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Congrats on your new Panasonic plasma. I missed out on the last of them has financial issues so had to pass(wife missed 16 weeks of work due to health). My 55GT30 will have to last me a while because nothing I seen comes close to a plasma TV. Welcome to the Plasma master race.
 
Thanks.. Yeah I just finished watching Dallas Buyers Club on it, and another thing I really appreciate about these plasmas is that when you watch in the dark, the black bars on the top and bottom just disappear. If you are watching a 2.35 movie on a Panasonic plasma in the dark those black bars just cease to exist. It's amazing.
 
I'm finally buying a TV tomorrow! For the longest time I was set on a Sony Bravia 42W650A, but the price at major retailers here (Japan) suddenly went up 150 bucks while Panasonic's L42E60 went down.

Reading reviews of the latter, it looks like a good set and has one more HDMI output than the W650A (3vs2), I'm not too sure anymore.

Do you guys have any opinion of Panasonic LCDs and/or this particular model? Most notably, I heard that input lag was very low on the 42W650A put can't find any numbers for the L42E60... And by the way, how much would be too much?

Thanks for the help.
 
So, this may be an oft repeated question on this thread, but what TV is leading the pack right now? I'm looking for something in the 55" range, no more than $1.5-2K. Does it even make sense to buy right now with the affordable 4K sets coming this fall (like the vizio p series)?
 
Jubern said:
I'm finally buying a TV tomorrow! For the longest time I was set on a Sony Bravia 42W650A, but the price at major retailers here (Japan) suddenly went up 150 bucks while Panasonic's L42E60 went down.

Reading reviews of the latter, it looks like a good set and has one more HDMI output than the W650A (3vs2), I'm not too sure anymore.

Do you guys have any opinion of Panasonic LCDs and/or this particular model? Most notably, I heard that input lag was very low on the 42W650A put can't find any numbers for the L42E60... And by the way, how much would be too much?

Thanks for the help.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l42e60/4505-6482_7-35781826.html
Says 48ms for input lag,but I don't know what method CNET uses to measure. Says good blacks but not great viewing angles, so a similar panel to the W6?
 
Let's say 48 ms is the actual value. I heard than the W6s are under 20 ms, would the tradroff be significant? Also, is true 120hz relevant in any way? W6s don't do it.
 
gabe90 said:
So, this may be an oft repeated question on this thread, but what TV is leading the pack right now? I'm looking for something in the 55" range, no more than $1.5-2K. Does it even make sense to buy right now with the affordable 4K sets coming this fall (like the vizio p series)?
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I don't think it makes much sense, might as well grab a UHD set like the P series. If you can wait anyways. Of course that doesn't mean you can't get a beautiful set now, there's plenty of good options in that range.
 
Jubern said:
Let's say 48 ms is the actual value. I heard than the W6s are under 20 ms, would the tradroff be significant? Also, is true 120hz relevant in any way? W6s don't do it.
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Personally I'd be ok with that amount but I don't know how tolerant you are. The 120Hz is odd - they say 'no fake' and yet it does have fake mode options. Basically they just seem to mean that it can show 24hz content like blurays properly without judder, and the W6 can too. The motion resolution without the soap opera processing is 300 lines, same on both sets.

They seem pretty much on par - if the price difference is notable then maybe go for the panasonic
 
I want to be sure of what I'm doing with that one so if both are on par with the W6 having some edge with input lag I think I'll go for it.

TVs are so damn expensive around here :/
The W650A is about 900 dollars while the Panny would be around 700. And they're more or less the less expensive options in that price range.
 
Caayn said:
The problem with an amplifier is that they quickly cost €200+ for one with multiple HDMI ports, and the used market isn't exactly big for those devices where I live. I already got a Home Cinema set so that's way too much for what it's going to be used for.
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A good HDMI switch isnt that much cheaper though.Maybe you can get a decent one for 100 euro.
 
Dead said:
I'd estimate around 3500 to 4000 minimum for a decent projector + screen for a home cinema.
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I dont agree. I got a Benq W1070 and a decent framed screen in 117" + cables and stuff for less than 2000 dollars. And thats with 25% sales tax we have in Sweden. Should be a lot cheaper in the US. Its very nice. But sure you wont get as good picture (blacks) as you get from a 1000 dollar tv. But then again you will get a huge picture instead. You need a completely dark room for a projector though.
 
Jubern said:
I want to be sure of what I'm doing with that one so if both are on par with the W6 having some edge with input lag I think I'll go for it.

