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Zenless Zone Zero ༺*|OT|*༻ Gotta Waifu 'Em All ♡(੭´͈ ᐜ `͈)੭♡

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Btw miyabi is getting a new disc set catered specifically for her in 1.4
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Is it legit? Oh well, I guess my current set will have to do until I get pretty good new one then. I'm not wasting my time in the tower beyond 15th lvl so... I think I'll be fine.
 

ap_puff

Banned
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Is it legit? Oh well, I guess my current set will have to do until I get pretty good new one then. I'm not wasting my time in the tower beyond 15th lvl so... I think I'll be fine.




Also I expect that Polar metal won't be that good for miyabi unless you have yanagi as it only buffs basic and dash attacks, probably woodpecker or hormone punk are her best sets rn

Also you can tell the set is specifically for miyabi as her little eyeball ghost thing is on the graphic and her Anomaly Mastery happens to be just enough to trigger the effect lol
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo




Also I expect that Polar metal won't be that good for miyabi unless you have yanagi as it only buffs basic and dash attacks, probably woodpecker or hormone punk are her best sets rn

Also you can tell the set is specifically for miyabi as her little eyeball ghost thing is on the graphic and her Anomaly Mastery happens to be just enough to trigger the effect lol

Honestly, these new discs are kinda crap imho in comparison to the ones I have. I'll have better buffs and effect's from maxed out Piper's engine.

I mean, 8% of DMG buff only via Quick Support is very specific and means that you have to swap characters constantly to maintain the effect. And the second set... what good 25% of Crit DMG will do if Miyabi is not Crit Rate / DMG character like Zhu and others and have bad Crit Rate? 15% attack buff is good but... again, the old discs are better and if you're not wasting you time in the tower - you'll be fine.

Have her final stat screen leaked already? I'm sure she has Attack and AP as her main buffed stats.
 

ap_puff

Banned
Honestly, these new discs are kinda crap imho in comparison to the ones I have. I'll have better buffs and effect's from maxed out Piper's engine.

I mean, 8% of DMG buff only via Quick Support is very specific and means that you have to swap characters constantly to maintain the effect. And the second set... what good 25% of Crit DMG will do if Miyabi is not Crit Rate / DMG character like Zhu and others and have bad Crit Rate? 15% attack buff is good but... again, the old discs are better and if you're not wasting you time in the tower - you'll be fine.

Have her final stat screen leaked already? I'm sure she has Attack and AP as her main buffed stats.
Miyabi's core passive relies on crit rate, her damage multipliers on her skills are also HUGE so crit rate and crit damage actually boost her damage quite a bit (even though she's labeled anomaly she's more of a hybrid). You want to hit 80% crit rate on her to max her passive.

Btw her disc's 15% attack buff is a 15% final attack buff, so basically a straight 15% damage buff. Final attack buffs are the strongest buff in the game right now.

And no her stats aren't final, I think there are still 1.5 weeks left of beta so there's still a chance for her to change but usually the changes aren't very big this late into the beta
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Miyabi's core passive relies on crit rate, her damage multipliers on her skills are also HUGE so crit rate and crit damage actually boost her damage quite a bit (even though she's labeled anomaly she's more of a hybrid). You want to hit 80% crit rate on her to max her passive.
Yeah, I'm not going to be wasting my time and resources on RNJesus again. I'm totally happy with the set I got and I'm not paying.

Btw her disc's 15% attack buff is a 15% final attack buff, so basically a straight 15% damage buff. Final attack buffs are the strongest buff in the game right now.
Yeah, it's always the last hit or something in ZZZ which is stupid, cuz imho the % should go up with each hit and then blow with the last one, cuz that way you can still crit if you get interrupted mid combo or dodge, but with what they have now there's a chance to waste everything especially during boss fights or battles with elite enemies.

And no her stats aren't final, I think there are still 1.5 weeks left of beta so there's still a chance for her to change but usually the changes aren't very big this late into the beta
Based on what I found on reddit, she really is a Crit Rate / DMG / Anomaly hybrid and they locked Crit Rate stat behind her engine and both disc sets have shit 10% Attack bonus which was made on purpose so that people would throw money on her engine. It also looks like she doesn't even need AP stat boost on the 4th discs cuz of dependency on Crit Rate / DMG instead.

