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[BlackOlivesMatter]

Wow. What a brave and tearful confessional about, how bad a suicide victim treated me.

Is this asshole for real? It hasn't been a week since Alec Holowka died and all he's sharing here is what an asshole the guy was. Rather than remembering the deceased he's slandering him in an effort to gain a pity party.

Fuck this guy. That is now how you give a due to the dead.

Gotta spin the narrative to save Queen Zoe. She's got Patreon money to collect.

 

[Hudo]

It's straight up cultural warfare. Orwell found this out the hard way back in the 30's. He used to be all in favour of a universal "correct" language until he realised people are insane and will use it to root out their enemies.

Wow. I haven't heard of that. But yeah, it seems to be a given that one would abuse language to drive political agenda, like any medium really. It's just that I haven't really looked at language itself as a medium. But it totally makes sense.

 

[Nickolaidas]

On an unrelated side note, having read all of these makes me wonder if people are more prone to having mental issues nowadays? Or at least some kind of erratic behaviors? I feel like I'm seeing too much right now of the ugly world.

Personally, I think some of us are fragile like glass, while others are hard as iron. There are people who won't be able to sleep because you called them 'dummy', and people who will be okay with you despite you talking shit in front of them.

Extremes are bad, but some people are unfortunately raised in a way that they end up becoming more fragile or more insensitive than they should be.

Moderation is everything. And I ain't talking about forums.

 

[Ellis]

Did Era actually nuke the thread ?

 

[Nickolaidas]

Wow. What a brave and tearful confessional about, how bad a suicide victim treated me.

Is this asshole for real? It hasn't been a week since Alec Holowka died and all he's sharing here is what an asshole the guy was. Rather than remembering the deceased he's slandering him in an effort to gain a pity party.

Fuck this guy. That is not how you give a due to the dead.

Playing devil's advocate here, but I don't think he says that Alec was an asshole, but rather, a sick man in need of help whose demons hurt the people near him as well. That's my take, at least.

 

[TheWanderingOgre]

Imagine if it was the other way around and someone had accused Zoe of something then people had harassed her into suicide. They would definitely blame the accuser first of all, along with all the harassers.
But if its them who cause it then its all just an unfortunate incident and the real victim is actually the accuser.

Very good point.

I usually use this logic. Invert roles to see if something is right.

I cant believe that, if that was the case, regardless of the accusations and how true or false they rang, the gaming media would say "Zoey Quinn has died" and leave it at that.

Something is very wrong in the gaming scene.

Its in these times I like being a loner.

 

[Enjay]

Wow. What a brave and tearful confessional about, how bad a suicide victim treated me.

Is this asshole for real? It hasn't been a week since Alec Holowka died and all he's sharing here is what an asshole the guy was. Rather than remembering the deceased he's slandering him in an effort to gain a pity party.

Fuck this guy. That is not how you give a due to the dead.

He's most likely terrified of being next and now I couldn't care less if he was.

 

[JORMBO]

Did Era actually nuke the thread ?

No. They closed it a few days ago but did not completed remove it.

Alec Holowka (Night in the Woods, TowerFall) accused of sexual assault [Update: Alec Holowka has reportedly passed away] [See staff posts/threadmarks]

(CW: graphic descriptions of abuse) Jesus. Hopefully we're beginning to see some of these scummy people in game dev have to face consequences for their actions. I hope it's not as widespread as it is in other entertainment industries.

www.resetera.com

 

[DonF]

Scott Benson (NiTW co-creator) has more words to say about Alec. Make of it what you will. I don't think this has been posted here yet. And here's an archive in case of deletion or re-editing. I don't know about this. I can believe everything he's saying but I kind wish this could've waited a week until maybe, y'know, Alec Holowka actually got buried?

I read all of that and It doesnt make sense to me.
He is like "Alec was a friend, he was very smart and focused, this gave me ptsd. I survived him" and also describes crunch time in the game industry as something that broke him.
I truly don't get it.
Why ? Just to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I read all of that and It doesnt make sense to me.
He is like "Alec was a friend, he was very smart and focused, this gave me ptsd. I survived him" and also describes crunch time in the game industry as something that broke him.
I truly don't get it.
Why ? Just to jump on the bandwagon.