TVs are so damn expensive around here :/
The W650A is about 900 dollars while the Panny would be around 700. And they're more or less the less expensive options in that price range.
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You're in Japan? Damn, I'm sure TVs used to be fairly inexpensive compared to the UK. Although that was back why it was 200 yen to the pound. My 50w685 cost me £700 and that was an absolute bargain by UK standards
 
Yeah. Well, one of my "problems" is also that since I got a lot of points and cashback money to use at a major retailer (50 000 yen, thank you strange promotions at major outlets) I can't really go buy the TV anywhere else, it would be idiotic. I just moved and a TV is literally the last thing I can spend that money on ahah.

But I'm losing almost half of that money to the price difference with the price on most websites...
 
polyh3dron said:
Got the 65VT60 mounted last night and watched Hugo in 3D. Had to bring the PS3 out from the closet since neither the PS4 or XBOne support 3D and on top of that, my Onkyo TX-SR607 receiver is from like 2008 and doesn't support 3D either so I had to rework my setup considerably to accommodate..

Sweet Jesus. The picture quality is mindblowingly amazing even with stock THX settings. I seriously don't see how 4K can improve on this even with a screen this size with the relatively close viewing distance I have. The 24FPS setting was something I had to manually set for movies but that looked amazing too. 4K TVs will really have to knock my socks off by having some relatively cheap well-made OLED in like a 70" size before I ever consider upgrading from this. I seriously feel like this TV is the pinnacle of great picture quality. Those 4K LED sets look great in the showroom but there is no way they match the VT60 in a darker setting. I'm also impressed that it consumes less energy than the 52" Sony W4100 LCD I replaced.

The only knock I have on it is that the 3D isn't perfect. Every other LCD I've ever watched 3D content on had unbearable crosstalk. My 3D viewing experience on the VT60 was way better than any other 3D TV I've watched but the crosstalk still happened with the more drastic 3D moments like when the dog really pops out, etc. It really took me out of what was otherwise a top notch reference level viewing experience. Not that I'll be watching much 3D until I replace my receiver anyways, and I'd like to wait for the ones that support 4K/60hz for future proofing. The Onkyo TX-NR929 was tempting since it has enough inputs for every one of my consoles, but no HDMI 2.0 is a dealbreaker so I will hold off.

Overall though, I could not be happier with my purchase of this Panasonic 65VT60.
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NeoPlasma Black 3000 <<< That is why that plasma rocks so hard bro, the Neo 3000 panel are superb...plasma's in general..at least from Panasonic are truly the best PQ you can buy in that 2000 dollar range or lower...Plasma's imho have a much closer to good old CRT tubes as far as rich colors and inky blacks..the colors just have that great punch in them vs LEDs imho.

I've always went with Plasmas because of these qualities and oh boy..for gaming..they are bare none in a league of its own.
 
Yeah. Too bad Panasonic stopped producing plasmas. I have a VT50 in the bedroom and its very nice.
The linebleeding, the dithering and the temporary burn in is a bit annoying though. But thats how it is with plasmas. Id rather have those problems than the problems the LCD's has.

Hopefully OLED will be cheap enough when I need to replace it in 5 years or so.
 
Jubern said:
I'm finally buying a TV tomorrow! For the longest time I was set on a Sony Bravia 42W650A, but the price at major retailers here (Japan) suddenly went up 150 bucks while Panasonic's L42E60 went down.

Reading reviews of the latter, it looks like a good set and has one more HDMI output than the W650A (3vs2), I'm not too sure anymore.

Do you guys have any opinion of Panasonic LCDs and/or this particular model? Most notably, I heard that input lag was very low on the 42W650A put can't find any numbers for the L42E60... And by the way, how much would be too much?

Thanks for the help.
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I have a L58E60. Input lag does seem to be right around the 50ms mark CNET observed. I've only really played Last of Us on it since purchasing it (I'm primarily a PC gamer) but in game mode the input lag was not noticeable to me. I had some sound sync issues when running my PS3 to my receiver through optical and picture to TV via HDMI. Using a calibration disc I observed around 80ms of delay. When I switched it to game mode, the delay was almost unnoticeable. And that was watching a picture flash in time to the sound coming from the PS3. It's a good sign for input lag.

I love the TV though. Picture is great, viewing angles are great. I used CNET's calibration settings and only found the need to bump up the backlight a couple notches for daily viewing. Black levels aren't nearly as good as a plasma but you aren't comparing it to a plasma.