The thing is though, that disc crafting is so shit and so RNJesus dependant (not to mention that half of the disc set basically requires tuning item to get the sats you need and there's like 2-3 of them per update / refresh), that the fact that I got such good old discs set already (except 5 and 6 for now) is a miracle and there's absolutely no way I'm going to be wasting any more of my time and resources on getting the new sets (which I don't think is better, cuz you can get +24% Crit Rate via main and sub stats and on already existing sets). 80% Crit Rate to activate passives though is stupid and dumb af cuz 99% of the player base will never have it (let alone all Mindscapes) so it's pay to win for those with the money, except they win nothing by throwing obscene sums of money at the game and dealing with RNJesus. I'm thinking about replacing 2 AP discs with the Crit Rate ones, but only if I somehow (without wasting energy on getting discs) get them with the same substats as on the ones I have with AP.

The good thing about 1.4 is that it looks like Miyabi will be available for 40 days (instead of just 20 like it was before with every single S rank) along with the second male character I don't care about, so hopefully we all get her before 1.5 and maybe her W-Engine even. The second part of the update will be Zhu's rerun:messenger_relieved:
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
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Out of all the characters I lots 50/50 to (except Rina, love her to death) over the last 2 patches, I won both 75/25 pity and 50/50 at the same time and got WHOM? Fucking male character I could not care less of a shit about✋:messenger_weary:

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I will 1000% won't win the next 50/50 and get Miyabi am I? And all bc of this stupid motherfucker!:messenger_pouting:
 
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Spyxos

Member
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Out of all the characters I lots 50/50 to (except Rina, love her to death) over the last 2 patches, I won both 75/25 pity and 50/50 at the same time and got WHOM? Fucking make character I could not care less of a shit about✋:messenger_weary:

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I will 1000% won't win the next 50/50 and get Miyabi am I? And all bc of this stupid motherfucker!:messenger_pouting:
Wait, but why did you pull him, if you didnt want him? Even if you won 50/50, he surely wasn't cheap.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Wait, but why did pull him, if you didnt want him? Even if you won 50/50, he surely wasn't cheap.
Well, I lost multiple 75/25 and 50/50s in a row, so I though that this time it won't be different and just when I wished to lose again and get a dupe or Rina or S11 cuz I don't need Lighter even for free, I got exact motherfucker I don't need. I wish I could disamntle son of a bitch and get a few tapes back:messenger_downcast_sweat::messenger_pensive:
 
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Doom85

Member
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Um…….I pulled for Lighter (intentionally) and got him . What can I say, his character demo won me over, dude has a fun combat style.

Well, I lost multiple 75/25 and 50/50s in a row, so I though that this time it won't be different and just when I wished to lose again and get a dupe or Rina or S11 cuz I don't need Lighter even for free, I got exact motherfucker I don't need. I wish I could disamntle son of a bitch and get a few tapes back:messenger_downcast_sweat::messenger_pensive:

Never try to out-mindgame the gacha gods, they do not appreciate us mortals pulling stunts like that. I recommend you find a more fitting spot to pull from now on that will please them (because surely you don’t pull at wherever your character just happens to be at that moment, right……right?) and also from now on, every pull you make you should throw your hands in the air like you’re Goku gathering Spirit Bomb energy as the animation plays while you yell, “oh, gacha gods! Show mercy on this soul, and bless me with the character I desire!”

Also, get a custom T-shirt with this movie moment on it and always wear it while pulling as it is the motto of us filthy gacha players hoping to get a 5 star early, as hey, even an incredibly low % drop rate is still a % drop rate:

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There, surely the gacha gods will forgive your transgression with such devotion.

