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Zendaya's role in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING has been revealed!

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Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
It still kind of boggles my mind how there are so many people who can't grasp the difference between a character whose identity is inextricably linked to their racial culture (Black Panther, Luke Cage, even Iron Fist to a reasonable degree), and a character who just happens to be white because most characters are white and they could easily be any other race (pretty much everyone related to Spider-Man)
 
When you support a character's change of race or gender or personality in his transition to film (which is totally fine if you do), then you have to support every change, even if the change is black to white or woman to man or something else. Racism is when you discriminate someone based on his skin colour, his gender etc. When you say that a black character can't be played by a white person, but a white character can be played by a black person, this is a discrimination. Also, I understand the "minorities aren't represented as much as white people on holywood" argument, but discrimination is still discrimination.
 

Tansut

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Okay moving beyond the whole racist people exist and hate this for racist reasons let me ask you all a question.

Is it okay to eliminate the fact that Mary Jane is a ginger from her character. She's literally the most iconic ginger in comic books. You aren't changing Gwen Stay, Lois Lane, etc etc these are all generic white people. You're getting rid of the #1 ginger.

And you might say I'm okay with getting rid of gingers in film (which I'm not okay with but okay you're a terrible person) but BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GINGERS TOO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photographs-redheads-of-color_us_55db9929e4b0a40aa3abf017

People of mixed race, people who would be considered "black" in America can be natural red heads. Leave your preconceived notions at the door people.

This shit pisses me off to no end man. You guys need to take a look at yourselves. People get so caught up in the odd racist and jump on it.
I love gingers, but I don't think anyone thinks of them as having a plight remotely similar to a minority group. They're just really rare because red hair is a recessive trait.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
When you support a character's change of race or gender or personality in his transition to film (which is totally fine if you do), then you have to support every change, even if the change is black to white or woman to man or something else. Racism is when you discriminate someone based on his skin colour, his gender etc. When you say that a black character can't be played by a white person, but a white character can be played by a black person, this is a discrimination. Also, I understand the "minorities aren't represented as much as white people on holywood" argument, but discrimination is still discrimination.
Poor white people :(
 

jmood88

Member
When you support a character's change of race or gender or personality in his transition to film (which is totally fine if you do), then you have to support every change, even if the change is black to white or woman to man or something else. Racism is when you discriminate someone based on his skin colour, his gender etc. When you say that a black character can't be played by a white person, but a white character can be played by a black person, this is a discrimination. Also, I understand the "minorities aren't represented as much as white people on holywood" argument, but discrimination is still discrimination.
I don't know you so before I respond I have to ask if this is a joke or not
 
Maybe they just found no actress who fitted.

We do live in a world where changing your hair color is possible thankfully. We do indeed have the technology.

I'm just saying how can you not want this? This would be awesome.

MC1R_DSC_2993.jpg

That's REAL diversity.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
We do live in a world where changing your hair color is possible thankfully. We do indeed have the technology.

I'm just saying how can you not want this? This would be awesome.



That's REAL diversity.
Good then that she can and will most likely dye her hair, right?

My point stands. What if they just didnt found a black ginger actress? Pardon my ignorance, but until 10 minutes ago I didnt even know that this was possible. Pretty sure its not that common and this makes finding an actress not that easy.

Sorry, I consider feeling beeing discriminated because of the hair color as stupid as left handed feeling discriminated because most things are conceptet for right handed people.

So, discrimination is just if the person who gets discriminated is white. Do you find that right or not?
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No, but I think arguments with "it goes booth ways, when white character are changed into blacks thats bad, too!" Are super stupid. Talking about white privilege.
 

Xun

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Okay moving beyond the whole racist people exist and hate this for racist reasons let me ask you all a question.

Is it okay to eliminate the fact that Mary Jane is a ginger from her character. She's literally the most iconic ginger in comic books. You aren't changing Gwen Stay, Lois Lane, etc etc these are all generic white people. You're getting rid of the #1 ginger.

And you might say I'm okay with getting rid of gingers in film (which I'm not okay with but okay you're a terrible person) but BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GINGERS TOO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photographs-redheads-of-color_us_55db9929e4b0a40aa3abf017

People of mixed race, people who would be considered "black" in America can be natural red heads. Leave your preconceived notions at the door people.

This shit pisses me off to no end man. You guys need to take a look at yourselves. People get so caught up in the odd racist and jump on it.
Perhaps in the MCU she'll say she dyes her hair brunette?
 

