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Pejo

Gold Member
Did Genshin redeem itself after the Dr. Ratio controversy? Where after the generous free Dr. Ratio 5 star given to Star Rail players after the TGA win, many players started realizing how stingy Genshin is in comparison and tons of content creators were calling them out. It also didn’t help this was right as Penacony was about to start in Star Rail which virtually everyone was pumped for, so Genshin was in a real bad light in comparison at that time.
Yea they addressed it this year in Genshin's anniversary. This year and every subsequent year they will give out a 5* selector on top of the other rewards. Kinda dumb it took them this long to get there, but whatever.
Regardless, most people I know consider Star Rail to generally have a more interesting narrative and world compared to Genshin. And so many of the features between both games seem to generally be better received in Star Rail. Like, when they recently announced the MC would finally be getting a personal room on the Star Rail Express, most reactions were basically:

“Guys, don’t get hyped, we’ve seen this ‘announcement’ before, it’s just going to be the fucking Genshin tea set shit again…….wait, it’s a legit full-sized room?! A massive room we can customize?! Holy shit!”
But the actual room in Star Rail is kinda shitty. There's only one layout and the customization is only placing various knickknacks in different spots (the knickknacks themselves are all the same too). Genshin teapot is 100x more customizable and robust than the HSR room (so far at least). HSR also powercreeps a LOT faster, so maybe that's the secret to the revenue.
Star Rail also added items that let you pick your relic’s sub stats far more quickly than Genshin did. I think there’s a bunch of other features players have said Star Rail got to faster, or Genshin hasn’t even implemented yet, but I can’t recall them all at the moment.

Also, Star Rail doesn’t have Paimon, so that’s also a huge improvement for me personally.

Sorry, don’t meant to bash Genshin, I just personally got bored with it pretty quickly, whereas Star Rail has kept me invested most of the time, and the recent tease for 3.0 is BIG.
Maybe. I don't particularly care for most of the HSR character designs and the zoomer cringe dialogue is a big detractor for me, but I'm sure zoomers like it, maybe that's the other secret sauce.

Yeah, all these resources will be given to Miyabi. Harumasa will be lvl 1 forever, unless they'll force us to use two Electric teams in SD at lvl 70 or somethin'.
From what I read from the leaks, Harumasa is pretty shit as a character, so ignoring type weakness would probably even be better than wasting all the time gearing and building him just to get terrible results. No shame if somebody likes him and wants to use him though. I still use Anby and Corin where I can despite them both being heavily outclassed in their roles just because I like them.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Here's some official marketing for her too. Ether type supporter, looks like.

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Thick Thighs Save Lives

NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
On my base PS5 all fights run smooth, if there was drops during the Lighetr missions, i didnt noticed them. Only walking in Lumina Square i notice lower frame rate. Also most of the times at the start of a new battle when the camera is showing our character it usually stutters, but when the battle starts i never noticed frame drops.
Thanks! There might be something weird with my game or current setup then. Or maybe I just got too used to playing on PC where it's locked to 60 all the time. I'll reinstall the game later today to see if it has any effect.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Here's some official marketing for her too. Ether type supporter, looks like.

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Ether support?:messenger_hushed: Really?:messenger_dizzy:
Don't we have Nicole for that already? What's the point?:messenger_tears_of_joy:🫴
I mean, Nicole is absolute dogshit in combat, yeah, but I think anomaly agent could've helped Ether team a lot more than another support agent with shit DMG output, not to mention disorder triggers and such🤔
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
Ether support?:messenger_hushed: Really?:messenger_dizzy:
Don't we have Nicole for that already? What's the point?:messenger_tears_of_joy:🫴
I mean, Nicole is absolute dogshit in combat, yeah, but I think anomaly agent could've helped Ether team a lot more than another support agent with shit DMG output, not to mention disorder triggers and such🤔
Normally I'd agree with you, but based on Jane/Caesar/Yanagi, type and element doesn't mean much. If HoYo wants to make her busted, they'll find a way regardless. I was down hard on Defense characters in general, but Caesar is crazy valuable and easy to use, Jane and Yanagi are currently the best DPS in the game despite being Anomaly. Yao might end up being universal BiS support for a while or something.

