Can confirm with 1400 hours on 60ST50 the same has started happening. Less hours and more 40-60 minutes.
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Can confirm with 1400 hours on 60ST50 the same has started happening. Less hours and more 40-60 minutes.
grap3fruitman
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Oh god! Noooooo! I didn't know they were on sale or whatever. What happened? I wanted to pick up an ST for my bedroom since my HD CRT recently died.
If you wanna pay about $170 for shipping, I'm looking to get rid of my TC-P60ST50-2 for like 1590USD. Perfect condition, been babied since it left the box and went on to my entertainment center mount.
Prophet Steve
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Not here, but I am in Europe.
Panasonic had announced that they would not be producing plasma displays anymore starting this year.
I actually have a VT25, which was the high end Panasonic in 2010. I was helping a friend pick a tv out. Sad thing is that we went to Best Buy the first time (less than a month ago) just to look and they had the 50" S series, which was in his price range and apparently a great TV. I told him in the store he should buy it now because they stopped making them. He waited about two weeks and when we went back they had no Panny plasmas, and they were sold out across NC.
Sanctuary
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Not all plasma sets are the same. While I don't have issues with persistent image retention with most games, I do have burn in. Real burn in that just won't go away. The super/ultra meter from SF4 is permanently stuck, and you can clearly see it during any scene that is close to all black. I used to have a bunch of health bars at the top of my screen from playing MvC3. That lasted for six months, and all it took was an eight hour training session on a single day. While the health bars from that game are gone, the timer is not. I still have the bars from SF4 though, and I haven't played that on this television for over a year now.
I think besides the panel type, the anti burn in/image retention scroller your set comes with is a factor too. Mine is just some generic white vertical bar that quickly scrolls across the screen. My friend has one that scrolls the entire screen down the greyscale from white to dark grey.
WTF, why? The only other company making them (good sets anyway) is Samsung, but they still aren't as good for the cost.
Prophet Steve
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Too low margins, technology is not suitable for the 4K resolutions so there is not a whole lot of development anymore. It is a shame, but that is why I bought one a month ago or so.
They lost 15 billion during the years of plasma production.
Im not sure but samsung and LG share tech or something? most of their gimmics are similar as are the PC/Game mode benifits
Is OLED motion blur/input lag non-existent on those 2 OLED models you mentioned?
PolarGamer
Member
There are some Panasonic zt60s still for sale where i live. Do those of you who bought one still recommend it? Want to keep it plasma as long as possible.
Edit: Buying with gaming and movies in mind. Money is not really an object since price has almost halved since release.
Edit: Buying with gaming and movies in mind. Money is not really an object since price has almost halved since release.
WHOAguitarninja
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There is blur in game mode unless you use backlight strobing. It seems to be about average for a high quality LCD unless you turn on backlight strobing, but I'm comparing it to PC monitors so that may affect the comparison somewhat. To see the difference, hook up a PC to it and drag something around the screen and flip between the two modes. The difference is incredibly obvious to me. You're right that it's inherent to LCDs and any other sample and hold technology. Non low perisistence OLED suffers too.
The difference in latency with backlight strobing is about 1/2 frame, which is what you would expect given that it shows the last half of the frame to give the screen time to settle to a steady state.
Well when you compare a PC monitor with 2-5ms to a Large TV of course there will be a difference.
That is different. The screen refreshes 4 times while receiving that 60hz input. Therefore less issues.
If you careful while playing games and don't do an 8 hour practice run of SSFIV on it, the ZT is the best Plamsa for 2013.
Brightness almost halves. Considering how bright LCD's are to start with, that is not too bad.
Widgetcraft
Neo Member
I really love my Panasonic plasma, it is unfortunate that they will not longer be made. The early stigma for plasmas surrounding the old burn-in issues really made plasmas a hard sell for a lot of people.
Yeah thats quite impressive, does the strength of the backlight effect/improve the motion blur or is that purely strobbing and refresh rate?