My bad if you’re not in the mood for a little goofy humor, I’m just being silly.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Doom85 Doom85 it's alright my man!:messenger_waving::messenger_grinning_sweat: And thank you for the humor, it helps in situations like this:messenger_smiling_with_eyes:

From this day forward, I will never pull beyond 65 searches if there's male character banner or will try not to pull at all:messenger_relieved:
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Back to the one who actually matters though:messenger_beaming::messenger_smirking:

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I think it's the best I can do for my little fox before launch without having her, her engine, upgrading core passives and skills.

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Also, based on the stats from reddit, when it comes to discs, the difference in DPS is 5-6% at best:messenger_tears_of_joy:, plus there's 57% Crit Rate treshold below which Miyabi will be less effective in combat, so at the minimum we should have 58% Crit Rate. The engine difference is BS as well and only her signature engine is 20-25% better than F2P ones. Anyway, I think I'll be fine with what I've got now. I've got a few more really good disc with Pen Ratio and such in case it'll matter more so I've got more room for improvement. Oh and, forget about pre-farming for boss materials, she'll require completely new one which'll be added with 1.4 launch along with the new boss fight for the second material, so for now we can only pre-farm for levels, skills, discs and engine.
 
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ap_puff

Banned
Back to the one who actually matters though:messenger_beaming::messenger_smirking:

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I think it's the best I can do for my little fox before launch without having her, her engine, upgrading core passives and skills.

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Also, based on the stats from reddit, when it comes to discs, the difference in DPS is 5-6% at best:messenger_tears_of_joy:, plus there's 57% Crit Rate treshold below which Miyabi will be less effective in combat, so at the minimum we should have 58% Crit Rate. The engine difference is BS as well and only her signature engine is 20-25% better than F2P ones. Anyway, I think I'll be fine with what I've got now. I've got a few more really good disc with Pen Ratio and such in case it'll matter more so I've got more room for improvement. Oh and, forget about pre-farming for boss materials, she'll require completely new one which'll be added with 1.4 launch along with the new boss fight for the second material, so for now we can only pre-farm for levels, skills, discs and engine.
I'm hoarding the yellow master discs for the release of the new disc sets and have 18 batteries saved up. I'm gonna get a usable set if its the last thing i do
 

Pejo

Gold Member
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Out of all the characters I lots 50/50 to (except Rina, love her to death) over the last 2 patches, I won both 75/25 pity and 50/50 at the same time and got WHOM? Fucking male character I could not care less of a shit about✋:messenger_weary:

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I will 1000% won't win the next 50/50 and get Miyabi am I? And all bc of this stupid motherfucker!:messenger_pouting:
Classic gacha fallacy of "building pity". It's always a bad idea to roll on a banner where you don't want the character. The 4*s aren't even new or anything, to use that excuse.
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That said, he seems strong at least, and will be more important after the patch drops with the changes to Stun value for normal attacks/non-stun characters. I'm personally holding on to my angry red CEO. She doesn't feel the best to play but her Stun is easy to apply, will be even better when Ult bars aren't shared.

So ZZZ is doing an CN fast food collab with McDonalds. Makes me so mad how shitty our food collabs are in the west.


Then they even do this AR thing in stores.
 

ap_puff

Banned
Doom85 Doom85 it's alright my man!:messenger_waving::messenger_grinning_sweat: And thank you for the humor, it helps in situations like this:messenger_smiling_with_eyes:

From this day forward, I will never pull beyond 65 searches if there's male character banner or will try not to pull at all:messenger_relieved:
Just don't pull on banners for characters you dont want lol
Classic gacha fallacy of "building pity". It's always a bad idea to roll on a banner where you don't want the character. The 4*s aren't even new or anything, to use that excuse.
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That said, he seems strong at least, and will be more important after the patch drops with the changes to Stun value for normal attacks/non-stun characters. I'm personally holding on to my angry red CEO. She doesn't feel the best to play but her Stun is easy to apply, will be even better when Ult bars aren't shared.

So ZZZ is doing an CN fast food collab with McDonalds. Makes me so mad how shitty our food collabs are in the west.


Then they even do this AR thing in stores.