That said, yea, it'd be nice if they expanded the element/role matrix a bit instead of straight up powercreeping existing characters with established roles.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Normally I'd agree with you, but based on Jane/Caesar/Yanagi, type and element doesn't mean much.
The thing about Ether is that we only have 2 agents with this DMG type (Zhu for Attack and Nicole as a support) and I just can't see how just one and another support agent can turn things around for the Ether team in SD, Tower and new stuff in 1.4. There's literally no Stun character with the same DMG type and they're not pairing Ether with Electric agents and doing it for Ice agents instead for 4,5 months. Activating all passive bonuses also helps a lot, but it's doing nothing if you add Quingy into the mix cuz you need an Ice agent and so on. They need to rework this passive bonus system and make it more flexible, maybe include Bangboos as well and give them additional passive bonus to contribute to the team.

If HoYo wants to make her busted, they'll find a way regardless. I was down hard on Defense characters in general, but Caesar is crazy valuable and easy to use, Jane and Yanagi are currently the best DPS in the game despite being Anomaly. Yao might end up being universal BiS support for a while or something.

That said, yea, it'd be nice if they expanded the element/role matrix a bit instead of straight up powercreeping existing characters with established roles.
So where do you think leaks will happen from 1.5? Closer to the end of next week after 1.4 launch? It'll be interesting to see Astra's fighting style and what she can do in combat.
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
The thing about Ether is that we only have 2 agents with this DMG type (Zhu for Attack and Nicole as a support) and I just can't see how just one and another support agent can turn things around for the Ether team in SD, Tower and new stuff in 1.4. There's literally no Stun character with the same DMG type and they're not pairing Ether with Electric agents and doing it for Ice agents instead for 4,5 months. Activating all passive bonuses also helps a lot, but it's doing nothing if you add Quingy into the mix cuz you need an Ice agent and so on. They need to rework this passive bonus system and make it more flexible, maybe include Bangboos as well and give them additional passive bonus to contribute to the team.
Qingyi works in that team though because she pairs with Zhu Yuan for the Pubsec passive trait. So Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Yao might be a new Ether meta team for instance. They're changing stun values, decibel and energy rates, etc, so I think we'll just need to play around and see what the new era looks like as far as combat teams. Also Qingyi's trait works with any attacker, I believe, so she's universally a good stunner.

I can't lie though, I wish Yao was Ether Anomaly. I dislike Zhu Yuan and her dependence on Ether bullets to do any real damage. Maybe her bodyguard in the pantsuit will be Ether damage of some sort to go along with her.
So where do you think leaks will happen from 1.5? Closer to the end of next week after 1.4 launch? It'll be interesting to see Astra's fighting style and what she can do in combat.
Yea the beta typically starts the same week a new patch drops I think, so we can probably expect leaks around that time.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Qingyi works in that team though because she pairs with Zhu Yuan for the Pubsec passive trait.
Oh, I know that, but enemies are weak to Ice and Ether DMG, not Electric.
Here's the thing, it's no big deal even if you're just surviving in combat, but if there's a timer and you're aiming for S rank, there's Lyacon who's also a great stunner and he's an Ice agent.

So Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Yao might be a new Ether meta team for instance. They're changing stun values, decibel and energy rates, etc, so I think we'll just need to play around and see what the new era looks like as far as combat teams. Also Qingyi's trait works with any attacker, I believe, so she's universally a good stunner.
I don't think it's only about being a good stunner, it's about matching the agents DMG type to enemy weakness and will it actually matter and work like in Pesona games or not starting with 1.4, cuz so far it was all over the place and not working correctly all the time if at all imho, which is something they need work hard on to improve overal combat gameplay and experience.

