To be fair it was ZoE2 that everyone worried about. ZoE1 got confirmation of a stable 60 FPS for both versions as I recall, and wasn't the entry everyone cared about most.
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ZoE2 at normal is a very difficult experience for me. You die easily and enemies are relentless and its not fun. Playing it on Easy is much more fun.
Oh yes, since I decided to look:
... Why the fuck didn't they just give the Japanese CD? If I want the Remix I can always import it from Japan or buy it for $9.99 from iTunes and get the whole thing. I guess the last track could be some Drama-type thing, but they could've just snipped that off.
Saw the tracklist on the back of the sleeve in this video at about this time, and we have this post showing the Remix tracklist and Japan's LE pack in CD tracklist.
... Why the fuck didn't they just give the Japanese CD? If I want the Remix I can always import it from Japan or buy it for $9.99 from iTunes and get the whole thing. I guess the last track could be some Drama-type thing, but they could've just snipped that off.
You're just making me want to play it more despite the piss poor performance.
I just completed Zone of the Enders! Overall, I wish the middle section of the game was better paced (more boss battles and less fetching would had made it alot better), but it was indeed an experience, the ending part to the game is intense and the story really does pick up on that point (and the bosses are fun to fight). Since this is my first time playing the game, I gotta say...I was impressed with it
Now, I'm going to play some more Dark Souls before I hop into 2nd Runner
Now, I'm going to play some more Dark Souls before I hop into 2nd Runner
CloakedPuppet
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Fair point. I still feel like the comparisons to SH:HD collection were ridiculous. There are people out there that think that this collection is "garbage" thanks to misinformation and hyperbole.
Oh, I won't disagree there, though the FPS became a much more concerning issues when it actively correlated with game speed rather than simply being another aspect that looks nicer. It seems to be basically a solid port limited less by active incompetence and more by hardware and maybe being unwilling to make certain compromises.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
It must have been licensing stuff to do with Beyond the Bounds having that one singer there or whatnot. Also just making it different for the sake of it so consumers have a reason to get the Remix Edition CD? I remember only really liking the BtB remix from the previews they had so I guess I can get it from iTunes and save myself $30+.
Edit: Or not. The only single track available is the Vivid Transparency remix. Blah.
Melhisedek
Member
How long are these games?
Strange, all of them seem to be purchasable on my end. Though I'm in the US for whatever that's worth.
It just seems like a poor compromise. They can't or don't want to provide the Japanese CD, even with a track or two switched, so instead they release a version of the Remix CD... with what looks like 5 tracks sliced off. And we can just buy that on iTunes. Unless I didn't look close enough and this is a hybrid of the two it seems like it'd be better to either give the Remix CD fully, or swap out problematic tracks with those from the Remix CD, seems the Reboot one has at least one track from it anyway.
Though that artbook alone seems worthy of the extra $20 anyway.
3-5 for the first, 5-10 for the second if I'm remembering right.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I don't think I've had a Soundtrack CD in an American game package yet that wasn't a total disappointment.
I guess the XIII-2 Collectors Edition was the real deal.
I guess the XIII-2 Collectors Edition was the real deal.
ColonelSkills
Member
Hey man, play whatever's fun for you. No biggy.
I'm still waiting on my copy, but the fact that normal is giving you a such a hard time is making me worried for how much more awkward the game must play at the speed it's running at.
Guess I'll find out when the mail stops being horrifically shitty.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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I'm in the U.S. too, and it does have each song buyable on its own in the album page, but when you click for tracks to buy individually it only shows Vivid Transparency for some reason. They all say you can buy them, it's not they're called "Album-Only" so maybe it was just an excessive button they forgot to take out.
Finished ZoE2 on Easy. Took about 4 and a half hours, more if I count the 3 hours I spent in Normal stuck on Nephtis. I like Ringo. Feel bad for Leo getting that shitty OF though.
I would like to play another entry of these one of these days, maybe with more OF selections.
I don't know how the OG games run in comparison to this but this game looks good to me. It doesn't feel all chuggy like some games get when frames dip and all that. I'm zipping around in Zero Shift like a boss slashing at hella enemies without much slowdown.
You should know that this my first time playing this game. Speed isn't an issue when I was playing it, I play fighters like Blazblue and stuff so I'm cool with fast stuff. Its just that the enemies come at you hard and every enemy seems to do a ridiculous amounts of damage, with the third Nephtis fight being my breaking point. I think I would of snapped my disc in half if I had fought Anubis on Normal.
