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[Erigu]

It's a Kojima-sanctioned timeline he wrote everything for. Of course it's a Kojima timeline.

Now you're just making stuff up in order to dodge the argument. There's absolutely nothing saying "we're only listing the games written by Kojima".
There's a list of Metal Gear games, they talk of a "『メタルギア』シリーズ正史" (which could be translated into something like "Metal Gear series official timeline", indeed), and Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops is skipped over entirely (in release order, Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater is said to be the 5th game belonging in that timeline, Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots the 6th, and Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker the 7th).

 

[News Bot]

Now you're just making stuff up in order to dodge the argument.

That's the argument you're going to use? I mean, I'm sure it doesn't include all of the timeline entries Kojima had written already for nothing.

But let's roll with your logic and just say Kojima had no involvement... guess it doesn't matter! Regardless of what the timeline implies (or otherwise), Kojima has stated it is canon. Thus it is canon. His word supersedes any written material. That timeline is only concerned with main stories, and Kojima has acknowledged that PO isn't a main story. I don't see how this is so difficult to grasp.

EDIT: http://www.konami.jp/mg25th/truth/chronicles.html

1970年
ゼロ少佐「FOX」を解散
米首脳、残りの遺産を入手。「賢者達」は「愛国者達」と改名

1971年
ビッグボスが「FOX」に対抗するため「FOXHOUND」部隊を設立

1972
ゼロ「恐るべき子供達計画」実施。
ビッグボスの子供達（ソリッド、リキッド）生まれる

1974
CIA中米支局「平和歩行計画」実施。

1970
Major Zero's "FOX" is dissolved.
The American leaders obtain the remaining Legacy. The "Wiseman's Committee" changes its name to "The Patriots."

1971
Big Boss establishes the "FOXHOUND" unit to oppose "FOX."

1972
Zero implements the Les Enfants Terribles Project.
The sons of Big Boss (Solid and Liquid) are born.

1974
The CIA Central American Bureau implements the "Peace Walker Project."

Wasn't it said earlier that The Patriots didn't need the rest of the Legacy, thus PO wasn't canon? lol.

 

[Rogue Agent]

I think one of the biggest ones was that at the end of Portable Ops, Gene gives Big Boss a huge stash of funds to build his own private army/fortress. It is unclear if it's Philosopher's Legacy level of $$$ but anyway fast forward to Peace Walker, and it's clear Snake is pretty much broke with a few measly soldiers lol

Maybe Big Boss handed Gene's money to Cipher to add to the Legacy, since he joined them.

 

[News Bot]

I wonder, I wonder, I wonder... how fickle doth be Kojima-kamisama?

Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater (Credit Timeline)

1971
ビッグボスはゼロ少佐の意志を継いで、「ＦＯＸ」を元に「ＦＯＸＨＯＵＮＤ」部隊を設立。

Carrying on the will of Major Zero's "FOX", Big Boss establishes "FOXHOUND" unit.

Metal Gear Series Official Timeline

1971
ビッグボスが「FOX」に対抗するため「FOXHOUND」部隊を設立

Big Boss establishes the "FOXHOUND" unit to oppose "FOX."

 

[Erigu]

That timeline is only concerned with main stories

It doesn't say anything about that either. Making stuff up once again.

Wasn't it said earlier that The Patriots didn't need the rest of the Legacy, thus PO wasn't canon? lol.

Wut?
And isn't that all from Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater?

 

[Alienous]

I wonder, I wonder, I wonder... how fickle doth be Kojima-kamisama?

Considering Portable Ops as canon, or even as outside of the canon, those events aren't mutually exclusive.

Big Boss forms FOXHOUND using the FOX unit Zero commanded as a template, to oppose the new FOX unit headed by Gene when Zero is ousted.

The title of the unit hints as it being made to take down FOX anyway. Foxhounds are dogs that hunt foxes. That's why I'm thinking Diamond Dogs might be the African branch of FOXHOUND.

 

[Spaghetti]

r.e: stuff in the credits (mileage may vary on how interesting you find it)

looks like kriss zimmerman-salter is still the voice director. kind of puts the "it wasn't hayter it was the voice direction!" shit to bed regarding bad performances considering sutherland did pretty well.

also confirms that kojima productions are using studios in china and india for some art assets to keep costs down and reduce the workload on the main team.