I have never had a Plasma, always liked the vibrancy of the LED colours but im sure the plasmas have improved on that and the gaming benefits on plasma leave it saddening that its dying.
Pity the manufacturers didnt have a specific warranty on burn in, im sure that would have helped?
Lets hope OLED can pick up the gaming TV mantle, hopefully good response times/no motion blur and bright Colours and deeper blacks await
Yeah thats quite impressive, does the strength of the backlight effect/improve the motion blur or is that purely strobbing and refresh rate?
I have never had a Plasma, always liked the vibrancy of the LED colours but im sure the plasmas have improved on that and the gaming benefits on plasma leave it saddening that its dying.
Pity the manufacturers didnt have a specific warranty on burn in, im sure that would have helped?
Lets hope OLED can pick up the gaming TV mantle, hopefully good response times/no motion blur and bright Colours and deeper blacks await
It's the strobing. Resetting the LCD/LED to black helps mitigate the crystal holding on to the last frame.
Rex_Harrison
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A warranty for burn in from the manufacturer would've led to people abusing their sets near the 1 year mark so they could get burn in, return it, and get a new one. You'd also still get the honest and dumb people that get burn in returning their sets too.
To answer your question, A burn in warranty from the manufacturer would've boosted the confidence of the consumers and possibly led to more sales, but would've have financially ruined the manufacturers even more than they already have been.
lostinblue
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They seem too be quite stingy with that here in Portugal. Went to the lengths of taking 3 months to replace a panel and then refused to give any further assistance for warranty purposes. The warranty is void they said, despite the fact they didn't make it clear from the start. (sounds illegal, and yeah, it is - but they're not budging)
And some other people are battling them legally because they refused to change a panel with burn-in. Seems like trading the panel is a toss in for them.
Doesn't seem to be standard though, looking elsewhere in Europe, so maybe we're just managed by idiots who enjoy bad publicity.
See You Next Wednesday
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Didn't they drop the prices to under $5,000 already for them?
Haint
Member
Long gone, they've even sold every single floor model at my local stores.
So weird. In Germany if you want one, you can still easily get them and at excellent prices too.
lostinblue
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I've seen it, 900 euros for a 42GT60, that's positively awesome.
But they don't ship them here.
Succinct Verbosity
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So what's the best replacement for panasonic plasmas now?
lostinblue
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^ Samsung F8500, the upcoming Samsung H7000 plasma panels and perhaps Sony W900A and W950B I suppose.
So new W7 is a good follow up for gaming-centered W6:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl42w705b-201402233639.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl42w705b-201402233639.htm
Sanctuary
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Honestly, 4k doesn't mean a thing to me if we end up getting stuck with the blacks of LCD forever. A 4k picture with shitty contrast is still a picture with shitty contrast.
Not everyone feels like paying $3000+ for a television, nor do they have room for a 50'' or higher set.
AlimNassor
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Good,but, is it anywhere but the UK?
THIS!
42" would be a perfect size for me, but Sony doesn't seem to make it available in the U.S.
The W7 has been available where I live since last year. I frankly still don't quite see the difference between it and the W6, seems the extra hdmi connectors is about it.
AlimNassor
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Anyways, the 32" W6 series here are nearly $700. 42" is probably gunna be nearly a $1000. No thanks.
The_Afroman
Member
OK. Look I have a 65 inch Mitsubishi DLP That i love. LOVE never had an issue with it gaming wise. Yes i know Plasma Master Race are going to say it had all sorts of delays/issues/etc but it was best bang for my buck back in 2008.
Now. I am looking to upgrade. I will not get anything less than 65 inches. (zing)
I have been looking at the VIZIO M701d-A3R and the Sharp Sharp LC-70LE757
Both 240HZ and LED.
Anyone on here have one of these? impressions?
So excited to upgrade.
Now. I am looking to upgrade. I will not get anything less than 65 inches. (zing)
I have been looking at the VIZIO M701d-A3R and the Sharp Sharp LC-70LE757
Both 240HZ and LED.
