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Zendaya's role in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING has been revealed!

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DedValve

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I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".

2 things wrong with this line of thought.

Black Panther is entrenched in African mythology and culture. As such black actors are crucial. Peter Parker is not entrenched in any white culture and his stories would stay the same regardless of race.

Diversity means more than just the majority. The current majority is white, its been that way for a very long while now. When people say diversity they clearly mean less white and more of any other race as adding more white people to anything is not diversifying its homogenizing.

And I guess a final one is that currently your definition of "diversity" happens all the time. White actors are constantly taking the roles away from minority actors or are always considered in places where it wouldn't make sense. Look at Gods of Egypt or any biblical movie. Whitewashing is very real as is pandering to a demographic by changing their race just to do it. That complaint is almost always used when a black or other minority actor takes on a historically "white role" yet it always ignores the massive amount of times white actors do the same.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".
I lost count how many white people are still in this movie
 

DedValve

Banned
Not this shit again...How about we make Luke Cage asian and Black Panther a white guy instead. That's okay right?
Nothing against Zenyatta, I'm just sometimes sick of corporate decisions of disregarding the idea of being a faithful to the source material just because of whatever reasons.

This happens ALL THE TIME.

In every comic movie they never 100% retell a comic storyline, they adapt and change things. Sometimes for the worse sometimes for the better but almost every movie has inaccuracies with the comic because all they are doing is adapting a storyline or arc(s) and finding the best way to add a new identity to it.

Yet this seemingly only ever becomes a relevant problem when its a matter of race.

In fact its happening at this very moment with the Ms Marvel movie who is getting a new origin story not from the comics. Its happened several times in the MCU already.

Also regarding corporate decisions I would have to imagine that Marvel would much rather have a poor white MJ actor than a non white good MJ actor. Yet just like you should they trust their directors and staff to make the right decisions and this director decided that Zendaya would make a good MJ.
 
absolutely...another shot of her from a different scene...she has the same look:
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Now, will there be a scene where she's all dressed up and looks gorgeous? Most likely, but if she is indeed playing MJ, THAT is what MJ looks like in the MCU. Not a redhead, not a supermodel while in high school, just a very pretty HS kid.
She looks pretty but doesn't look like MJ here, just a regular girl, which is fine but not what I was expecting. It's a shame because she could be the best MJ ever, she has the face.
 

DedValve

Banned
She looks pretty but doesn't look like MJ. It's a shame because she could be the best MJ ever, she has the face.

But if she's the best MJ ever (which isn't a high bar lets be honest) and doesn't look like her does that detract from her still being the best MJ ever? Like would you somehow prefer another Kirsten Dunst over Zendaya even if this movie came out and she proved to act circles around Kirsten?
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".

I didn't realize white people were struggling to get prominent roles in Hollywood.

And similarly, Black Panther being black is a pretty fucking key part of the character unless you're totally fine with "white person is king of isolationist African nation". At no point does Mary Jane's race bear any of that weight.
 
She looks pretty but doesn't look like MJ here, just a regular girl, which is fine but not what I was expecting. It's a shame because she could be the best MJ ever, she has the face.

I mean, MJ must have just been your standard, every day gal before becoming a model, no?
I think there'll be a natural progression with the character over the span of films... maybe?
 

Xun

Member
People are seriously hung up on this?

She'll be great I'm sure.

I just hope she has red hair by the end of the film...
 

Skilletor

Member
I mean, MJ must have just been your standard, every day gal before becoming a model, no?
I think there'll be a natural progression with the character over the span of films... maybe?

Ultimate Spidey, MJ wants to become a reporter, I think. She starts doing journalism.

Maybe she doesn't want to be a model in this one, even if she is a very gorgeous young woman, perhaps the MCU doesn't want this to be "model" MJ.
 
I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".
Hahahahahaha! White actors have ALWAYS taken roles away from minority actors. Whitewashing has always existed and it still exists now. "What if white people started playing African roles? Huh? Huh!??" You mean like Egyptians in every Hollywood movie ever? Lmao
 
But if she's the best MJ ever (which isn't a high bar lets be honest) and doesn't look like her does that detract from her still being the best MJ ever? Like would you somehow prefer another Kirsten Dunst over Zendaya even if this movie came out and she proved to act circles around Kirsten?
I'm just talking about characterization. Best MJ ever "visually" speaking, in comparison to the source material. If she plays the role well I won't mind it at all.
I mean, MJ must have just been your standard, every day gal before becoming a model, no?
I think there'll be a natural progression with the character over the span of films... maybe?

True, you're right.
 

Famassu

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I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".
Of course diversity means non-white because 99,9% of everything Hollywood is white. You can't go anywhere else but non-white from the current situation.
 

jett

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What is this pro accuracy bullshit.

Mary Jane is supposed to be a supermodel, right?

edit: In hindsight this post was a mistake, but I'm just so tired of this kind of "accuracy" shit everything something like that happens. It was written in the heat of the moment. My apologies GAF.
 

richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
I'm just pro "accuracy" and want the characters to look as close as possible to their source material. Don't even try to judge me or to know what I think ok ?

Kirsten Dunst looked nothing like classic MJ from the comics (and Tobey Maguire didn't resemble Peter either).
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
What is this pro accuracy bullshit.

