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Zenyatta....?
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It's pretty clear that poster doesn't respect her enough to post her actual name.
#theyallsoundalike
Zenyatta....?
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Aa yes, alright. From that point of view, I agree completely.Yes, but the flipside isn't "I prefer the red hair" which I've said I agree with. That's an understandable take. It's "without red hair, it's not Mary Jane", which is a perplexing take for any adaptation. It's not a defining facet of the character and like many other adapted heroes, visual and even character resists change all the time.
I must admit I don't really understand this. To me Spider-Man and Peter Parker is interchangeable, and that costume he wears is just a costume he wears. Just like Mary Jane's hair is just Mary Jane's hair.Because 'Spider-Man' is literally the costume, otherwise it's just Peter Parker. Thats why people care about what it looks like.
Mary Jane is an actual person, the visual details of her are relatively insignificant
What happened?
They'll be mad if it's done right.
Not this shit again...How about we make Luke Cage asian and Black Panther a white guy instead. That's okay right?
Nothing against Zenyatta, I'm just sometimes sick of corporate decisions of disregarding the idea of being a faithful to the source material just because of whatever reasons.
Okay. I think if a character's hair color is a big part of their identity, then they're probably a paper thin character. I mean you could probably exclude Aquaman from that list because you could do some interesting things with the prejudices that cultures create but DC ain't touching that shit.
Who decides what is and isn't a "defining trait." You mention Liz Allen, so what makes her situation different? Because there are other blonde in the comics? Because blondes are more common? Because people don't care about the character as much? Because they've consistently been portrayed in the comics that way and people want rigid adaptations of looks? What is it?
Because 'Spider-Man' is literally the costume, otherwise it's just Peter Parker. Thats why people care about what it looks like.
Mary Jane is an actual person, the visual details of her are relatively insignificant
I must admit I don't really understand this. To me Spider-Man and Peter Parker is interchangeable, and that costume he wears is just a costume he wears. Just like Mary Jane's hair is just Mary Jane's hair.
I would like to think that the visual details of one of the most important members Spidey's cast is pretty important, particularly if it is a distinct feature that identifies her in popular culture.
Her hair color is a central part of her character lmfao just say you wish she were white
Point being that most objections are from people that would struggle to name a single other defining trait that is integral to the character besides being Peter's fixtion. But you already know this.
It's a conspiracy to wipe out gingers from pop culture
Not this shit again...How about we make Luke Cage asian and Black Panther a white guy instead. That's okay right?
Nothing against Zenyatta, I'm just sometimes sick of corporate decisions of disregarding the idea of being a faithful to the source material just because of whatever reasons.
She's gonna help Spiderman beat the villain when she uses her orb of discord, but she needs to do it before Blizzard makes the patch live and not just on the PTR servers.It's pretty clear that poster doesn't respect her enough to post her actual name.
#theyallsoundalike
Okay. I think if a character's hair color is a big part of their identity, then they're probably a paper thin character. I mean you could probably exclude Aquaman from that list because you could do some interesting things with the prejudices that cultures create but DC ain't touching that shit.
Who decides what is and isn't a "defining trait." You mention Liz Allen, so what makes her situation different? Because there are other blonde in the comics? Because blondes are more common? Because people don't care about the character as much? Because they've consistently been portrayed in the comics that way and people want rigid adaptations of looks? What is it?
Welp I'm outIT was the usual stupidity you can get from those kind of threads until this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214142916&postcount=1443
Fuck everything.
How about we make Luke Cage asian
and Black Panther a white guy instead. That's okay right?
Nothing against Zenyatta
I'm just sometimes sick of corporate decisions of disregarding the idea of being a faithful to the source material just because of whatever reasons.
No S-curl was bullshit tbh, but Snyder has so many sins that people were distracted.
Actually there's so much wrong with the DCEU that it shouldn't really be used as anything but a cautionary tale.
lmaoWhat you posted right here is really stupid, and that's about all the time I'm willing to spend on this post.
The character's history determines defining traits. Mary Jane and Jean Grey being redheads have always been defining characteristics for both of them. The same goes for the color of Scott Summers' eye blasts or Beast's blue fur or Xavier's bald head or Superman wearing red and yellow or Cyborg being black etc. etc.
This doesn't mean these characters absolutely can't work without these traits but you are losing a part of what makes them iconic when you make changes. It doesn't make them paper thin just because they have defining physical characteristics. Comics are a visual medium, of course their appearance is going to help define them.