8-4 aren't doing the english localisation.

 

[News Bot]

It doesn't say anything about that either. Making stuff up once again.

Do you need it to hold your hand?

It's the reason Rising, Portable Ops, Ghost Babel, Mobile, AC!D and so on aren't listed. They're not main stories, regardless of whether they're canon or not. It's not a "canon guideline." Just a timeline for the main stories.

Considering Portable Ops as canon, or even as outside of the canon, those events aren't mutually exclusive.

Big Boss forms FOXHOUND using the FOX unit Zero commanded as a template, to oppose the new FOX unit headed by Gene when Zero is ousted.

The title of the unit hints as it being made to take down FOX anyway. Foxhounds are dogs that hunt foxes. That's why I'm thinking Diamond Dogs might be the African branch of FOXHOUND.

The MGS3 timeline also just says that Zero disbanded FOX, nothing about FOX going rogue; this was created specifically for Portable Ops and is never mentioned anywhere else, yet here is Portable Ops' version of events included in that timeline. My point is that Kojima makes it up as he goes along. Even if things can be conveniently explained, they are still an afterthought. That's why contradictions in this series aren't really admissible as evidence of canon, particularly when the writer openly doesn't give a shit about them and will retcon anything for the sake of creating what he perceives to be a compelling story.

 

[bernardobri]

I haven't listened the tapes yet (planning to do that once I get the game), but is there any mention of Zero looking for getting on good terms again with Big Boss?

 

[Alienous]

The MGS3 timeline also just says that Zero disbanded FOX, nothing about FOX going rogue; this was created specifically for Portable Ops. My point is that Kojima makes it up as he goes along. Even if things can be conveniently explained, they are still an afterthought. That's why contradictions in this series aren't really admissible as evidence of canon, particularly when the writer openly doesn't give a shit about them and will retcon anything for the sake of creating what he perceives to be a compelling story.

Kojima has said that he makes it up as he goes along. That's true. Kojima didn't write Portable Ops, though.

Portable Ops is the only Metal Gear Solid game, other than MGS4 (at the end of the timeline), that has no events that impacts the other games, even when they should. It isn't so much that it gets contradicted. It just isn't acknowledged by any of the other games, at all. Events like the founding of FOXHOUND were canon before Portable Ops.

It's canon, because all it takes to be canon is the creator saying so. But it, so far, bares no relevance on any of the other games in the series.

I haven't listened the tapes yet (planning to do that once I get the game), but is there any mention of Zero looking for getting on good terms again with Big Boss?

No, but here's a theory of mine. Mild spoilers.

In the tapes Kaz mentions that the inspection of Mother Base (that doesn't end well for the militia) was orchestrated by Cipher (Zero). Big Boss doesn't seem to respond, and doesn't seem convinced that it is Zero. It isn't, it's Skull Face. So, here's where the crazy speculation comes in. Kaz hates Big Boss in Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2. Maybe Big Boss returns to America to 'form' Diamond Dogs (which I've theorized is a devision of FOXHOUND 'Fox hunting dogs'), and ends up teaming up with Cipher (Zero) who has a large presence in America (I imagine he would have to at some point, to lead FOXHOUND), which could cause Kaz to feel betrayed and ..

Ah, nevermind. No, he doesn't mention joining with Zero.

 

[News Bot]

Kojima has said that he makes it up as he goes along. That's true. Kojima didn't write Portable Ops, though.

Portable Ops is the only Metal Gear Solid game, other than MGS4 (at the end of the timeline), that has no events that impacts the other games, even when they should. It isn't so much that it gets contradicted. It just isn't acknowledged by any of the other games, at all. Events like the founding of FOXHOUND were canon before Portable Ops.

It's canon, because all it takes to be canon is the creator saying so. But it, so far, bares no relevance on any of the other games in the series.

When did anyone say otherwise? However, Kojima has referenced and alluded to its plot points in both MGS4 and Peace Walker.

The founding of FOXHOUND was canon, no doubt. The details surrounding it, the fact that it was founded to combat FOX, was not. That wasn't a thing until Portable Ops. Heck, it's even outright stated by Major Zero, albeit in the first trailer for PO. Kojima kept that plot detail, and the rest of Portable Ops, even though he didn't write it. Hot Coldman's character is pretty much entirely an answer to one of PO's questions, yet Coldman contradicts MGS3 because he is still an afterthought, and it was Kojima who made the fumble.