I hope all my upgrades can get transferred to Normal. Oh how I would love to fight Nephtis with Zero Shift.
I would like to play another entry of these one of these days, maybe with more OF selections.
I don't know how the OG games run in comparison to this but this game looks good to me. It doesn't feel all chuggy like some games get when frames dip and all that. I'm zipping around in Zero Shift like a boss slashing at hella enemies without much slowdown.
You should know that this my first time playing this game. Speed isn't an issue when I was playing it, I play fighters like Blazblue and stuff so I'm cool with fast stuff. Its just that the enemies come at you hard and every enemy seems to do a ridiculous amounts of damage, with the third Nephtis fight being my breaking point. I think I would of snapped my disc in half if I had fought Anubis on Normal.
I hope all my upgrades can get transferred to Normal. Oh how I would love to fight Nephtis with Zero Shift.
Yeah, I'm guessing so since it asked for confirmation on Beyond the Bounds when I clicked on the main page. Try there, and if it doesn't work then I guess you need to get them all.
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HomerSimpson-Man
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I ripped my copy of PS2 ZOE2 earlier today and tried the PSX2 emulator.
Geez, it has loads of slowdown even on my rig, a 4.2Ghz i7 6-core and an unlocked ATI 6950 2GB graphics card.
Geez, it has loads of slowdown even on my rig, a 4.2Ghz i7 6-core and an unlocked ATI 6950 2GB graphics card.
Bow down to the PS2. Truly a beast.
I lucked out against him. On Normal I just kept spamming those freezing move. Worked like a bucket of Lucky Charms.
No, no, I mean that the fight slowed the game down so much that I was cringing and asking myself "What is going on here?!" I did the exact same thing you did to beat him, lol.
HomerSimpson-Man
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No kidding, just to be sure I have my configurations settings right, I had tested Dragon Quest XIII, Devil May Cry 3, Onimusha 3. All these games played full speed at 1080p, even started to try supersampling with no problems.
ZOE2 just choked it even at 720p.
he was actually talking about the new sunrise intro done for the collection. it's pretty terrible
seriously, if they halved the resolution on the alphas and stuff like they did on ps2 would have been a fine tradeoff to get this running better. As it stands I just can't bring myself to play it despite how good it looks. especially after running through the ps2 SE version immediately prior, it's like playing in molasses. really sad. it wouldn't have been an issue if the engine was just dropping frames...
Oh. Can't really think of any slowdowns that happened during the fight for me. However, there was this bit of freeze loading every time I transition from one area to another. Hell, after I laid the final blow on the final Anubis fight the game stopped for a minute, gave me my trophy, then after a few seconds went on with the ending. Was this a common occurrence (sans trophy of course) in the PS2 version?
he was actually talking about the new sunrise intro done for the collection. it's pretty terrible
I love how they showed Ken in all her glory in it though.
ColonelSkills
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You should know that this my first time playing this game. Speed isn't an issue when I was playing it, I play fighters like Blazblue and stuff so I'm cool with fast stuff. Its just that the enemies come at you hard and every enemy seems to do a ridiculous amounts of damage, with the third Nephtis fight being my breaking point. I think I would of snapped my disc in half if I had fought Anubis on Normal.
I hope all my upgrades can get transferred to Normal. Oh how I would love to fight Nephtis with Zero Shift.
I honestly don't know if you can rock the other Jehuty forms playing on Normal after clearing on Easy first. I have never taken that route in a save file before.
If you think Anubis is bad, oh man. When the fight is really long and you can only really move against him when it's absolutely safe in Hard mode, oh lordy is it satisfying. ;_;
No way ZoE 1 is 60 FPS. I'm paying the PS3 version and there are noticable slowdowns. The game is still enjoyable though.
I think it might just be the PS3 version, it happens every single time I get a trophy that leads to a cutscene. Don't remember anything like that in the PS2 one.
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Retro_
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Finished first playthrough of ZoE 1. Ended up with B rank. (ACAAA. 0 continues) Meh.
Pretty good reminder of how much I really like the first game. The climax is still exciting to me.