Skilletor

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When you support a character's change of race or gender or personality in his transition to film (which is totally fine if you do), then you have to support every change, even if the change is black to white or woman to man or something else. Racism is when you discriminate someone based on his skin colour, his gender etc. When you say that a black character can't be played by a white person, but a white character can be played by a black person, this is a discrimination. Also, I understand the "minorities aren't represented as much as white people on holywood" argument, but discrimination is still discrimination.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site. I don't have to support "every change" because some changes don't make sense.

Changing Iron Fist, Black Panther, or Luke Cage's race matters to the story. Changing Mary Jane's does not.

So, discrimination is just if the person who gets discriminated is white. Do you find that right or not?


No, it's not a joke.

Who is being discriminated against here?
 
Good then that she can and will most likely dye her hair, right?

My point stands. What if they just didnt found a black ginger actress? Pardon my ignorance, but until 10 minutes ago I didnt even know that this was possible.

Sorry, I consider feeling beeing discriminated because of the hair color as stupid as left handed feeling discriminated because most things are conceptet for right handed people.
I mean, maybe. But the movie is already shooting and there are pictures of her on set without red hair. Maybe she'll dye it half way through the movie, but that seems like an unnecessary step when they could have just had her be a red head from the get go.
 

Kelsdesu

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Some of that Ghoshtbuster crowd in here I see...

Anyway, Dunst was and is still bad, but Zendaya that new hotness for a new generation of young people.

It will be fine all is well based Marvel.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
I mean, maybe. But the movie is already shooting and there are pictures of her on set without red hair. Maybe she'll dye it half way through the movie, but that seems like an unnecessary step when they could have just had her be a red head from the get go.
Pretty sure the prom night scene everyone speculates about isnt shot outdoor.
Also, wigs exist.
 
Okay moving beyond the whole racist people exist and hate this for racist reasons let me ask you all a question.

Is it okay to eliminate the fact that Mary Jane is a ginger from her character. She's literally the most iconic ginger in comic books. You aren't changing Gwen Stay, Lois Lane, etc etc these are all generic white people. You're getting rid of the #1 ginger.

And you might say I'm okay with getting rid of gingers in film (which I'm not okay with but okay you're a terrible person) but BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GINGERS TOO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photographs-redheads-of-color_us_55db9929e4b0a40aa3abf017

People of mixed race, people who would be considered "black" in America can be natural red heads. Leave your preconceived notions at the door people.

This shit pisses me off to no end man. You guys need to take a look at yourselves. People get so caught up in the odd racist and jump on it.

Archie is more iconic a ginger in comics than MJ. He's at least a main character. I'm not certain that MJ would even be that well known if not for the 90s cartoon (I.e. people not knowing who Gwen Stacy was when ASM came out).

But your overall point that she could be a redhead is accurate. If they did or do that, cool. If not, cool. It isn't that important in the grand scheme though.
 
She can dye her hair red y'all, couldn't care less if she's a natural redhead or not.

Do you guys really think Marvel would fuck up one of the most recognisable characters in their largest franchise that they just got back from Sony?

I don't think it's debatable that she looks the part way more than Dunst or Woodley.
 
Pretty sure the prom night scene everyone speculates about isnt shot outdoor.
Also, wigs exist.
Look, I'm not saying said they won't or can't make her hair red in some way. I'm just saying it would a pretty lame and unnecessary change to the character if they don't for whatever reason.
 
How in the instance of this film by a white studio, where all of the suits are white, directed by white people, are white people being discriminated against?
When someone accepts the change X of a character, but doesn't accept the change Y (you can insert anything you want in X and Y), then you make a discrimination against the people with the characteristic Y. That's my point. I don't care if the people behind something are white or black.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site. I don't have to support "every change" because some changes don't make sense.

Changing Iron Fist, Black Panther, or Luke Cage's race matters to the story. Changing Mary Jane's does not.

First of all, comments like "This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site" are rude and don't provide anything.

Would you change the race of Falcon in the movies or someone else's whose race doesn't matter? Black's or white's. Because if you do, then I don't think you disagree with me, unless it's about story reasons, in which I agree with you. But if you would't change the movie's Falcon's race and you would change Stark's race for example, or the opposite, then you would make a discrimination.

Who is being discriminated against here?
I'm not saying MJ's change of race was a dicrimination.
 
Good then that she can and will most likely dye her hair, right?

My point stands. What if they just didnt found a black ginger actress? Pardon my ignorance, but until 10 minutes ago I didnt even know that this was possible. Pretty sure its not that common and this makes finding an actress not that easy.

Sorry, I consider feeling beeing discriminated because of the hair color as stupid as left handed feeling discriminated because most things are conceptet for right handed people.