It's not at all unusual when you view it through the paradigm that they are a cult. Similar behavior was observed among the bolsheviks who turned on former comrades, before they themselves were paraded in show trials and sent away, too.

 

[Ogbert]

Wow. I haven't heard of that. But yeah, it seems to be a given that one would abuse language to drive political agenda, like any medium really. It's just that I haven't really looked at language itself as a medium. But it totally makes sense.

The left’s single greatest weapon is language.

They lost the economic argument. So they started a cultural war instead.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

No. They closed it a few days ago but did not completed remove it.

Alec Holowka (Night in the Woods, TowerFall) accused of sexual assault [Update: Alec Holowka has reportedly passed away] [See staff posts/threadmarks]

(CW: graphic descriptions of abuse) Jesus. Hopefully we're beginning to see some of these scummy people in game dev have to face consequences for their actions. I hope it's not as widespread as it is in other entertainment industries.

www.resetera.com

And if necessary, I've got plenty of archive-links on my twitter. This won't be forgotten

 

[Hypereides]

It’s been fascinating to see the media coordinate their stories and cover up the fact they are all responsible for this individual taking his own life.

Eurogamer having a very distasteful ‘Suicide Helpline’ number at the bottom of the article that they didn’t even have the balls to title ‘Alec has committed Suicide’ - they simply said he had “died” like all the other usual suspect outlets.

There must be a huge amount of internal squirming and silencing going on - I know that for sure.

Some being told to lay low and stay of social media / twitter until this has ‘blown over’.

Also it’s awful they are clamouring for GG2 - they just needed a catalyst and they created one in the most abhorrent way imaginable.

As always - Follow the Money.

Its definitely distasteful. They chose to herald someone with a documented string of lying tendencies as a martyr and allowed themselves to be engulfed by radical movements to cover their asses. I get the impression they're at a point where if they break their narrative everything will crumble. So they have too keep pushing it. They've practically painted themselves into a corner.

Especially, going by the amount of material found in this thread. Do these people have no shame? How the fuck did they not manage to report it?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Let me see if this describes a handful of them:

- believes that a large portion of government officials (Trump, various Republicans, etc) are fundamentally evil
- believes in a "deep supremacy" that is secretly making decisions and influencing changes to bring about white racial authoritarianism
- believes that the gov't is largely ineffective at resolving abuse claims like rape, theft, hate crimes, etc
- believes that they must leverage extralegal methods (like mob harassment, public violence, media propaganda) to bring about their goals

Reminds me a lot of the Republican prepper / sovereign citizen movement

- believed that a large portion of gov't officials (Obama, muh Libruls, etc) are fundamentally evil
- believed in a "deep state" that is secretly making decisions to take away guns and plunge us into an authoritarian state
- believes that the gov't is largely ineffective at resolving... most anything
- believes that they must leverage extralegal methods (like tax evasion, manipulation of legalese, exiting society, etc) to bring about their goals

When faced with such a terrifying existential threat, how could you not side with the ideology that has not only pointed all of this out but is actively fighting against it? How could you not #resist when these enemies are so powerful and pervasive? Even when faced by glaring abuses and contradictions, how could you betray the same ideology when they are our last best hope?

These patterns were observed before and they'll be observed again. For those still caught in the middle, take a moment to look around and get your bearings, then maybe ask yourself if you're a part of a cult. The signs are there for anyone to judge for themselves.

 

[Dontero]

Scott Benson (NiTW co-creator) has more words to say about Alec. Make of it what you will. I don't think this has been posted here yet. And here's an archive in case of deletion or re-editing. I don't know about this. I can believe everything he's saying but I kind wish this could've waited a week until maybe, y'know, Alec Holowka actually got buried?

I mean reading this it looks like that Scott is literally fucking crazy. Like properly crazy to be shut down into mental assylum. Alec at least looks like angry bastard but that dude never specifies what he is angry about and what exactly he did.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Anyone else notice how the folks who repeatedly call others incels tend to be the ones who can't get a date to save their life? Projection is up the wazoo with them.