Probably gonna knock out the Platinum tomorrow. Then maybe to a Hard playthrough before moving on to ZoE2 just to see what higher difficulty is like in this game
Yeah. Especially during some of the bosses or when you're fighting multiple groups of enemies.
Game is fine where it counts though.(2nd to last Viola fight is smooth as hell. Even with all the destruction going on during it it's really fast. Port does justice to the best boss fight in the game so it's alright with me)
Pretty good reminder of how much I really like the first game. The climax is still exciting to me.
Probably gonna knock out the Platinum tomorrow. Then maybe to a Hard playthrough before moving on to ZoE2 just to see what higher difficulty is like in this game
Yeah. Especially during some of the bosses or when you're fighting multiple groups of enemies.
Game is fine where it counts though.(2nd to last Viola fight is smooth as hell. Even with all the destruction going on during it it's really fast. Port does justice to the best boss fight in the game so it's alright with me)
That sounds like I would pop a blood vessel, lol.
It's weird cause I thought my game froze on me at first.
Now I got to get into the ZoE Expanded Universe. Will probably watch some of that Dolores, i after some SAO.
It's weird cause I thought my game froze on me at first.
So did I! I've had the MGR Demo freeze on me about three times and ZOE1 has frozen on my friend. So I thought, "Why the hell not? Let's make it all three!" Thankfully that was not the case.
Oh man, the entire section from the Train Chase up to saving Ardjet runs really poorly. Like, really bad. It seems like they could not get anything in this facility running well in any capacity (is it due to graphical effects of the lava, the multiple floors? I have no idea). Luckily, the fortress seems to be running a lot better.
Seems like it was JPN exclusive.
Also, this fortress section is kinda sad in a way. There are definitely moments where the game runs at pretty damn close to 60 fps and the speed of the game is noticeably faster. Now I'm at a cutscene between Dingo and Lloyd where Dingo's eye, and everybody's mouth is covered by some glitching black box. This is minor, but Jesus, ZOE2 isn't even that long; did High Voltage play test this?
Well crap.
... Shit. This is making me wonder if maybe comparisons to SH HD aren't TOO unwarranted afterall? :/
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Retro_
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Sounds like ZoE may've needed that more, ironically.
This makes me curious on how the originals run now.
Wait, so that glitchy stuff isn't apart of the original game? Assumed it was because their transmission was wonky when they were talking.
Unless ZOE2 pulls something on the level of "teeth textures in eyes" and that lake scene, (which I know it probably won't), SH HD is still a light-year from this.
Nope.
It's mainly that glitchy black box thing that's setting off alarms, as that DOES sound like it comes pretty close to "teeth in eyes". Then again that may well be easier to patch out, and isn't as freaky looking anyway (though that DOES work in SH's favor).
Hm. The Inhert battle actually ran pretty well. Really well at that.
Well, for what its worth, the cutscene immediately after the Inhert boss battle does not have those glitches anymore, so it seems that black bar glitch only happens in Dingo's initial meeting with him.
Well, for what its worth, the cutscene immediately after the Inhert boss battle does not have those glitches anymore, so it seems that black bar glitch only happens in Dingo's initial meeting with him.
While that was a glitch... That glitch should be real. Fucking disturbing and in line with Team Silent's work.
TheKaeptain
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Anubis fight was a bitch.
http://ps360.ldblog.jp/archives/53823421.html
PS2 Avg:56.269fps Min-Max:41.0-60.0fps Tear:26.318%(26.318%)
360 Avg:39.983fps Min-Max:23.0-60.0fps Tear: 0.000%( 0.000%)
PS3 Avg:32.218fps Min-Max:20.0-60.0fps Tear: 0.000%( 0.000%)
Seems to be that way.
Lostconfused
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The more people keep posting those numbers the more it makes me think that I should just get the PS2 versions.
Shadow2222
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As a first time player, I'm really enjoying my run through of the ZOE chronology. So far, I watched the Idolo OVA, the first twelve episodes of the Dolores i anime, and just beat ZOE 1. Now I'm resuming the anime, and I'm very excited to get to ZOE 2 (which apparently is even better than ZOE 1, which I really, really enjoyed).
Warning: Game looks nasty on a LCD Monitor.
Are you sure you have your settings right? I'm rocking a LCD and its gorgeous.
I think he might be talking about the PS2 version specifically. The game itself looks good on my LCD, too, but not the PS2 one.
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