That said, Portable Ops' plot got rewritten at some point to remove FOXHOUND until the ending. Never understood this.

 

[Spaghetti]

theorising over the post-credits timeline

- mentions of vietnam's reunification might have greater meaning in context, two halves becoming whole

- the us-soviet cooperative space mission also leads into this, remember what the boss said about enemies of today being the friends of tomorrow?

- les enfants terribles being abandoned in 1976. can either be read as stopping cloning attempts, or abandoning whatever future plans were made for solid/liquid/solidus. i think it's more the later. it's probable zero realised that with big boss in a coma he was unlikely to come out of, that there would be no real need to keep his insurance plan against bb around. given what we already know about the series the children drifted into the military in one way or another, but only solid was the one 'controlled' by zero. maybe intentionally.

- the underground nuclear facility was already confirmed as the next motherbase by game informer if i remember right. what's interesting is that it's beneath the kalahari desert

- iranian revolution, friends becoming enemies. an emerging pattern.

- nicaraguan revolution. the sandinistas succeed. probably plays into what happens to amanda post-ground zeroes.

- soviet union invade afghanistan. we already know we'll be visiting here so it's probably just context for the phantom pain.

- "dr 'huey' emmerich's first child born". interesting language regarding 'first child'. we know emma was his step-daughter though... so unless that's a canon/translation mix up or a gross incest based retcon, there may be another emmerich sibling we don't know about.

and the rest just seems historical in regards to us interventionism and the establishment of guantanamo bay

not a tremendous amount of teasing but i think there's slightly more to the ending of ground zeroes than meets the eye.

 

[fokkusu]

People are just angry because Snake's Revenge isn't canon.

And also Ghost Babel.

 

[Erigu]

It's the reason Rising, Portable Ops, Ghost Babel, Mobile, AC!D and so on aren't listed.

Making stuff up still. It doesn't say anything about that. You're merely claiming that's the reason, because that's more convenient for you.

It's not a "canon guideline." Just a timeline for the main stories.

Same here. You're ignoring what the page actually says ("『メタルギア』シリーズ正史") and making stuff up.

Look. I'm not denying Kojima said Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops was canonical. I'm just saying he doesn't act like it is, and pointing out various ways in which the game is oddly skipped over or ignored entirely, one of which being an article talking about a "『メタルギア』シリーズ正史" / "Metal Gear series official timeline" that lists and numbers games of that timeline and omits Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops (Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops not being part of the "正史" makes it part of what kind of "史", exactly?).

But I've said all that already... I guess there's just no point...

- "dr 'huey' emmerich's first child born". interesting language regarding 'first child'. we know emma was his step-daughter though... so unless that's a canon/translation mix up or a gross incest based retcon, there may be another emmerich sibling we don't know about.

"First child" is a fairly common expression in Japanese that doesn't necessarily imply more children. Here, the timeline also specifies the child is named "Hal", so it seems rather straightforward and I don't think it hints at anything suspect at all.
(interesting how Strangelove left Mother Base right before the inspection though... I can see why Kaz would interrogate Huey later on)

 

[News Bot]

Man, all this talk about making things up and yet you can't even defend your own position beyond conveniences.

Portable Ops isn't included because it isn't a main story. It is part of the canon, but not the main series. Just like Rising, but different from AC!D. Call it expanded universe or whatever you want, but it's canon. You can complain about how it doesn't explicitly mention this, but it doesn't have to. It doesn't need to hold your hand and whisper sweet things in your ear. There is no other real explanation when you take all the evidence into account.

 

[Spaghetti]

"First child" is a fairly common expression in Japanese that doesn't necessarily imply more children. Here, the timeline also specifies the child is named "Hal", so it seems rather straightforward and I don't think it hints at anything suspect at all.
(interesting how Strangelove left Mother Base right before the inspection though... I can see why Kaz would interrogate Huey later on)

weird that the phrasing didn't get ironed out for the localisation though, but mgs has a history of very literal translation regardless.

 

[Erigu]

weird that the phrasing didn't get ironed out for the localisation though, but mgs has a history of very literal translation regardless.