No, but I think arguments with "it goes booth ways, when white character are changed into blacks thats bad, too!" Are super stupid. Talking about white privilege.

Perhaps in the MCU she'll say she dyes her hair brunette?

Archie is more iconic a ginger in comics than MJ. He's at least a main character. I'm not certain that MJ would even be that well known if not for the 90s cartoon (I.e. people not knowing who Gwen Stacy was when ASM came out).

But your overall point that she could be a redhead is accurate. If they did or do that, cool. If not, cool. It isn't that important in the grand scheme though.

Archie of course but I meant in the super hero landscape.

And I think MJ is well known to any comic book fan. She's like the highest profile love interest in comics (because spider man is super popular in general).

And ultimately I disagree. I think her being red is important in the grand scheme. If you can have her be not white and have her be ginger why not do it? You're making a conscious decision not to at that point.
 

Experien

Member
I feel like if this was done by Sony of FOX, all the MCU fanboys would cry fowl. Since it is Disney doing it, they are fine with it.

Never been a big fan of Spiderman so I don't care either way. I just want a good movie that is better than the last three spiderman movies.
 

jon bones

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Would you change the race of Falcon in the movies or someone else's whose race doesn't matter? Black's or white's. Because if you do, then I don't think you disagree with me, unless it's about story reasons, in which I agree with you. But if you would't change the movie's Falcon's race and you would change Stark's race for example, or the opposite, then you would make a discrimination.

no, because again - his race is important to his character considering the bad guy in the current arc is:

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no, because again - his race is important to his character considering the bad guy in the current arc is:

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I said in the movies.
There is no racial discrimination against white actors in Hollywood.

I didn't said that there is a racial discrimination against white actors in Hollywood, I said that when somebody accepts one change, he has to accept another, unless (and thanks for the remark) there can't be a change because of story reasons.
 

Blader

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When someone accepts the change X of a character, but doesn't accept the change Y (you can insert anything you want in X and Y), then you make a discrimination against the people with the characteristic Y. That's my point. I don't care if the people behind something are white or black.

Casting a black actor to play a white character is not discriminating against white people.

And you should care. This "I don't see white or black" colorblind nonsense might sound nice and progressive in your head, but it all does is turn a blind eye to actual racial discrimination.

I didn't said that there is a racial discrimination against white actors in Hollywood, I said that when somebody accepts one change, he has to accept another, unless (and thanks for the remark) there can't be a change because of story reasons.

Accepting black actors playing white characters is not the same thing as accepting white actors playing black characters. Representation for blacks and minorities in Hollywood is historically (and still currently) so poor that giving black roles to white actors demonstrably hurts visibility and representation for minority communities. No white person is in any way demonstrably hurt by having a traditionally white character played by a black or brown actor.
 
She's not dyeing her hair red guys. There's already on set photos of her:

Most of these photos were from the first week (or first day) of shooting. I haven't seen set photos of her in a month or more, certainly not since the Homecoming dance was filmed inside.

I think it's safe to say there's still a chance, not that it really matters to me personally.
 
I said in the movies.


I didn't said that there is a racial discrimination against white actors in Hollywood, I said that when somebody accepts one change, he has to accept another, unless (and thanks for the remark) there can't be a change because of story reasons.
That's not true, though. No matter what you feel. One is not equal to the other.
 
I hope she shaves her head at this point. Now nobody get what they want.

But will she have her hourglass figure. I too want to talk about sexy teens.
 

Not Spaceghost

Spaceghost
I think she's a really great choice for a cocky MJ who likes to take charge of her situation.

But I won't lie, I'm a little disappointed she won't at least dye a strip of her hair red.

Red hair is just iconic to MJ, it's like iron man without the face plate design.
 
Casting a black actor to play a white character is not discriminating against white people.

And you should care. This "I don't see white or black" colorblind nonsense might sound nice and progressive in your head, but it all does is turn a blind eye to actual racial discrimination.



Accepting black actors playing white characters is not the same thing as accepting white actors playing black characters. Representation for blacks and minorities in Hollywood is historically (and still currently) so poor that giving black roles to white actors demonstrably hurts visibility and representation for minority communities. No white person is in any way demonstrably hurt by having a traditionally white character played by a black or brown actor.
If somebody wants to fight racism against black people or women or someone else, then the solution isn't to make a discrimination against the race or the gender who has never faced racism, but to find ways that can show people that we are all equals.
That's not true, though. No matter what you feel. One is not equal to the other.
I get that many black people has suffered because of discriminations, but that's an argument on why we should fight every discrimination.
 
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