Anyone on here have one of these? impressions?
So excited to upgrade.
Looking for an LED 50 inch to replace my 40 inch Samsung. Don't want to spend more than $1000. 3D and Smart TV would be nice but not necessary. Looking for decent lag times and 120 hz. Don't know if 240 hz is mandatory or not now days.
Was looking at http://www.abt.com/product/68810/Sony-KDL50R550A.html
Was looking at http://www.abt.com/product/68810/Sony-KDL50R550A.html
I thought they'll add Triluminos to their lower series but they didn't, which is disappointing.
still that low lag is amazing.
the 42'' W705 need to be lower in price by £100 because £650 is kinda a bit too much for that size.
W700 is the one we got last year this is W705.
Prophet Steve
Member
Well yeah, but that is what OLED is for. It is just a shame that they have stopped producing Plasma panels while OLED still cannot really replace plasma.
The ZT60 is probably the best plasma TV in existence, and that might be the case forever. The difference with the VT60 is not too big apparently though, the biggest thing is less reflections.
If the price difference is not too big for you and you still see the VT60 available, I should take a look at it. If money really is not a problem, definitely go for the ZT60.
Hey guys, finally entered the HD era, and I was checking out the recommended viewing distance charts out of curiosity. So, I got a 39' tv (1080p), and I see that recommendations vary, but the gist of it appears to be that my sofa is supposed to be 4-6 feet away from my tv screen? That seems way too close to sit to a tv.
Do you need a mammoth size television just to have a coffee table and some space between your tv and your sofa and still be at the recommended viewing distance?
Do you need a mammoth size television just to have a coffee table and some space between your tv and your sofa and still be at the recommended viewing distance?
AlimNassor
Banned
I sit a few feet away from a 42". I don't seethe issue.
2.5m from a 65". 120" if I turn on the projector. Ever been to a cinema in your life? It can't be big enough.
mitchman
Gold Member
The viewing distance charts tend to be inaccurate at best, and downright wrong at other times. See http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-201312153517.htm for a good example on how 4k viewing distances is so wrong on those charts out there.
...Yes, I have been to a cinema. I also have a living room with a coffee table and two extra chairs in addition to the sofa, so there is seating for five people to sit and talk to each other or watch the tv when it's on. If theater seating is the answer, that's cool and all, it's just not something I'm capable of doing in my current house/budget.
lostinblue
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I was only answering a question.
Plasmas in later years also started on the ~40" territory which isn't exactly small and rendered them as a non-option to certain people, progressing to higher places now is inevitable unless stuff like Truluminos or Quattron get to be wide spread.
OLED TV is also starting @ 55", they're not looking lower for the time being.
Sanctuary
Member
No, that's not really a good example.
4k doesn't matter for gaming on "next gen" consoles, and will only make a difference if you have a powerful gaming PC and the game actually has textures to support such a high resolution. You can increase the resolution all you like, but if the textures remain firmly stuck at 720p, they are going to stand out.
Also, in regards to the "it can't be big enough" people; you don't want the screen to be so large compared to your viewing distance that you actually have to scan it while watching. You should be sitting at a distance where the image fills your field of view, but does not go outside of it. Sitting closer than three and a half feet for something like a 42'' is way too close, just like sitting less than six feet away from a 55'' is way too close.
mitchman
Gold Member
Well, it's an example that the charts doesn't always convey the impression of real human eyes.
I sit around 7-8 feet from a Samsung 65" F9005 4k TV, and the image fills my view more or less completely. It's actually so addictive to site so relatively close, I'm hard pressed to move the TV further back 2 feet to its permanent position. I expect Steam boxes will do 4k over HDMI 2.0 within 2-3 years without costing a fortune, at which point the investment will pay off for _gaming_. For 4k content, it's glorious.
michaelius
Banned
Actually how many TVs other than Sony W8/W9 series use strobing ?
Put it in your bedroom.