It has the typical LCD things - some dirty screen effects, etc but I genuinely don't notice it for typical viewing. It's a big step up from my 10 year old burned out DLP TV. For the price ($1k), I've been VERY satisfied with it.
 
So i was in the market for a new tv.
Got myself a Sony KDL-50W656 - LED TV, and it should arrive somewhere this week.

Any tips? It seems like the 50'' from Sony are not common on forums.
I hear great stories about smaller W6 models with < 20ms input lagg, so kinda hoping mine is going to be around the same amount! as i will be using in mainly for certain games and watching movies/series.
 
I'm in the market for a new TV, not immediately, but in the next couple of months. I'm interested in the mighty low-lag Sony W802A, pending actually going to the store and hooking some systems up to it to see for myself.

But before then, I have an infuriating problem to solve: the S-video problem. I have 7 consoles hooked up via S-video, and they're going to stay hooked up via S-video, as that's the best signal they natively support. Please, no suggestions for modding the consoles. I'm not interested in that.

However, no new TVs that I'm aware of accept S-Video any more, so I'll need a converter. I've bought a couple of cheapo units to toy with over the last couple of years, since I knew this was coming, and they work fine, except for one thing: they don't display with "side bars" - they both output 720p or 1080p, and the image is "stretched" to 16:9, which is, of course, wrong. S-video content is almost invariably 4:3, certainly the picture output from these old consoles is. But my TV, like most (all?) HDTVs, doesn't have a "sidebar" option for HD content - why would it?

Other boxes I see online look nearly identical to these two; I haven't seen one yet that specifically says it has any aspect ratio option.

So I'm wondering if anyone here has any recommendations of converter boxes or upscalers that take S-video input and send out HDMI, with an aspect ratio option. If it takes a higher-end box that also does composite, VGA, component, to get one that also does this, fine. And, of course, the lower latency, the better - one frame lag would be nice.

Thanks in advance!
 
Leondexter said:
However, no new TVs that I'm aware of accept S-Video any more, so I'll need a converter. I've bought a couple of cheapo units to toy with over the last couple of years, since I knew this was coming, and they work fine, except for one thing: they don't display with "side bars" - they both output 720p or 1080p, and the image is "stretched" to 16:9, which is, of course, wrong. S-video content is almost invariably 4:3, certainly the picture output from these old consoles is. But my TV, like most (all?) HDTVs, doesn't have a "sidebar" option for HD content - why would it?

Other boxes I see online look nearly identical to these two; I haven't seen one yet that specifically says it has any aspect ratio option.

So I'm wondering if anyone here has any recommendations of converter boxes or upscalers that take S-video input and send out HDMI, with an aspect ratio option. If it takes a higher-end box that also does composite, VGA, component, to get one that also does this, fine. And, of course, the lower latency, the better - one frame lag would be nice.
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My W900A allows me to force 16:9 to 4:3 with black side bars. I'd be surprised if the W802A didn't have the same feature. Perhaps someone here can confirm this.

Another option is the Framemeister (aka. XRGB-Mini). You may be interested in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630556

The Framemeister will display your s-video source in the correct 4:3 pillarboxed style you're looking for. It scales retro games very cleanly and has the option to add scanlines. It only has one s-video input though (along with composite, RGB, etc.) and it's rather pricey ($350+).
 
EasyMode said:
My W900A allows me to force 16:9 to 4:3 with black side bars. I'd be surprised if the W802A didn't have the same feature. Perhaps someone here can confirm this.
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On HD content (720p or 1080p)? If so, then great, but I've never seen a TV that would do that. On 480i/480p content, of course, they all do.


EasyMode said:
Another option is the Framemeister (aka. XRGB-Mini). You may be interested in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630556

The Framemeister will display your s-video source in the correct 4:3 pillarboxed style you're looking for. It scales retro games very cleanly and has the option to add scanlines. It only has one s-video input though (along with composite, RGB, etc.) and it's rather pricey ($350+).
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Hmm, I'll check it out. Thanks!
 
If space permits you would be best off grabbing a cheap good CRT for older consoles. That's my take on it anyways, those era systems were made for CRTs.
 
So I'm about to be the recipient of a 73 inch Mitsubishi DLP television. As I'm not in the habit of turning down free things, I'm obviously going to keep it. Thing is, I've no idea how DLP is for gaming and I can't seem to find much online. Does anyone have any insight on what to expect?
 