Those fucking disrespectful cunts at Marvel casting a Brit as Matt Murdock/DD. How dare they, fucking hacks. A black Mary Jane oh great, Marvel just doesn't care. This girl will never live up to the prestigious character in the comic, and Dunst's iconic performance from the Raimi movies... At least she was white with red hair though...
Embrace tranquillity.Not this shit again...How about we make Luke Cage asian and Black Panther a white guy instead. That's okay right?
Nothing against Zenyatta, I'm just sometimes sick of corporate decisions of disregarding the idea of being a faithful to the source material just because of whatever reasons.
Already better than Kristen Dunst.you hit the jackpot Tiger
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Beyond 'being attractive' which I accept as being important to the role MJ has traditionally played in Spider-Man stories, I don't think it is. The MCU is already simply an interpretation of the comics and not a literal translation. Nick Fury is black, Scarlett Witch isn't a mutant, a brown haired MJ isn't any crazier than those.
The character's history determines defining traits. Mary Jane and Jean Grey being redheads have always been defining characteristics for both of them. The same goes for the color of Scott Summers' eye blasts or Beast's blue fur or Xavier's bald head or Superman wearing red and blue or Cyborg being black etc. etc.
This doesn't mean these characters absolutely can't work without these traits but you are losing a part of what makes them iconic when you make changes. It doesn't make them paper thin just because they have defining physical characteristics. Comics are a visual medium, of course their appearance is going to help define them.
IT was the usual stupidity you can get from those kind of threads until this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214142916&postcount=1443
Fuck everything.
neither Fury or Witch have the cultural cachet that MJ has. Witch and QS origin change has more to do with movie rights. Fury was based on Ultimate and because of they movies they introduced a horrid retcon with a stupid crossover event into the books
Wolverine is supposed to be short. A plucky Aussie who does theater could never work.
MJ is supposed to the dream girl. This Peter likes some diversity. Also black and brown people can have red hair.
It took what 3 X-Men movies for young Xavier to go bald?
IT was the usual stupidity you can get from those kind of threads until this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214142916&postcount=1443
Fuck everything.
Kirsten Dunst will always be original MJ to me.Already better than Kristen Dunst.
People wanting MJ to have a red hair job is really setting some people off.
We talking about the girl from the acne treatment commercials? She looks pretty white to me, but maybe has some mixed races in her genes
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If MJ is such a weakass character that her hair colour is *actually* THAT important, then she's not even worthy all of this debate to begin with
We're going to have to agree to disagree, then
Just give her red hair it ain't hard. Why piss people off? If you're okay with this but you don't like the look of Lex Luthor in BvS you're a huge hypocrite.
The character's history determines defining traits. Mary Jane and Jean Grey being redheads have always been defining characteristics for both of them. The same goes for the color of Scott Summers' eye blasts or Beast's blue fur or Xavier's bald head or Superman wearing red and blue or Cyborg being black etc. etc.
This doesn't mean these characters absolutely can't work without these traits but you are losing a part of what makes them iconic when you make changes. It doesn't make them paper thin just because they have defining physical characteristics. Comics are a visual medium, of course their appearance is going to help define them.
It took what 3 X-Men movies for young Xavier to go bald?
Much like in those cases, what people are saying is losing these traits doesn't matter if the film creates compelling characters.
it is an identifying trait which makes MJ, MJ along with her characters' personality. It is not hard to fathom why for fans visual identifiers might be important when the source medium itself a visual one.
We talking about the girl from the acne treatment commercials? She looks pretty white to me, but maybe has some mixed races in her genes
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Well, that doesn't count cause we knew he would eventually be bald!
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it is an identifying trait which makes MJ, MJ along with her characters' personality. It is not hard to fathom why for fans visual identifiers might be important when the source medium itself a visual one.
This is a bad example seeing as how First Class was in-universe with the other movies so you knew he'd be bald eventually. The movie even makes a joke about it.
Hugh Jackman is probably the best example of a casting that forgoes one of the most recognizable classic traits of a character with good results. It helps though that even though he's supposed to be short in the comics, artist depictions vary wildly.
I'm not saying anything different >_<
A good MJ will be good regardless of her hair color. That doesn't mean a fan is wrong for wishing a movie better represented the source material. That desire also doesn't mean it's wrong for a movie to try something different as long as the execution holds up. People can have opinions on aesthetics!
She's so beautiful,glad we're shaking it upyou hit the jackpot Tiger