Also, I've forgot to mention that I haven't bought many televisions, so outside from what was suggested already with the first post (the links we're quite helpful), I really don't know what brand to go by, let alone where to begin.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Also, I've forgot to mention that I haven't bought many televisions, so outside from what was suggested already with the first post (the links we're quite helpful), I really don't know what brand to go by, let alone where to begin.
Rex_Harrison
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There's not a TV available right now that meets all the things you want.
If you want low input lag, Sony has the lowest, but their blacks are shit. Unless you get the W900a but that's a 55" going for about $1600 and I've read that even those have some issues where you can see the backlight shining through in dark scenes.
From my personal experience, I would recommend the 2013 Samsung F7100. The lag is in the low 30ms range, which is solid. It has a really nice picture and the black levels are pretty solid too. It might be out of your budget though.
If I were you I'd wait for the 2014 models to come out which should be in a couple months, and look out for Cnet reviews on them. Cnet will tell you about the black level, uniformity, input lag, color, etc. This years crop of TV's should best last years by a big margin. Last year almost every LED TV was edge lit which equals junk. This year there will be quite a few Full Array back lit sets which are superior in every way to Edge lit. You might have to wait until late summer to get some good deals on the new batch, but it'd be worth the wait IMO.
Avoid Edge Lit TV's if you can.
AlimNassor
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why?
Rex_Harrison
Banned
You clearly have not seen a recent Vizio in person. The 2013 M series was one of the highest rated LED TV's on the market last year. I owned a couple, besides displaying the usual Edge Lit flaws, it was awesome. Gamma was on point, at times the blacks were very good however it was hurt by only having 16 dimming zones.
I expect the Vizio P series to be THE best bang for the buck TV of 2014 and easily hit the top 5 sets of the year, at a fraction the cost of comparable sets.
Prophet Steve
Member
Wowa, I am surprised it got updated, good to see. I do hope it fixes the input lag, should probably look more on the avsforum.
EDIT: Not out for Europe yet and the only thing it should improve is the lip sync issue, I doubt they do that by fixing the input lag otherwise they would have listed that.
Plenty on here have a W6.great set at that price point. I have a 50W685 and am very happy with it. Low input lag, fantastic black levels, beautiful slim bezel.
The only couple of negatives would be no motion flow, so the motion resolution is no better than normal LCD TVs, and if you want to wall mount it, it doesn't use standard VESA mounting (but it does come with a wall mount - the stand converts into one)
I didnt think there was HDMI 2.0 cables out yet, or outputs (PS4 for example 1.4) that would make use of it, 2.0 is extra bandwidth? I wonder if that would still benefit lower spec HDMI inputs.
This thread is going to be gold when the 2014 TV's start rolling out properly.
mitchman
Gold Member
HDMI 2.0 can use 1.4 cables as it's pin compatible. No need to update any cables unless you want to be scammed and buy some expensive "gold" cables.
Cheers. I typically understood digital is digital, only perhaps interference being a factor, I thought there was also a bandwidth factor also. Good to know.
only W8 doesnt have good blacks, and 2014 W8 fixed that.
mitchman
Gold Member
The cable don't really care about the bandwidth, but using "high speed" cables helps here. Pretty much all cheap HDMI cables sold these days handle 2.0 just fine, the same way most HDMI 1.3 cables handled 1.4 just fine.
IblisGinjo
Member
The best results would be from a totally light controlled room. In order to deal with ambient light, you'll want to look into finding a model that's rather bright.
As for vibrant images, you tell me?
Is that your setup? If so what brand & model are you using?
Mattlikewhoa
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lostinblue
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(1920x1080) x 2 = 3840x2160
(1280x720) x 3 = 3840x2160
Meaning, one pixel of either these resolutions is gonna be either 2*2 (4 pixel squares) or 3*3 (6 pixel square's) hence scaling is supposed to be really easy to not screw up and the resolution value was clearly chosen for that.
In reality, right now it's a "not so" LG and Samsung have nondefeatable sharpening to a point that introduces ringing and Sony TV's have an issue that means they can't actually solve 1080p detail on a 4K screen (1:1 patterns get diluted) unless you tick a special option that means the TV now has bandwidth problems, which create artifacts with 1080p action scenes.
Panasonic TV's have no issues as of now (no undefeatable sharpening that I heard of, no ringing and no problem solving 1080p 1:1 checkerboard detail), but suffices to be said, they're all gonna improve, we just don't know how much they improved this year.
Buying 4K is kinda bullocks right now, and the "future proofness" involved very and I mean very, erm... in doubt.
If they can't support H.265 4K they're pretty much sitting ducks at this point when it comes to the SmartTV/media center component for instance. If one wants to dive into 4K standards, wait for the Blu-Ray standard and players to be ready, because TV's will follow, right now they're glorified beta-testing prototypes smeared with marketing one liners.
Definitely a "don't buy" recommendation from me, if that's worth anything. I've touched on it a little more in-depth here and here, it's lengthy and I think I could have worded it better in places, but it's still indicative.