Oh and just in case not everyone is following the leaks and such, Miyabi buffed main stats are Crit Rate / DMG and Attack, so plan your prefarm and crafting accordingly. Plus, the new disc set meant for Miyabi only works best if you have her engine, otherwise and if you don't have her engine it's not worth it and the old Ice and Crit disc sets are the best picks. Since it's so late for any major changes and 1.4 launch is so close, it is safe to assume that it's all more or less final and I doubt they'll change anything now.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Are you sure about that?
It's based on the latest beta version.

In the current version of the game and in 1.4, there's simply no good F2P engine for Miyabi at all to utilize some of her potential even without mindscapes and at the base level, cuz she relies heavily on Crit Rate to maximize anomaly buildup etc. and it is the only engine in the game with Crit Rate stat for anomaly agents as well as Ice DMG bonuses. And the new disc set not only favours Crit DMG as the main boosted stat, but also relies on applying various anomaly effects like shatter of freeze to increase Crit Rate even furter by additional 12% + to the engine's 25% and whatever you have on the discs as substats.

So, her engine is the quickest and the best way to utilize everything Miyabi has to offer aside from her mindscapes which are ridiculously overpowered btw. If you don't have her engine, additinal 12% Crit Rate from the disc set won't do much and you'll be lucky to get a minimum of 58% Crit Rate required (which I do for now), but if you'll add her engine with additional 25% you'll be well into the 80s (+16% Crit DMG from disc set) and here's where she'll shine the most without mindscapes. Moreover, you won't have to rely on BS timed buffs to Crit Rate anymore cuz she'll have 80+ Crit Rate as a starting point already and everything which'll be added on top of that will be a nice bonus. But even at 80+ locked Crit Rate she turns into a one man army agent essentially and if you'll add Yanagi to the mix...

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...it'll be a constant disorder, anomaly triggers and mass extermination:messenger_smiling_horns:

Btw, how's everyone's savings for our little fox look like at this point in time?:messenger_grinning:

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Since I've decent paycheck this month and almost half of the next month I won't be even working due to holidays and in just two days after that the next paycheck will be added to my card so, well, I thrown some money at MHY and after 1.4 launches, I'll have ~125 pulls ready to go at the end of the week with all free polys added and 10 free tapes and if you'll add 20+K 1.4 polys to that, well, hopefully I'll get her engine by the end of the month🤞:messenger_relieved:
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
Bit of a rant here, it ended up longer than I expected when I started typing the post.

Just finished Lighter's mini event before time ran out on the limited time rewards. Man they did him dirty. His promo video showed a whole tease of a story with his old pre-Calydon friends and made it look like it was going to be a bittersweet tale of his past mixed in with where he's at now. Instead we got "so I walked in and started punching" 10x and then a quick epilogue where he talks briefly about his past while displaying a .jpg of him without a shirt on.

I thought Yanagi's mini story event also wasn't great for character development, but at least she got some dynamic story bits. Lighter's was all just punch punch punch punch. The sidescrolling beat'em up stuff was fun for a fight or two, but it kinda overstayed its welcome.

They really need to step up these character story quests a bit. The launch ones were better than the last few I've played, and you mostly don't learn anything new about the characters that you didn't already know going in. They seem to bury the interesting lore under random events and their promo vids. I learned about Yanagi through one of those random daily bond events that she wears glasses because she had surgery on her eyes to allow her to see things that normal humans can't (Miyabi's sword strikes as an example). This causes her to occasionally go blind for an hour or so where she just stands in place and panics but doesn't tell anyone that it's happening. Like where was that in her character story? What about when she found Soukaku and "adopted" her from the oni thirens.