 

[Katsura]

Anyone else notice how the folks who repeatedly call others incels tend to be the ones who can't get a date to save their life? Projection is up the wazoo with them.

Everything they accuse others of is a result of projection. That's why they are so busy virtue signalling - They're hoping people wont look too hard at them and find their dirty secrets

 

[Shmunter]

Scott Benson (NiTW co-creator) has more words to say about Alec. Make of it what you will. I don't think this has been posted here yet. And here's an archive in case of deletion or re-editing. I don't know about this. I can believe everything he's saying but I kind wish this could've waited a week until maybe, y'know, Alec Holowka actually got buried?

SJW’s, the lot of them. Going to throw compassions out the window for a sec and call this out as damage control full of embellished half truths. The body’s not even cold.

 

[Dr. Claus]

SJW’s, the lot of them. Going to throw compassions out the window for a sec and call this out as damage control full of embellished half truths. The body’s not even cold.

This has pushed me to not purchase a copy of Night in the Woods if it ever gets a physical release. As much as I enjoyed that game, I cannot in good thought give money to scum like that cunt.

 

[Sleepwalker]

I have no particular interest in the characters but I googled Scott Benson because what he wrote reads like the ramblings of an insane person. He talks about game development like it was the equivalent of going to war as a soldier


He looks like a total soy boy.


May the dude that died rest in peace.

 

[GreyHorace]

Playing devil's advocate here, but I don't think he says that Alec was an asshole, but rather, a sick man in need of help whose demons hurt the people near him as well. That's my take, at least.

It still doesn't change the fact that they're shitting on the guy's name so soon after his passing. Speaking ill of the dead like this is utterly tasteless and not something rational humans do.

For comparison, let's look at the suicide of Chris Benoit. After the revelation that he killed his wife and son came to light, the WWE without fanfare removed his image from their videos and merchandise. And the wrestlers who worked with him kept silent for the most part, even though they could have chosen to tarnish his memory after his crime was revealed. But they didn't. His friends in the ring like Chris Jericho do blame him for what happaned, but even to this day they recall their memories with Benoit with nothing but fondness and respect.

Compared to these shitty people who knew Alec, these wrestlers are goddamn saints.

 

[ROMhack]

At the risk of sounding like some bible bashing loony, I personally believe that social media is a symptom rather than a cause.

The vacuum that has appeared in many Western countries represents the total absence of not just religion, but *cultural* religion - so, for example, in the UK, the basic guiding principles of Anglicanism. I am in no way shape or form a religious man, and its flaws are obviously legion, but if there's one single thing that Christianity beautifully enshrines is forgiveness. And it there any greater epithet than 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

So yes, you're right. We've turned into heathen barbarians. And Twitter is the perfect distillation of it.

Agreed. As a liberal I don't personally look at it under a religious lens but it's definitely true that investment in the self is turning into something strange.

If anybody has the time, Adam Curtis once made an excellent documentary about it. The idea of Silicon Valley idealism really stuck with me because it's basically the sugar we're spoon fed every day:




This was well before social media took off too!

 

[Fuz]

Alec Holowka - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even wikipedia is keeping a low profile on this.

 

[hunthunt]

This should be made into a rpg, would be the most crazy thing ever.

 

[ROMhack]

Alec Holowka - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even wikipedia is keeping a low profile on this.

Semi-protected? He's a fucking indie game developer.

The PR control is amazing.

This is Pynchon levels of conspiracy.

 

[GnomeChimpsky]

Wow. I haven't heard of that. But yeah, it seems to be a given that one would abuse language to drive political agenda, like any medium really. It's just that I haven't really looked at language itself as a medium. But it totally makes sense.

It's like Carlin said: they try to control language because if you control language you control thought.

This should be made into a rpg, would be the most crazy thing ever.