Holy shit if they made an animu waifu AR game that was like pokemon go I'd be in the best shape of my life
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Classic gacha fallacy of "building pity". It's always a bad idea to roll on a banner where you don't want the character.
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That said, he seems strong at least, and will be more important after the patch drops with the changes to Stun value for normal attacks/non-stun characters.
Yeah, but.... I just don't really like his playstyle and the fact that you need to dodge almost constantly to activate his attacks.

I'm personally holding on to my angry red CEO. She doesn't feel the best to play but her Stun is easy to apply, will be even better when Ult bars aren't shared.
My real issue with Koleda is that she's very slow with her normal attacks and it takes a lot of time to land hits on enemies and bosses.
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
My real issue with Koleda is that she's very slow with her normal attacks and it takes a lot of time to land hits on enemies and bosses.
Maybe I'm not playing her optimally, but I just do 2 normals and then use her special. Even without the EX version it does good daze and comes out quick. I find if you do the full combo with the jumping and twirling, it definitely feels worse and is harder to work into harder fights without getting her HP decimated. I refuse to use bara bear for the combo attack, so it is what it is.
 

ap_puff

Banned
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Yeah, but.... I just don't really like his playstyle and the fact that you need to dodge almost constantly to activate his attacks.


My real issue with Koleda is that she's very slow with her normal attacks and it takes a lot of time to land hits on enemies and bosses.
You're not supposed to play Lighter primarily onfield, he's off field and you use energy on other agents to build his meter, or you can perfect assist to him
Maybe I'm not playing her optimally, but I just do 2 normals and then use her special. Even without the EX version it does good daze and comes out quick. I find if you do the full combo with the jumping and twirling, it definitely feels worse and is harder to work into harder fights without getting her HP decimated. I refuse to use bara bear for the combo attack, so it is what it is.
I think koleda is supposed to do dodge counters as her main thing, and do the 4hit normal attack string and swap off while she's mid-air on the 4th attack, swapping back to her when she hits. Then 2hit EX when she has the energy
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
You're not supposed to play Lighter primarily onfield, he's off field and you use energy on other agents to build his meter, or you can perfect assist to him

I think koleda is supposed to do dodge counters as her main thing, and do the 4hit normal attack string and swap off while she's mid-air on the 4th attack, swapping back to her when she hits. Then 2hit EX when she has the energy
Do characters not take damage if you swap out while they're continuing their animation? I might have to try that. Dodge counter is how I play Anby, but her attacks are faster and something didn't feel right with the playstyle when I tried with Koleda, but I'm open to trying again.
 

ap_puff

Banned
Do characters not take damage if you swap out while they're continuing their animation? I might have to try that. Dodge counter is how I play Anby, but her attacks are faster and something didn't feel right with the playstyle when I tried with Koleda, but I'm open to trying again.
Depends on the attack. normally no but I'm pretty sure koleda has invulnerability when she's in the air, and it's such a long animation that you can fit another character's attack in while she's doing it
 
Maybe I'm not playing her optimally, but I just do 2 normals and then use her special. Even without the EX version it does good daze and comes out quick.
as with most characters, she's invincible when in the air, and she can basically bounce multiple times after one EX, also her dodge attack takes up a lot of invincible time and is a good way to also build daze/burn.
koleda is a pretty safe character because of this.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
You're not supposed to play Lighter primarily onfield
Afaik he can fuck right off 24/7:messenger_beaming:

I think koleda is supposed to do dodge counters as her main thing, and do the 4hit normal attack string and swap off while she's mid-air on the 4th attack, swapping back to her when she hits. Then 2hit EX when she has the energy
Koleda plays well with Lucy btw, you can trigger her spinning attack and continue attacking right after Lucy launches one of the little piggy of hers:messenger_smiling_with_eyes:

P.S. New promo code: VOIDHUNTER

1.4 looks promising in terms of story and everything except some boring events as usual and tower defense thing. Also, are they reading our thread or not? Cuz I swear that I wrote here about what they should do to replace the TV stuff and add gameplay sections with Eous in the story and look, they actually did it to replace the TV stuff. WTF?👈:messenger_open_mouth:🫱