Sony 4K price leaks.

http://hdguru.com/sony-2014-4k-uhdtv-prices-leaked/

850 Series
XBR-49X850B (49-inch): $2199.99
XBR-55X850B (55-inch): $2999.99
XBR-65X850B (65-inch): $4499.99
XBR-70X850B (70-inch): $5999.99

900 Series
XBR-55X900B (55-inch) $3999.99
XBR-65X900B (65-inch) $5499.99
XBR-79X900B (79-inch ) $8999.99

950 Series
XBR-65X950B (65-inch) $7999.99
XBR-85X950B (85-inch) $24,999.99
 
Tablo said:
If space permits you would be best off grabbing a cheap good CRT for older consoles. That's my take on it anyways, those era systems were made for CRTs.
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I have a couple; one super old-school for light gun games, and my old awesome Sony Wega. Even so, I want my game room setup with one do-it-all TV.
 
EasyMode said:
Yes to both, I just tested it. To do it press Home > Settings > Picture & Display > Screen > Wide Mode: Normal. If you see the W802A in-store you can give it a try.
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Wow, good news, thanks! I will check it out in-store. Maybe I'll pre-program my remote and take that, make sure I can one-button it. Thanks for the help!
 
MrJames said:
Sony 4K price leaks.

http://hdguru.com/sony-2014-4k-uhdtv-prices-leaked/

850 Series
XBR-49X850B (49-inch): $2199.99
XBR-55X850B (55-inch): $2999.99
XBR-65X850B (65-inch): $4499.99
XBR-70X850B (70-inch): $5999.99

900 Series
XBR-55X900B (55-inch) $3999.99
XBR-65X900B (65-inch) $5499.99
XBR-79X900B (79-inch ) $8999.99

950 Series
XBR-65X950B (65-inch) $7999.99
XBR-85X950B (85-inch) $24,999.99
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The 850 series is surprisingly affordable. Too bad it's seemingly gimped in order to be so

$9000 is not a bad price at all for the 79" 900 too
 
We should note that those are only MSRPs. They usually retail a bit cheaper at electronics stores. I know bestbuy has knocked about $300 off the MSRP for the 2014 models.
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
These are the only ones that will be local dimming sets & not edge lit sets?

I'm sure the picture will be great on them & comparable to the ZT60, BUT THREE TIMES THE COST OF A ZT60 OF THE SAME SIZE!!!!!

No wonder Sony decided to cut them loose.
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The 900 is local dimming too

Full array is expensive period. The sharp elite was $8000 iirc. This kind if pricing is not exclusive to Sony.
 
My 55VT60 is en route to me right now, will be delivered tomorrow :-)


What will be my first blu-ray to be watched on it?

- Avatar ( colourful, 3D )
- Casino Royale - best and best looking Bond movie IMO
- The Dark Knight ( awesome looking IMAX scenes )
- Pacific Rim/Man of Steel/LOTR/The Hobbit?
 
burnfout said:
My 55VT60 is en route to me right now, will be delivered tomorrow :-)


What will be my first blu-ray to be watched on it?

- Avatar ( colourful, 3D )
- Casino Royale - best and best looking Bond movie IMO
- The Dark Knight ( awesome looking IMAX scenes )
- Pacific Rim/Man of Steel/LOTR/The Hobbit?
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Dark knight to appreciate those inky blacks.
 
I'm having a really weird problem on my Panasonic S60. It involves the component inputs. I've tried playing both a PS3 and a Wii through the component input. What I notice is a series of flickering horizontal lines. It's particularly bad when the screen is black. Other wise, you honestly don't notice it much. But when it's a dark scene? Terrible.

I first tried it with the PS3 and thought it was an issue with the actual cables. I sent them back and got a new set (different brand). Same issue. Now I've tried it with the Wii and am experiencing the exact same issue. It only seems to be happening in HD (PS3) or when the Wii is displaying in 480p. If I turn the Wii down to standard 480i...it looks fine.

FWIW, my PS4, WiiU and TV look totally fine through HDMI. Everything looks and works great.

Any idea what could be going on? I have been buying the "cheaper" component cables, but I tried them on a smaller LCD TV I have in my house and everything looked fine.
 
Do any of you guys actually use local dimming for gaming? Deffo looks slightly better but I find a "slight" delay. I think i prefer lowering the backlight a tad more for better balance.
 