Mary Jane is supposed to be a supermodel, right? Which one fits this description?


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fuck outta here

Cool that you were able to google pictures were these women were caught in a bad moment.
Pretty sure you look perfect and never look silly on pictures, right?
I fucking hate posts like this so much
 
What is this pro accuracy bullshit.

Mary Jane is supposed to be a supermodel, right? Which one fits this description?


kirsten-dunst-fangs-teeth.jpg


shailene-woodley-430x550.jpg


082815-zendaya-birthday-lead.jpg


fuck outta here

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You can make the most beautiful person in the world look shitty with a bad picture.
I mean, I agree with your overall point, but god am I so fucking sick of posts on this site bitching about how women look.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
What is this pro accuracy bullshit.

Mary Jane is supposed to be a supermodel, right? Which one fits this description?


kirsten-dunst-fangs-teeth.jpg


shailene-woodley-430x550.jpg


082815-zendaya-birthday-lead.jpg


fuck outta here

What a horrible, nasty as fuck post.

I know you we're probably trying to be "funny" or whatever, but taking the time to pull the least flattering pictures possible of two very attractive actresses as a means of making your point, isn't really making your point at all.

If I took an unflattering set pic of Zendaya not wearing make-up, would that suddenly make the actress "ugly" and thus unworthy of playing an attractive character?

Get lost with this bullshit, mate.
 
Mary Jane being comics accurate is a dumb complaint. If her and Peter are dating in high school then she isn't even the same character anyway, as what made MJ work was her role in peter's supporting cast prior to being the primary love interest (something that wouldn't work unless there were multiple movies building it up).

If she's the girl next door, that just means she's Gwen with MJ's name, so the entire thing is different from the jump.
 

Skilletor

Member
Mary Jane being comics accurate is a dumb complaint. If her and Peter are dating in high school then she isn't even the same character anyway, as what made MJ work was her role in peter's supporting cast prior to being the primary love interest (something that wouldn't work unless there were multiple movies building it up).

If she's the girl next door, that just means she's Gwen with MJ's name, so the entire thing is different from the jump.

She's comic accurate if you read Ultimate Spidey (them being in high school, anyway).

Which was awesome for over a decade.
 

jett

D-Member
In hindsight that post was a mistake, but I'm just so tired of this kind of this "accuracy" shit every time a non-white actor is cast in some role of this sort. My apologies GAF.
 

Carcetti

Member
Combine comic books, race, and '1-10 looks rating' style posts and you got the material for the worst of GAF. Strapping my seatbelt.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
Mary Jane being comics accurate is a dumb complaint. If her and Peter are dating in high school then she isn't even the same character anyway, as what made MJ work was her role in peter's supporting cast prior to being the primary love interest (something that wouldn't work unless there were multiple movies building it up).

If she's the girl next door, that just means she's Gwen with MJ's name, so the entire thing is different from the jump.
Read Ultimate Spider-Man.
 
Okay moving beyond the whole racist people exist and hate this for racist reasons let me ask you all a question.

Is it okay to eliminate the fact that Mary Jane is a ginger from her character. She's literally the most iconic ginger in comic books. You aren't changing Gwen Stay, Lois Lane, etc etc these are all generic white people. You're getting rid of the #1 ginger.

And you might say I'm okay with getting rid of gingers in film (which I'm not okay with but okay you're a terrible person) but BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GINGERS TOO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photographs-redheads-of-color_us_55db9929e4b0a40aa3abf017

People of mixed race, people who would be considered "black" in America can be natural red heads. Leave your preconceived notions at the door people.

This shit pisses me off to no end man. You guys need to take a look at yourselves. People get so caught up in the odd racist and jump on it.
 

jmood88

Member
I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".
This same lazy-ass point is brought up every single time the topic is even discussed, as if it's novel. For one, you don't routinely have major white characters being changed to other races as often as non-white characters get changed to white when adapted to other media. People like you always whine about it as if character races are being changed left and right, when in reality, it happens a handful of times and becomes news simply because of how it doesn't happen all that often.

Secondly, because of how racist so many people are, black characters have to have their existence justified. So, Black Panther has a black cast because it is set in a reclusive African nation and everything around his character and cast is rooted in that and even then, Black Panther needed a white anchor to get white peoples to read. There's absolutely nothing about Mary Jane that requires her to be white and it has never been central to her character.
 

Busaiku

Member
Okay moving beyond the whole racist people exist and hate this for racist reasons let me ask you all a question.

Is it okay to eliminate the fact that Mary Jane is a ginger from her character. She's literally the most iconic ginger in comic books. You aren't changing Gwen Stay, Lois Lane, etc etc these are all generic white people. You're getting rid of the #1 ginger.

And you might say I'm okay with getting rid of gingers in film (which I'm not okay with but okay you're a terrible person) but BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GINGERS TOO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photographs-redheads-of-color_us_55db9929e4b0a40aa3abf017

People of mixed race, people who would be considered "black" in America can be natural red heads. Leave your preconceived notions at the door people.

This shit pisses me off to no end man. You guys need to take a look at yourselves. People get so caught up in the odd racist and jump on it.
We got Pepper though, so Marvel didn't completely get rid of gingers.
 
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