More 1.4 info here - https://zenless.hoyoverse.com/en-us/news/127294
 
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Thick Thighs Save Lives

NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
It looks like HoYo will be adding proper PS5 Pro support with the 1.4 patch that's coming on Dec 18. 👀

CC Nankatsu Nankatsu

Enhanced graphics and tactile combat on PS5 Pro

Our game comes to PS5 Pro with major enhancements in both performance and visual presentation. With the PS5 Pro’s upgraded GPU and support for High Frequency mode, we’ve achieved native 4K resolution and 60 FPS simultaneously with the average frame rate increasing by nearly ten frames. Whether you’re exploring the vibrant world of New Eridu or engaging in intense battles, the enhanced performance on the PS5 Pro ensures that your adventure is seamless and exhilarating.

To deliver stunning visuals, version 1.4 of Zenless Zone Zero introduces exciting engine features, particularly ray tracing, newly optimized specifically for the PS5 Pro. The PS5 Pro version resolves reflection issues for off-screen objects and enhances indirect highlights for significant improvements in reflections on mirrors, water surfaces, puddles, and other metallic or glossy materials. We’ve also improved the rendering of strong light in darker areas, the real-time response to indirect diffuse lighting, and added occlusion effects between objects. Along with support for HDR and VRR, the graphics now offer higher rendering precision and enhanced tessellation, making your journey through New Eridu even more immersive.



Beyond the overall improvements in visuals and performance, we’re particularly enthused to share the optimizations we’ve made for DualSense wireless controllers, which feature effective haptic feedback capabilities. We’ve tailored the vibration feedback for different combat actions, such as Basic and Special Attacks, providing a nuanced tactile experience for immersive combat. With these enhancements and the new gameplay experiences introduced in version 1.4, get ready to feel the exhilarated tension of every hit at your fingertips!

 
Ya Lighter banner is kind of just a wait period for me until Miyabi, also I got so many new games from various Black Friday deals that I’ve been extra busy with them.
Hardly been touching any of my gachas lately. Also really down about Mav in Genshin, and couldn’t care less about Sunday in Star Rail, so all that combined with tons of new games means my attention has been elsewhere. Also Marvel Rivals dropped and that’s been good fun, played a bit last night and plan to grind it out this weekend and make a final decision on how much time I will put into it going forward.

That new game Ananta looks pretty amazing at least based on that new trailer, and then there’s also POE2… there’s no shortage of games, but days remain 24 hours


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Nothing against Lighter actually, he’s been fun to play in his side story, but I’m saving all polys for Miyabi
 
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They are going all in making hollow zero like elysian realm with that shadows lost frontline gear stuff, those are basically signets of ego.
The tower defense stuff looks like they are doing more game within a game stuff like in honkai as well.
Brawlerboo is the DBZ bangboo and might be the first A rank I take to 60.
Pejo Pejo it looks like they are adding a "stylish" system to increase scores with the new deadly assault mode, it's still timed but your score increases based on actively using mechanics.

Looks like 1.4 will be packed with new things
 

Aenima

Member
So harumasa is indeed free, looks like seth's w-engine is on that w-engine banner, will see if I can try and get it.
Both Seth and Seth Engine can drop from the limited and normal banners. I got recently a Seth from the normal banner, and a seth engine while pulling in Yanagi banner.
 

Aenima

Member
yes of course, but it's stupid to summon for a specific engine if it's not rated up because it's competing with everything else on the banner then.
Yeah, but what i mean, is that thers no real need to spend currency in a engine banner just to aim for the Seth engine cuz eventually it will drop while you pulling for something else as the engine can drop from character banners as well. But if you really feel the need to get his engine and dups for it, then yeah, the rate up banner will get u there faster. Personally i see it as a waste, unless you are interested in the Banner engine as well.
 
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ap_puff

Banned
Yeah, but what i mean, is that thers no real need to spend currency in a engine banner just to aim for the Seth engine cuz eventually it will drop while you pulling for something else as the engine can drop from character banners as well.
Depends on how much you want him, genshin players will tell you how much of a pain it was to get the launch 4*s maxed out just by random pulls.
 