Yeah, I got that impression several times while watching videos of the English version.

 

[Metal Gear?!]

Fun Fact: the guy doing the Metal Gear Series livestream on twitch was issuing temporary and permanent bans to anyone who kept questioning the canonicity of Portable Ops during the stream. At one point he broke down and went on a 5 minute rant about it. It was hilarious.

This is nonsense and pretty much not how canons work. Take a look at the Resident Evil series if you want an example. There are several games which are flat-out never mentioned, but are entirely canon because CAPCOM say so. MPO is acknowledged in Peace Walker so it's been "done" fine.



Is MGS2 no longer canon because Big Boss's age was contradicted in MGS3? Come on. Kojima makes everything up as he goes along and openly doesn't care about retcons or plot holes.

MPO is not a main story, but it is canon. In Japanese fiction, these are typically referred to as "extra editions." Stories which have no dramatic impact on the development or outcome of the main plot, but are still part of the mythology. MPO isn't strictly ignored, it's outright referenced in Peace Walker (exactly how Resident Evil Survivor is referenced in Resident Evil Zero) but is not given a lot of attention because it's not a main story and was not written by Kojima. Yet Kojima himself openly acknowledges it as part of his own universe, which he does not do for several other games.

It is convenient that people only accept Kojima's "Word of God" when it personally suits them.



This guy gets it. Right now Kojima treats Portable Ops and Rising the same way, distinct from Ghost Babel, Mobile, etc.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104103057&postcount=984

He does huh?

Look, you can have multiple "levels" of canon to handle contradictions, that's the way some religions handle it, and the way Star Wars (basically a religion) used to handle it.

But if you don't explicitly make that distinction and just say "it's canon" then either that means nothing or is flat-out wrong. So in terms of Kojima saying PO is "canon" then either he is lying or there's a translation issue/misunderstanding and he really meant it's like the Star Wars expanded universe used to be, where things are only canon until they are inevitably contradicted by a "Main Game."

Which is certainly possible, but the only available english version of what he said does not say that.

 

[Rogue Agent]

In the tapes Kaz mentions that the inspection of Mother Base (that doesn't end well for the militia) was orchestrated by Cipher (Zero). Big Boss doesn't seem to respond, and doesn't seem convinced that it is Zero. It isn't, it's Skull Face. So, here's where the crazy speculation comes in. Kaz hates Big Boss in Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2. Maybe Big Boss returns to America to 'form' Diamond Dogs (which I've theorized is a devision of FOXHOUND 'Fox hunting dogs'), and ends up teaming up with Cipher (Zero) who has a large presence in America (I imagine he would have to at some point, to lead FOXHOUND), which could cause Kaz to feel betrayed and ..

Ah, nevermind. No, he doesn't mention joining with Zero.

Yeah, Kaz mentions "payback from Cipher" and Snake says "using the UN", right?

Also, Chico mentions on his tape that he's being held by Cipher.

So, I suppose Skull Face is framing Cipher for all of this. I think XOF sent an Advance Team so perhaps those were the UN inspectors.

 

[fokkusu]

I think XOF sent...

Isn't it FOX? Text XOF is just for mirrors like the ambulances have.

 

[News Bot]

Look, you can have multiple "levels" of canon to handle contradictions, that's the way some religions handle it, and the way Star Wars (basically a religion) used to handle it.

But if you don't explicitly make that distinction and just say "it's canon" then either that means nothing or is flat-out wrong. So in terms of Kojima saying PO is "canon" then either he is lying or there's a translation issue/misunderstanding and he really meant it's like the Star Wars expanded universe used to be, where things are only canon until they are inevitably contradicted by a "Main Game."

Which is certainly possible, but the only available english version of what he said does not say that.

You do realize that Ground Zeroes bit only proves my point about main stories, right?

Yet a main game references Portable Ops. And all related series material has been edited to reflect plot details mentioned only in Portable Ops. Portable Ops was also developed as a companion piece to MGS4, and they each reference relevant plot details between them. Despite all this Portable Ops is not important. You can ignore it in your "head canon", but it's officially classed as canon, just not on the same level as others.