I have the Samsung UE65F9005 model and were shocked at how much my measured input lag of around 160ms on the HDMI 3 (movie preset with the cnet settings) actually meant for gaming on the PS4 (I used the laptop video trick to measure it on the input). Luckily, my Onkyo supports a Sub output for HDMI. So I did the following to get the input lag down towards more acceptable timings:

- I use the Onkyo 2nd HDMI output for the PS4 and route that to the HDMI 2 input on the TV (with Direct through for the PS4 input on the Onkyo).
- I set the HDMI 2 input name to DVI PC. This disabled a lot of the picture quality settings on the TV, and seems to be tailor made for PC or gaming setups. Picture quality suffered, though.

With this setup, I get around 60ms input lag measured with videoing the laptop screen and the TV simultaneously (with the 2006 firmware).
Now, Samsung really need to improve on this in a future firmware, I can't believe that the upscaling chip really uses 60ms for upscaling to 4k, with no picture processing.

Anyway, any other ways to improve on this? 60ms is borderline okay, but lower would be better.
 
Samsung TVs are pretty well known for lots of input lag. If I had any advice it would be to return it to the place that sold it to you and get another TV. Check the usual sites for input lag measurements before you buy another TV.
 
Dead said:
The 900 is local dimming too

Full array is expensive period. The sharp elite was $8000 iirc. This kind if pricing is not exclusive to Sony.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-xbr-65x950b/4505-6482_7-35833834.html
"The company originally used the term "direct LCD" to describe the X950B's LED backlight, but than changed it to "full-array," a term that traditionally denotes more LEDs and dimmable zones than the direct variety."

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-35303_1-57616738/sony-tvs-at-ces-2014-tripling-down-on-4k/
[I"]XBR-X900B series: 4K resolution, edge-lit LED local dimming"[/I]

Edge Lit local dimming is fake local dimming & has none of the benefits of the full array one, that should be comparable to high end plasmas.

iamshadowlark said:
You're comparing 4k to 1080p.
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Seiki & a host of other Chinese manufactures proved 4K markup is pure marketing bullshit. At best the cost adds a few hundred more to the price, not thousands more.
 
MrJames said:
Sony 4K price leaks.

http://hdguru.com/sony-2014-4k-uhdtv-prices-leaked/

850 Series
XBR-49X850B (49-inch): $2199.99
XBR-55X850B (55-inch): $2999.99
XBR-65X850B (65-inch): $4499.99
XBR-70X850B (70-inch): $5999.99

900 Series
XBR-55X900B (55-inch) $3999.99
XBR-65X900B (65-inch) $5499.99
XBR-79X900B (79-inch ) $8999.99

950 Series
XBR-65X950B (65-inch) $7999.99
XBR-85X950B (85-inch) $24,999.99
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Ah the 900 series is priced where I had expected it to be. I had my fingers crossed that it would be a bit less but oh well, I guess it's 4K projector tech for me...
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Samsung TVs are pretty well known for lots of input lag. If I had any advice it would be to return it to the place that sold it to you and get another TV. Check the usual sites for input lag measurements before you buy another TV.
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I was well aware of the lag, just didn't realize how noticeable it was. This is the only 2013-model 4k tv that is upgradeable to 2014-model features (HDMI 2.0, h265, etc.), so it's the only option for me. I can live with 60ms.
 
mitchman said:
I was well aware of the lag, just didn't realize how noticeable it was. This is the only 2013-model 4k tv that is upgradeable to 2014-model features (HDMI 2.0, h265, etc.), so it's the only option for me. I can live with 60ms.
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I wouldn't want to own a TV where you have to make the picture quality really bad to make input lag the lower end of decent personally. One thing I like about my 65VT60 is that Game Mode doesn't molest any of the image quality settings and honestly it looks virtually identical to regular mode, at least for games. For movies I switch Game Mode off so I can get the 24hz dejudder options to work.

I don't understand why you won't just wait until the 2014 models hit the streets in a few months and see if things improve before you commit, or just buy a 2013 Sony TV which has much better input lag. I'm not sure if any of the 2013 Sonys support HDMI 2.0 though. I know there's a 2013 Panasonic 4K LCD which support it.
 
How should I set the RGB Dynamic Range on my Sony w900a for gaming with PS3 and PS4? Full or Limited? I know that whatever I set it to on the TV must match what I set it to in the console config, but I'm just wondering which will give better results.
 
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