I think ZZZ a lot of the time focuses on the wrong things, and maybe that's why the game is struggling a bit. I like the combat as much as the next guy, but you need high quality content that isn't combat to even things out and prevent burnout. The lore is already created and pretty interesting, but instead of giving us a nice voiced story quest, they just throw us in one of the same 10 arenas with two of the same 10 minibosses and pump the HP up to 11.

Same goes for the main story. We've barely done anything since the start of the game besides run errands and take misc proxy jobs for events and shit. The 'main' plot only got one nudge forward when we found out about the siblings' origins from that brief talk with Miyabi at the fence. Fairy pretty much took over for them anyways from a lore standpoint, so we're not even seeing what the siblings are truly capable of anymore. They just "Fairy, you take care of it" their way out of bad situations. That's why I think cutting too much TV mode out is really bad for the game. That was the siblings' mode where they can actually contribute to the game in some way, when you take control of Eous and do the puzzles/guiding of the agents. After that's gone, what is the fucking point of Belle/Wise?

I know they've been working on changing the gameplay systems quite a bit and adding a lot of QoL/player requested features for 1.4, but I hope their vision of the game expands past what it currently is once they get the base game sorted out.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Pejo Pejo duuuuude...

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I wrote them a ton of text via survey exactly about all this and many other things so I hope they'll listen and change things for the better asap.
 
Just finished Lighter's mini event before time ran out on the limited time rewards. Man they did him dirty. His promo video showed a whole tease of a story with his old pre-Calydon friends and made it look like it was going to be a bittersweet tale of his past mixed in with where he's at now. Instead we got "so I walked in and started punching" 10x and then a quick epilogue where he talks briefly about his past while displaying a .jpg of him without a shirt on.

Agreed. i was so disappointed with his story, in the promo they showed his underground boxing and i immediately thought about megalo box anime

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so i was expecting a deep sad story with many twists and turns but at the end we got this shallow boring story.

their loss. i was planning to get him if his story was great but he was just bait for the fujoshi crowd. sad!

anyway, here are some good news. a new tweet from queen Astra!!

 

Pejo

Gold Member
Evelyn looking good



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Huh, Fire Attacker wasn't on my bingo card, but whatever. S11 kinda sucks, so even though there's already a 5* in the niche, this is probably a good thing overall. I'm assuming she's gonna be 5*, but it'd be interesting if she was a 4*. We're kinda due one, with Seth being the last one and most people probably having at least most of the existing 4*s at full cinema unlocks by now. I bet Harumasa was going to be a 4* but they gave him a star bump and said "look how cool we are giving him for free!" No way to know but I hope they don't just stop releasing 4*s.

I noticed the overall theme of the image is purple, which lines up with 4* stuff, so I wonder.

Just had a chance to watch this, really damn good.

This kinda illustrates my point though, why the fuck is this not in the game? At the very least they could let you watch it from a YouTube player somewhere in the new event menu when the patch drops. Just such a waste to have this bit of story and personality locked behind a promo video. This should be part of her story quest, not carrying 20 buckets of cheeseburgers through Lumina Square with a Bangboo or something stupid like that.
 

Spyxos

Member
Huh, Fire Attacker wasn't on my bingo card, but whatever. S11 kinda sucks, so even though there's already a 5* in the niche, this is probably a good thing overall. I'm assuming she's gonna be 5*, but it'd be interesting if she was a 4*. We're kinda due one, with Seth being the last one and most people probably having at least most of the existing 4*s at full cinema unlocks by now. I bet Harumasa was going to be a 4* but they gave him a star bump and said "look how cool we are giving him for free!" No way to know but I hope they don't just stop releasing 4*s.

I noticed the overall theme of the image is purple, which lines up with 4* stuff, so I wonder.

Just had a chance to watch this, really damn good.

This kinda illustrates my point though, why the fuck is this not in the game? At the very least they could let you watch it from a YouTube player somewhere in the new event menu when the patch drops. Just such a waste to have this bit of story and personality locked behind a promo video. This should be part of her story quest, not carrying 20 buckets of cheeseburgers through Lumina Square with a Bangboo or something stupid like that.
I automatically thought that she was an S rank. She's far too detailed for an A rank. Of course, it would be great if we finally had more A ranks. Did Seth have a purple background? I can't remember.