There have been no contradictions against the game that are in any way different from the contradictions between every main game. Just because he does not treat it the same as his own games does not mean it isn't canon. I've given Resident Evil as an example before, because it's the exact same case.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Isn't it FOX? Text XOF is just for mirrors like the ambulances have.

FOX was disbanded, though. And I think Kaz refers to XOF in the Jamais Vu mission.

 

[ktroopa]

collect the 9 patches of XOF.

Hint? Roll the snake.

Im clueless, where are the patches plz?

 

[ZeroMaverick]

Is it true there's no platinum?

 

[Alienous]

Yeah, Kaz mentions "payback from Cipher" and Snake says "using the UN", right?

Also, Chico mentions on his tape that he's being held by Cipher.

So, I suppose Skull Face is framing Cipher for all of this. I think XOF sent an Advance Team so perhaps those were the UN inspectors.

The UN impostors are the guys who are with Skull Face in his helicopter. They all remove their XOF badges, and have blue tape on their helmets. UN soldiers are usually signified by a blue helmet. It's clear that Skull Face wants no evidence of the units association with the attack. Which would leave the blame on Cipher.

 

[ElFly]

This puts in question the canonicitifity of Metal Gear Rising!

Then again, that game doesn't contain Snake so whatevs.

Also, an all cyborg future doesn't bode well for tactical espionage action.

 

[Rogue Agent]

The UN impostors are the guys who are with Skull Face in his helicopter. They all remove their XOF badges, and have blue tape on their helmets. UN soldiers are usually signified by a blue helmet. It's clear that Skull Face wants no evidence of the units association with the attack. Which would leave the blame on Cipher.

Oh, thanks for the clarification. So, I assume the Advance Team just scouted out the area?

Also, does this mean that the blue tapes on their helmets will be removed in TPP? I ask that because there are also XOF soldiers with white helmets in that game.

 

[Spaghetti]

remember that shot of skull face walking out of the chopper during his 'introduction' in the e3 phantom pain trailer?

i'd always assumed that'd be part of ground zeroes, did anybody else?

then again, i have a feeling we may see a 'replay' of what went down motherbase from a different perspective in the phantom pain.

 

[Alienous]

remember that shot of skull face walking out of the chopper during his 'introduction' in the e3 phantom pain trailer?

i'd always assumed that'd be part of ground zeroes, did anybody else?

then again, i have a feeling we may see a 'replay' of what went down motherbase from a different perspective in the phantom pain.

The 'put your guns down, boys, I got this' swagger?

Yeah, I'm not sure where else it'd fit in.

 

[Spaghetti]

The 'put your guns down, boys, I got this' swagger?

Yeah, I'm not sure where else it'd fit in.

it could be later on in the timeline, but it certainly looked like it took place on motherbase.

then again, the scenes with miller on the helipad look like motherbase too, which could be location replacement... or hinting motherbase gets rebuilt. at the same time there's the disused nuclear facility that'll apparently be acting as the base in the phantom pain...

then there's the torture scene at camp omega too, which suggests we'll go back there... but contradicts what kojima said in the interview the other day about not being sure about including a return to camp omega. maybe we see it, but not actually have any missions set within it? i dunno. ground zeroes was very low on mysteries but it definitely casts a lot of other footage in a different light.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Them tapes, yo!

More of Kiefer's performance. It's pretty good.

And allowing Mother Base to be 'inspected' was Huey's fault.

Now deleted, but didn't it say Chico got to the base by land, but at another point they say you can't escape the base because it's surrounded by minefields? wtf.

remember that shot of skull face walking out of the chopper during his 'introduction' in the e3 phantom pain trailer?

i'd always assumed that'd be part of ground zeroes, did anybody else?

Opposite for me, it looks like it's in daylight, which didn't seem to fit GZ. I think there's XOF insignia too.

 

[Alienous]

Now deleted, but didn't it say Chico got to the base by land, but at another point they say you can't escape the base because it's surrounded by minefields? wtf.

As far as I'm aware, Chico was dropped off relatively nearby, and he climbed over the mountains. Took him 3 days. I don't know if Big Boss could manage that, with gear, while extracting multiple targets. That's what Skull Face threatened Chico with. Sure, you might make it out of the base, but you won't make it with Paz, and you won't be able to swim to Mother Base.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking this scene might not have been cut after all.