What's in it for it? Does it downscale 4K now?
midasmulligan
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Anyone have any experience playing on samsung un60f6350 tvs?
killertofu
Member
Went to Best Buy today and all the Sammy's were gone...
What's the next best choice around that price range? (Maybe cheaper)
What's the next best choice around that price range? (Maybe cheaper)
Rex_Harrison
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What price range ? Samsungs range from $400 to $6K+
You need to give the specific model you were looking for, or at least a price range.
killertofu
Member
Whoops, I meant the Panasonic plasma tvs. Like the VT series
I use a W6 which is essentially the same thing when gaming. You can use either Game or Graphics scene mode, both display full 4:4:4 chroma resolution plus full RGB and have next to no input lag. If you leave scene mode on Auto it'll default to Graphics mode when it receives a PC signal through HDMI. Also automatically switches to Cinema when it receives a 24fps signal.
W8 purchase justified
Yeah, I'm glad I got my 50W685 at the end of last year now. Is pretty much this years W8 but with passive 3D instead of active. Just missing a couple of HDMI/USB ports and the motion enhancement options, none of which I'd use anyway.
Monty Mole
Member
Those black levels are abysmal. Still so pleased with my VT65. One year on and it still makes me say 'wow' constantly.
I'm hoping this year's OLED TVs will get their input lag down to a reasonable level, so we finally have an alternative to plasma.
0.2 cd/m2 black level with a checkerboard. eww. Why would they go IPS?
Thats compared to 0.04 cd/m2 on the W6 from last year (or what seems to be a similar set - the W7 this year)
last year the W6 seemed a better buy than the W8. This year the W8 seems better than the W9. Maybe next year they'll have a full range with no obvious issues
edit: just catching up on their reviews. Seems like the W8 is the sweet spot this year, and it looks the same size as my 50W6 for not much more money so I'd have been tempted purely for the motionflow. But the 3D seems poorly implemented with lower resolution and crosstalk. So for anyone not too worried about motionflow and 3D, the W7 is the one to go for - both seem to have identical performance otherwise.
I just hope we get some more OLED's this year in any shape or form!
Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with my 50W685 as well in comparison to this years 50W829. Especially for the £649 I ended up paying for it.
ah, you got a 685 too. Love mine, the passive 3D is suprisingly good, and I found out it has a satellite tuner which can pick up freesat channels, and record them to a USB HDD. Was priceless when my Tivo broke.
WHOAguitarninja
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I do. I use 'Game' with some options adjusted. I haven't compared latency in the two modes.
Only LG will release an Oled this year.
from Sony´s support site:
the update is for several TVs, and the HDMI 2.0 stuff applies to 4k models only as it seems (x900a for example).
Can it connect to the internet fine? There may be problems there somewhere.
AlimNassor
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Would changing the HDMI port to PC on my Vizio E420i-B0 improve game performance or is game mode fine? I'd like to get as much out of this TV as possible.
CyberChulo
Member
Go with a Projector for the total immersive experience! I originally got it for Uncharted 2. Then I tried Time Crisis 4 and WHOA! Check out the video and start at 4:55 to see what i'm talking about. This was taken before I got a real screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkH_goMALW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkH_goMALW0
Gaming seems good on it, input lag recorded at 16.9ms with a smooth option for gaming that only adds 8ms if you like that feature, 25ms.
Anyone here use 2.4?
"Sony continue to fly the 2.4 gamma flag high, and we absolutely respect them for it. After all, the International Communications Union (ITU) has since 2011 recommended 2.4 as the EOTF (electro-optical transfer function) for flat-screen HDTVs used for dark-room studio mastering."
My TV and alot of people tv's do benefit slightly from the PC mode. Definitely worth a try. Also worth trying PC mode, RGB High on PS4 + Black levels on High /recalibrate brightness/contrast.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/so...isc-can-store-up-to-1tb-of-data/1100-6418200/
Can some one make a thread about this for me please ? If there isn't one already thanx.
Can some one make a thread about this for me please ? If there isn't one already thanx.
I leave it at the default 2.4 gamma for films and television. Dial it up a couple of notches to 2.2 for gaming though.
Rex_Harrison
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Holy shit this years W9 ( Sony's flagship 1080p set) performs worse than last years entry level Vizio. It'll cost about 4X as much to add insult to injury.
WTF ? Why would they do that ? At the very least they should've just re-released last years W9.
Rex_Harrison
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This is a terrible gaming TV. Aside from low input lag what else does it do well ? Motion is a downgrade from last years model, black levels are record breaking bad for a flagship TV. The blacks are like Olevia bad, or Sceptre bad. This TV is a huge Fuck You to Sony customers. They're going to charge $2k + for this turd. Did you see the god awful screen uniformity from the pictures? Holy shit !
You'd be better off getting the W7 if you must have below 20ms lag.
Wow, what a huge piece of shit.
There's always next year... and S60/ST60/VT60 if you can find one of those.
lostinblue
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And the rest of the W900A stock which now seems like a steal.
WTF sony.