There should be a TV for all those character videos in Random Play, they're far too good.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Evelyn looking good
Now this is a lot more interesting, even though I already have S11 (her group for sure will be important in the future, so I won't be giving up on her) Evelin looks fantastic and right up my alley. Can't wait to see her playstyle. It looks like she'll be Crit Rate / DMG agent so I'll just give all my S11 discs to her.
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
To my tastes, I haven't truly liked a design since Yanagi. I'm only pulling Miyabi for her sick SFX and supposed strength. The 2 newly announced girls aren't really in my wheelhouse, but it's nice to see people like them.

I'm waiting for the eventual sexy nun character. Every gacha gets one, one day. Maybe I'll get a whole organization of hot battle nuns.
 
Now this is a lot more interesting, even though I already have S11 (her group for sure will be important in the future, so I won't be giving up on her) Evelin looks fantastic and right up my alley. Can't wait to see her playstyle. It looks like she'll be Crit Rate / DMG agent so I'll just give all my S11 discs to her.

Her playstyle already got leaked, looks really fun.



I'm waiting for the eventual sexy nun character. Every gacha gets one, one day. Maybe I'll get a whole organization of hot battle nuns.
Lucia is going to empty so many wallets when she release haha. just look at the perfection :messenger_beaming:

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Pejo

Gold Member
Lucia is going to empty so many wallets when she release haha. just look at the perfection :messenger_beaming:

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That's lucia, leaked a long time ago
Damn, how did I miss this?

That's firmly in my strike zone. Whew. Was her faction leaked or is there any more info?

Also yea that gameplay helps build a case for Evelyn. Glad she loses the coat during gameplay, and the animations are great. Might pick her up after all. Poor Yao looks purposefully clunky to play like Rina. Dunno why they make characters that are anti-fun like that, regardless of how good or bad their kits are.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Faction was unknown, some kind of cult faction, element maybe fire
there were some animations
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So it looks like her leaks were back in June 2024, but I found some more info. Supposedly she's a Physical type charge character that gets super armor/damage reduction while charging. Not my favorite gameplay style, especially in a game that's mostly about dodges and counters, but we'll see how it works. To me it sounds like a Defender or Stunner type kit, but they're saying Attacker. Again, these leaks are quite old now, so who knows how much is correct.

I got this info here, so who knows if they're true or correct.
 

Aenima

Member
Just notived they are already starting with the double banners.

Yanagi depleted all my polycromes, so how much polys did i managed to save during the entire time Yanagi banner was up + the entire time Lighter banner was up. Was it 40 days? Doing all the dailies, weaklies, getting everething from events and new content, well, 9k polys,. Not even enough to garantee the 1st 50-50 pitty.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
Looks like another HoYo game is seeing the effects of the EN voice actor's strike bullshit. ZZZ mostly made it out clean until this patch.



Also they're adding patented CN game upskirt transparency filter protection now that we can move around town as any character.

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Harumasa's gameplay is pretty dope, I like how he can zoom in for melee hits.

got seth's w-engine to 3 and got lucy's w-engine to 5, had neither, also got harumasa's w-engine.
lost the 50/50 on miyabi's banner two multi's in, got lycaon, didn't have him yet so that's fine, looks like I might get miyabi guaranteed before the next version, no w-engine though.
 
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Thick Thighs Save Lives

NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I'm still updating, but they went even more aggressive with the new added transparency filter than even Genshin does, and that's much more of a "family" game than ZZZ.

Man I'm so tired of crap like this. Wish all gacha games were 18+ to play. Kids shouldn't be e-gambling anyways.

Very disappointing stuff from HoYo here considering how they market this game.
 
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