Aenima

Member
Depends on how much you want him, genshin players will tell you how much of a pain it was to get the launch 4*s maxed out just by random pulls.
In genshin every banner added a new 4 star character to the normal banner, decreasing the chances of maxing out characters outside rate up banners. In ZZZ they only added one 4 star character to the game so far after launch. I already have almost all my A rank chars maxed out without trying to maxing them.
 
Yeah, but what i mean, is that thers no real need to spend currency in a engine banner just to aim for the Seth engine cuz eventually it will drop while you pulling for something else as the engine can drop from character banners as well.
Or it never drops because random is random; I still don't have a lot of w-engines for many A rank agents, if I'm gonna sit here and gamble for a specific one to drop while it's not rated up, I could be waiting till version 4.4.
 

ap_puff

Banned
In genshin every banner added a new 4 star character to the normal banner, decreasing the chances of maxing out characters outside rate up banners. In ZZZ they only added one 4 star character to the game so far after launch. I already have almost all my A rank chars maxed out without trying to maxing them.
Well yeah but the engines are a different story, i pulled specifically for lucy's engine and didn't max it on-banner, and i keep getting dupes of engines I don't want off-banner.
 

Aenima

Member
Or it never drops because random is random; I still don't have a lot of w-engines for many A rank agents, if I'm gonna sit here and gamble for a specific one to drop while it's not rated up, I could be waiting till version 4.4.
Yeah, RNG can be a bitch.
 

Nankatsu

Member
It looks like HoYo will be adding proper PS5 Pro support with the 1.4 patch that's coming on Dec 18. 👀

CC Nankatsu Nankatsu

Enhanced graphics and tactile combat on PS5 Pro

Our game comes to PS5 Pro with major enhancements in both performance and visual presentation. With the PS5 Pro’s upgraded GPU and support for High Frequency mode, we’ve achieved native 4K resolution and 60 FPS simultaneously with the average frame rate increasing by nearly ten frames. Whether you’re exploring the vibrant world of New Eridu or engaging in intense battles, the enhanced performance on the PS5 Pro ensures that your adventure is seamless and exhilarating.

To deliver stunning visuals, version 1.4 of Zenless Zone Zero introduces exciting engine features, particularly ray tracing, newly optimized specifically for the PS5 Pro. The PS5 Pro version resolves reflection issues for off-screen objects and enhances indirect highlights for significant improvements in reflections on mirrors, water surfaces, puddles, and other metallic or glossy materials. We’ve also improved the rendering of strong light in darker areas, the real-time response to indirect diffuse lighting, and added occlusion effects between objects. Along with support for HDR and VRR, the graphics now offer higher rendering precision and enhanced tessellation, making your journey through New Eridu even more immersive.



Beyond the overall improvements in visuals and performance, we’re particularly enthused to share the optimizations we’ve made for DualSense wireless controllers, which feature effective haptic feedback capabilities. We’ve tailored the vibration feedback for different combat actions, such as Basic and Special Attacks, providing a nuanced tactile experience for immersive combat. With these enhancements and the new gameplay experiences introduced in version 1.4, get ready to feel the exhilarated tension of every hit at your fingertips!



Did I get tagged by accident? I don't play ZZZ.

I'm a Wuwa representative

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Still Hoyoverse support on Sony consoles is godtier.
 
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Thick Thighs Save Lives

NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Did I get tagged by accident? I don't play ZZZ.

I'm a Wuwa representative

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Still Hoyoverse support on Sony consoles is godtier.
Whoops. I thought you were also interested in hearing news about any PS5 Pro patch coming for ZZZ in case you might wanted to try the game out. My bad. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Bu yeah, crossing my fingers that the WuWa console version will be good once it launches early next month.
 

Wonko_C

Member
I filled out the latest ZZZ survey only to get to the suggestions box and beg them for VR support (in 3rd person)... and I'll do it every survey until I can walk around with my waif-er, the environments in real-life scale.
 
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