair playing video games, waiting for the alms of the audience?

"Content Creators"

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

"Content Creators"

"Content Creators"=

Translation: I take material from other people and upload videos to earn money. That even in an elementary school child can do it.

 

[Tg89]

so damn cringey listening to non-natives speak English..

I unno, it sounds a lot better than the bastardized "english" you hear in Texas.

 

[Rest]

I understand their effort, but why don't they support other video websites like odysee, Bitchute or Dailymotion?

Because no one has heard of those websites.

 

[Sidney Prescott]

A typical Youtuber Job

PLEASE GIVE ME LIKE TO MY VIDEO AND SHARE IT!!

That always makes me laugh. The only thing it accomplishes is making me not want to like or share their stuff. If you need to ask me to do that, then there is a problem with your content.

 

[Ballthyrm]

"Content Creators"=

Translation: I take material from other people and upload videos to earn money. That even in an elementary school child can do it.

The filter bubble is real because I get none of these people recommended to me, thank god.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

That always makes me laugh. The only thing it accomplishes is making me not want to like or share their stuff. If you need to ask me to do that, then there is a problem with your content.

Only if the content it have quality, but for give money to teenage... Not

 

[DarkestHour]

These Youtubers are already getting paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. Do they really need a union?

 

[nush]

So, that went as well as expected then.

 

[The Lunch Legend]

potato goes in mouth not out

*edited due to starting war

 

[Halo is Back]

"Content Creators"=

Translation: I take material from other people and upload videos to earn money. That even in an elementary school child can do it.

There are a lot of youtubers I watch that obviously put time, energy and passion into what the do. Not every Youtuber is created equal to those reaction channels and honestly if they are making money from just commentary that is no different from radio. I think a lot people are just jealous that a new form of media is making average joes rich.

 

[Halo is Back]

so damn cringey listening to non-natives speak English..

This post was fucking cringe. Would love to see you try and speak a foreign language

 

[The Lunch Legend]

 

[Peggies]

 

[eot]

Unions are pretty powerful in Europe, this makes sense to me, even if Americans might be perplexed by it.

They could've picked some more charismatic speakers though.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

There are a lot of youtubers I watch that obviously put time, energy and passion into what the do. Not ever Youtuber is created equal to those reaction channels and honestly if they are making money from just commentary that is no different from radio. I think a lot people are just jealous that a new form of media is making average joe's rich.

If the content have quality... I support them, like fix a car or help you.

I really hate the fact that teenage playing Fortnite want to be rich.

Be Youtuber is only a hobby, is not a fucking job

 

[TrainedRage]

Unions care about the little guys.... hahahaha I'm sorry. Couldn't keep a straight face saying that.

Enjoy paying dues to these corrupt union leaders who just want a slice of this fresh pie.

 

[KaitlyynDuff]

I do agree with the others. I just don't think that it will be a samrt idea to come up with your own streaming platform if you're already established on youtube. I mean, youtube is very easy to access anywhere and even with simple data. It is unlike other sites that take a hard time to load. Also, it will be easier for streamers to just go on youtube and handle one account instead of setting up several others.

 

[Rentahamster]

That always makes me laugh. The only thing it accomplishes is making me not want to like or share their stuff. If you need to ask me to do that, then there is a problem with your content.

That might be true for you, but statistically, it helps them more than it hurts them so that's why they do it.

 

[oagboghi2]

If the content have quality... I support them, like fix a car or help you.

I really hate the fact that teenage playing Fortnite want to be rich.

Be Youtuber is only a hobby, is not a fucking job

Anything is a job if you make it into something profitable.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Anything is a job if you make it into something profitable.

Theft is a job?

 

[oagboghi2]

Theft is a job?

Sure. People hire theives all the time to test security systems.

Are you seriously comparing making a youtube video to theivery?

 

[Peggies]

Well, I for myself wish them all the best LOL

 

[SKM1]

If the content have quality... I support them, like fix a car or help you.

I really hate the fact that teenage playing Fortnite want to be rich.

Be Youtuber is only a hobby, is not a fucking job

 

[Halo is Back]

If the content have quality... I support them, like fix a car or help you.

I really hate the fact that teenage playing Fortnite want to be rich.

Be Youtuber is only a hobby, is not a fucking job

It's not a hobby if you make big money in advertising revenue.

 

[gundalf]

Unions are pretty powerful in Europe, this makes sense to me, even if Americans might be perplexed by it.

They could've picked some more charismatic speakers though.

While IG Metall is a big and powerful workers union there is AFAIK no legal framework or concept of unions for self employed people. Of course there are guilds which can even have legal influence and recognition - so I think the term "Youtubers Union" is misleading and should be named "Youtubes Collective" or "Youtubes Guild" or so.

On the other hand there is a lot to gain for IG Metall, if they play there hands right and are successful, they will be in a position where every content creator in Germany has to sign up by law(!) to their Youtuber Union, pay contributions and play by their handbook.

 

[John2290]

All those Youtuber could easily come up with their own streaming platform.

And be quickly stomped on by Google. As long as Google own Youtube, Google remains at the top and Youtube remains popular, there will never be another service that is allowed to take a bigger slice of the pie than Google allows to keep in line with laws.

 

[DeepEnigma]

lol if Parler got kicked to the curb, how do they think a union will fare better?

Gonna get a funny lesson in capitalism.

When they said "make your own private platform", they meant it. YouTube is the modern "CNN broadcast contract in airports" because of its ubiquity, so even if 100% of the cutting edge content creators leave for elsewhere, the platform will trudge along as a convenient place to watch meme compilations, listen to music, and see news clips.

And don't forget the most important...

Cat videos.

 

[Sidney Prescott]

That might be true for you, but statistically, it helps them more than it hurts them so that's why they do it.

For sure. I get that, if I like the channel enough I can look past it. I think some channels do it better than others. I'm not a huge fan of the obnoxious ones such as 'SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON!" but I am fine if someone goes "If you enjoyed this video, I would appreciate a like or subscribe" or something.

 

[Great Hair]

Only taken 3 has more cuts ...

 

[IntentionalPun]

There are still questions on whether YouTube is profitable, even w/ the ~$15 billion in revenue they finally reported last year (for 2019.)

People are pretty naïve about the costs of running a platform like that; creators don't want to go anywhere else ironically because they'll make way less money too.

I doubt anything is going to change in the future either; just yelling at clouds, and Google not caring.

 

[johntown]

I would just like the ability to make money off my videos "again". YouTube keeps moving the goalpost and making it harder and harder to get any money.

 

[A.Romero]

I was thinking the other day that is about time that society forgot how damaging unions can be and start clamoring for them again. It would be funny if it started with YT content creators.

Don't think this is going to take off, though. It's not like they have and actual employee status towards YT.

It sounds to me that the fact that they allow creators to put as much advertisement as they want in their videos and not give YT a dime for it is a pretty big advantage.