If you check the GDC trailer the footage is almost exactly the same as the ending. In this missing scene, Big Boss's face is bloodied (like after the bomb), his sneaking suit is wet and it's almost day. So I guess the chopper somehow survives the collision and they're brought back to the hospital, by which point it took too long and Big Boss's injuries put him in a coma. This is if the ending itself hasn't just been altered, but if you compare the GDC trailer and ending it doesn't suggest anything major has been changed about Big Boss's condition throughout the sequence.

 

[Jackpot]

Try to deny it any way you want in your head canon. Kojima himself has stated it is canon.

Kojima just recently stated that Portable Ops does indeed happen in the timeline. So it is canon, no matter how much some people try to deny it.

Which was just revoked in Ground Zeroes wall of shame.

And I liked PO.

 

[brandonh83]

Not looking at any other posts besides ones responding to this but I just need to know-- I'm a huge fan of Heaven's Divide and I read in the OT that it appears in the game. Is it used to nice effect or is it just sort of a throwaway inclusion? Thanks. Yes or no will suffice.

 

[News Bot]

Which was just revoked in Ground Zeroes wall of shame.

And I liked PO.

The "wall of shame" isn't a guideline to canon. It's literally just games Kojima didn't write.

Of course I could be wrong and he really could be one of the most inconsistent writers in history.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking this scene might not have been cut after all.

There is no collision if that scene wasn't cut. It's possible there wasn't a collision, but they still have to right the chopper out of its spin somehow.

As far as I'm aware, Chico was dropped off relatively nearby, and he climbed over the mountains. Took him 3 days. I don't know if Big Boss could manage that, with gear, while extracting multiple targets. That's what Skull Face threatened Chico with. Sure, you might make it out of the base, but you won't make it with Paz, and you won't be able to swim to Mother Base.

Ah, I guess so.

 

[Alienous]

Not looking at any other posts besides ones responding to this but I just need to know-- I'm a huge fan of Heaven's Divide and I read in the OT that it appears in the game. Is it used to nice effect or is it just sort of a throwaway inclusion? Thanks. Yes or no will suffice.

It's used to fantastic effect. You'll love it.

 

[Shadow2222]

Which was just revoked in Ground Zeroes wall of shame.

And I liked PO.

Yeah, I will always still enjoy PO, even if it one day is completely non-canon. The boss fights were enjoyable (if a bit simple), and against mostly human opponents, which was the one thing I found lacking in Peace Walker. If played on Vita (which I cannot, since it is only possible with the European version), I feel it would play much better with the right analog stick to control the camera.

Plus, it gave us Calling to the Night, which might still be my favorite Metal Gear song.

 

[brandonh83]

It's used to fantastic effect. You'll love it.

Thanks! So so hyped. Uh... leaving this thread now lol

See you guys on the flip side!

 

[Rogue Agent]

Gray Fox unlockable costume in Deja Vu's Hard Mode with Raiden's Ninja Run ability.

 

[Ridley327]

Gray Fox unlockable costume in Deja Vu's Hard Mode with Raiden's Ninja Run ability.

That's one hell of an incentive to play that Side Op!

 

[jett]

Gray Fox unlockable costume in Deja Vu's Hard Mode with Raiden's Ninja Run ability.

playstation owners get superior cyborg ninja

 

[Ridley327]

playstation owners get superior cyborg ninja

For all the cyborg ninjas in the series, they've never done better than the original:

The GOAT

 

[Jackpot]

arrgh, why do they insist on using those horrible PSX models?

 

[rvy]

Gray Fox unlockable costume in Deja Vu's Hard Mode with Raiden's Ninja Run ability.

Oh, neat. /mgg/ was right after all.

 

[Loxley]

Got my PS3 digital edition pre-ordered, figured I'd hold off on picking up the retail version until I upgrade to a PS4 at the end of this year.

 

[sti4thewin]

can someone help me find the last 2 deja vu scenes on my stream please

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sti4thewin---s-ps4-live-show

I'm having a hard time lining up the lights to recreate the ammo box scene

 

[jett]

arrgh, why do they insist on using those horrible PSX models?

It's the entire gimmick of that side-mission.

p.s. there's only one MGS1, and it sure isn't the one that was developed by Dyack.

 

[News Bot]

Remember Gray Fox's red exoskeleton?

Baller as fuck.