Depression Quest 2: Quinn's Revenge

 

[ROMhack]

ed

 

[infinitys_7th]

I read all of that and It doesnt make sense to me.
He is like "Alec was a friend, he was very smart and focused, this gave me ptsd. I survived him" and also describes crunch time in the game industry as something that broke him.
I truly don't get it.
Why ? Just to jump on the bandwagon.

Dumb question, but why would there be crunch time in indie development on your own project?

 

[Monkeygourmet]

FFS - Why won’t any of them say suicide?!

Gutless. Even Wiki went with ‘died’...

Utter bullshit.

 

[ROMhack]

FFS - Why won’t any of them say suicide?!

Gutless. Even Wiki went with ‘died’...

Utter bullshit.

Because he died to death. Duh.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Scorched earth indeed.
How does that saying go?
You don't become GamerGate/Alt-right/Nazi by choice. You're thrown in with the rest of us the moment you dare to disagree.

Valid point, I’d argue that most of what we are seeing from the right with groups like the proud boys and 4chan is due to the efforts of the left to shut down any disagreement. They are literally creating their own enemies by calling everything a Nazi. Because if you are going to label someone a Nazi; what’s stopping them from embracing it if they feel they have no other recourse.

Scott Benson (NiTW co-creator) has more words to say about Alec. Make of it what you will. I don't think this has been posted here yet. And here's an archive in case of deletion or re-editing. I don't know about this. I can believe everything he's saying but I kind wish this could've waited a week until maybe, y'know, Alec Holowka actually got buried?

These people who work in these indie studios just seem like weak, fragile people.

Maybe the creative types who are drawn to this type of career are hypersensitive, but that article was hard to read. Everyone has had an asshole toxic boss or coworker. It isn’t traumatic though. If that can give you PTSD then you must have grown up in bubble wrap.

It also makes me further question the use of psychotropics as a means to help people.

 

[ExpandKong]

Scott Benson (NiTW co-creator) has more words to say about Alec. Make of it what you will. I don't think this has been posted here yet. And here's an archive in case of deletion or re-editing. I don't know about this. I can believe everything he's saying but I kind wish this could've waited a week until maybe, y'know, Alec Holowka actually got buried?

Oh look, another “victim” popping up to help drive home the point that Alec was abusive and a big meanie and none of this is anybody else’s wink wink fault.

Another one of these delicate flowers who can’t help but tell you all about their various disorders and conditions and medications.

“I hadn’t stopped working those 7 hour days since 2015.” Bitch please am I supposed to feel sorry for a seven hour workday?

Fuck all of these people.

 

[the Guynecologist]

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[the Guynecologist]

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[Berserking Guts]

Edit:
nm, fuck it.

 

[Virex]

Same here. I look and search on these platforms sometimes, but it's something that should be avoided as much as possible.

You know what really worries me? The direction all this is going. We now have a entire generation of young people, who never got the love and attention they deserved, while spending most of their time on social media. It's absolutely frightening. Human qualities like empathy, introspection, kindness, social cues, trust, skills in communication are already in unprecedented decline since social media became widespread. Everybody is on the edge, and few are able recognize a joke these days. It's turning mankind into a quasi-autistic state of isolation, unhappiness, and coldness.

People don't even want to establish real friendships anymore because you're non-existent on these platforms. Millennials are the loneliest generation. My former best friend (RIP) wanted to meet up with a woman, but that woman didn't want to because he didn't make use of social media, and claimed that he probably had "other intentions". My mom lost a friendship because she doesn't use social media...etc.

In the end, we all would be better off without social media.

This is so damn spot on.

 

[Nero_PR]

Very good point.

I usually use this logic. Invert roles to see if something is right.

I cant believe that, if that was the case, regardless of the accusations and how true or false they rang, the gaming media would say "Zoey Quinn has died" and leave it at that.

Something is very wrong in the gaming scene.

Its in these times I like being a loner.

Being a loner is a choice. It doesn't mean you are alone. You just didn't find any person worth of investing your time on them. I respect that.

 

[Nickolaidas]

We have gotten to a point where we valuate ourselves through the number of likes our posts get, and how many hearts our pics will gather on Facebook or Instagram.

It *is* concerning.

 

[Nero_PR]

I just realised something:

Damn, that's a hell of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Friends like these huh. Turns out Alec's view of certain people wasn't so distorted after all.

Edit: sorry for the double post

What a terrible society we live in. I don't like how people are able to throw someone else's life like they throw garbage into the trash can. We live in fearful times full of hatred for the others.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

I'm definitely moving Night in the Woods from my Steam wishlist over to my "pirate for moral reasons" list. No way this dev gets any purchases going forward when they simply rushed out to separate themselves for PR under still paper-thin accusations; let this company fold and be forgotten.

 

[ROMhack]

I'm definitely moving Night in the Woods from my Steam wishlist over to my "pirate for moral reasons" list. No way this dev gets any purchases going forward when they simply rushed out to separate themselves for PR under still paper-thin accusations; let this company fold and be forgotten.

I'm on the fence. I don't mind rewarding them for their work even if I morally disagree with some of the shit that's gone down here.

Would be nice to know if any of the funds are going to help support a charity. That would be an admirable thing for the developers to do (provided they aren't starving or anything).

 

[petran79]

Wow. What a brave and tearful confessional about, how bad a suicide victim treated me.

Is this asshole for real? It hasn't been a week since Alec Holowka died and all he's sharing here is what an asshole the guy was. Rather than remembering the deceased he's slandering him in an effort to gain a pity party.

Fuck this guy. That is not how you give a due to the dead.

I don't think he wanted to write it either.
He is emotionally unstable and probably carefully tutored and monitored not to leak more names that could expose their ilk.

I'm definitely moving Night in the Woods from my Steam wishlist over to my "pirate for moral reasons" list. No way this dev gets any purchases going forward when they simply rushed out to separate themselves for PR under still paper-thin accusations; let this company fold and be forgotten.

I have a wallpaper of the game on my pc as backer reward but will remove it. Too depressing to see after all I've read

 

[off duty ninja]

I'm on the fence. I don't mind rewarding them for their work even if I morally disagree with some of the shit that's gone down here.

Would be nice to know if any of the funds are going to help support a charity. That would be an admirable thing for the developers to do (provided they aren't starving or anything).

Or you know, some of the funds could go to the family of the co-worker that just killed himself. To help with burying the man they helped push over the edge. I'm sure THAT will never happen though. Unless they find a way to make it a win win and they can get something out of it too.

 

[Flintty]

SJW’s, the lot of them. Going to throw compassions out the window for a sec and call this out as damage control full of embellished half truths. The body’s not even cold.

I don’t even think we should be calling them SJWs anymore. There’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting social justice and equality. What these people do though is Social Sabotage. They’re Social Sabotage Warriors.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I don’t even think we should be calling them SJWs anymore. There’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting social justice and equality. What these people do though is Social Sabotage. They’re Social Sabotage Warriors.

I think 'CTRL-Left' is a good replacement.

 

[The Skull]

Alec Holowka - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even wikipedia is keeping a low profile on this.

My house mate just made an edit on this to say he committed suicide and within 10 minutes, it's back to "Holowka died on...".

 

[Dr. Claus]

My house mate just made an edit on this to say he committed suicide and within 10 minutes, it's back to "Holowka died on...".

They have a narrative to spin and they won't let the truth get out there.

 

[crowbrow]

My house mate just made an edit on this to say he committed suicide and within 10 minutes, it's back to "Holowka died on...".

To be fair, they could be waiting to the release of a official cause of death. Has there been an official communication about the cause of death?

 

[DonF]

Dumb question, but why would there be crunch time in indie development on your own project?

From what I read, they partnered with a publisher after the Kickstarter, so they had set a release date windows and such.

So indie Dev studio, but with a publisher and a publishing deal.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

For contrast:

Alison Lapper's son Parys 'bullied at school' before death

Alison Lapper hits out at "appalling" mental health care following her son's death.

www.bbc.com

How about that for a different tone and degree of attention.
All you need is a high intersectionality score and the present-day media will twist themselves into knots to champion you and hope you don't question their hypocrisy.