So you won't play any games with female protagonists either?
Gay community - "Why you will not see a gay lead character in a triple-A title".
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So you won't play any games with female protagonists either?
Professor Beef
Banned
Dude, you're making my dick rock-hard right now.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Holy shit you guys are spinning what he is saying way way out of proportion in it being bad.
He's trying to say some people want to relate to their characters or impose themselves on them. If they can't for whatever reason their enjoyment of the game goes down.
I don't have this issue I could play a dot that shoots little lines and goes pew pew or a walking talking turd that makes wet sloppy fart noises every step of the way.
Not everyone gets the same enjoyment out of games for the same things.
Games could use some more diversity for sure it's healthy, but don't gut the guy because he doesn't want to play a ratchet and clank game. AND I KNOW DAMN WELL what you guys are trying to make it sound like he is saying WHICH HE SURE AS FUCK DIDN'T
Edit: actually I put the word PLAY in his sentence on my own when I read it. Nevermind he did say what he said
Derp At the same time you can't force people to change their views on certain things easily. Forcing things on them doesn't make things any better in the long run makes things worse. In the long run all it would take is for people to make good games with those characters. BIgots wont buy it or maybe some will and have a small change of heart. I don't even want to remember how fucking stupid people got when GTA:SA was announced, but hey most people that are fans of the series love that game the most now Thanks for taking the time to respond so eloquently
vasametropolis
Member
"It's reverse racism!" I thought everyone had heard that term haha. I consider it a real thing... the reverse is still homophobic.
Main point being gay people shouldn't have to sit through a bunch of straight characters if they don't want to (which they do now). So things have to change, but I don't think making a bunch of gay main characters is really solving the problem.
Its definitely a difficult thing to do now only because you will never satisfy everyone.
Like for me I would want a respectable gay main character. not sterotypical portrayal.
Someone who would be looked upped to no matter what his/her race or sexual preference. intelligent, well spoken, ect. and make it clear that his/her undying love for his/her partner is real in a serious manner.
but not everyone would go for that. some would call it safe.
Like for me I would want a respectable gay main character. not sterotypical portrayal.
Someone who would be looked upped to no matter what his/her race or sexual preference. intelligent, well spoken, ect. and make it clear that his/her undying love for his/her partner is real in a serious manner.
but not everyone would go for that. some would call it safe.
akidnamededdy
Banned
How...how do you smile out loud?
I want video games to have as much diversity as possible, and I think it's good for the industry to have gay leads, female leads, and leads of every kind of race, ethnicity, identity, and background. I think the world will be a better place when both sides stop making this a political issue (and yes, it is being treated as a political issue by both sides equally).
On the other hand, as a consumer who buys video games (straight, white, and male), I only want to pay money to play as characters that I can identify with (in a story-driven game) or are a blank slate for me to put my identity into. I've never identified with any female characters in any of the games I've played featuring them (most recently The Last of Us and Gone Home), so I am less likely to buy a video game featuring a character I probably won't have anything in common with.
I'm happy to try playing a game as someone in the LGBT community, but if I have nothing to identify with, I will probably shy away from games from that point that have LGBT protagonists. I'm still okay with and would prefer an industry with all kinds of protagonists, but if it's a story driven game and I have nothing to latch on to personally in experience or personality, I won't personally pay money for that game. Feel free to call me the problem if that's how you feel, but it's nothing personal. I play what looks interesting to me.
On the other hand, as a consumer who buys video games (straight, white, and male), I only want to pay money to play as characters that I can identify with (in a story-driven game) or are a blank slate for me to put my identity into. I've never identified with any female characters in any of the games I've played featuring them (most recently The Last of Us and Gone Home), so I am less likely to buy a video game featuring a character I probably won't have anything in common with.
I'm happy to try playing a game as someone in the LGBT community, but if I have nothing to identify with, I will probably shy away from games from that point that have LGBT protagonists. I'm still okay with and would prefer an industry with all kinds of protagonists, but if it's a story driven game and I have nothing to latch on to personally in experience or personality, I won't personally pay money for that game. Feel free to call me the problem if that's how you feel, but it's nothing personal. I play what looks interesting to me.
I agree, I dont see a big deal with being a racist bigot. Why did they choose to be gay and abnormal in the first place?
/sarcasm
Devolution
Member
I can't play a character different from me and sympathize even though other people do it all of the time. Grats on your privilege.
So are games supposed to cater to every niche in every gender, religion, race, nationality, etc?
Most people are straight, therefore mmhaving a straight characters allows the most amount of players to identify with that character.
And just to be clear, I have no problems with games that do feature gay relationships as an option. It is just not an option I would use since I do not identify with it.
So hang on, you can relate to an elite soldier who lives in space, who has a dark backstory involving all his squadmates getting murdered or something, has magic space powers or magic nanomachine powers, saves the entire galaxy from a race of evil sentient robots, died, was resurrected as a cyborg, and willingly went on a suicide mission assuming he wouldn't survive...
...but your ability to relate is dashed if he also happens to kiss guys instead of girls?
Thanks for reading it, I was worried that I was just babbling on, haha.
Games are no longer 'just games'. Games have the ability to take us through emotional journeys, and to make statements to us about human (or non-human!) experiences, and to make us think. Even if you play games for literally 'just fun', and get nothing else out of them, there are a lot of people for whom the character's experiences resonate.
But why do you think you would have less in common? Unless being LGBT is the focus of the story why would have you less in common with them than the master chief...
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Okay, yeah.
Reverse homophobia is not a thing.
First of all, the term you're looking for is Heterophobia. Which, by the way, is not real either. Why? Because you will never see a person get beat up and possibly murdered for being Straight. You will never see a person denied vital services for being Straight. You will never see Straight people fighting for Straigh rights. You will never see a person denied a job or an opportunity for being Straight.You will never see something like the Westboro Baptist Church for Straight people.
Never.
GustyGardens
Banned
I'm pretty sure that one of my incarnations of Shepard was gay. Does Mass Effect not count as an AAA game anymore? And couldn't you make similar choices in Dragon Age?
Why is talking about gay videogame characters not talking about games? There are tens of dozens of other threads about console wars and resolutions on this board too, maybe you will be more comfortable in there.
When a Story is interesting or if I'm find a gameplay mechanic interesting those things will overcome anything to the point that I don't mind who I'm playing, what are their sexual orientations, religion, ethnicity, gender, etc. I can't see myself skipping a Video-game I would be interested only because there's a gay character or a character with a different religion, gender and so on. I'm all for diversity and no such thing would make me skip a game. I respect everyone no matter what choices they had in life and I wish we could all to the same, lot's of wars would have been avoided.
However, I feel that a "gay character" is as rare as respecting everyone no matter what they are. There is a lot of hate and racism towards others these days. I'm not sure if I made myself clear (sorry if I didn't) what I'm trying to say is that, I wish we could all hang out and enjoy the good things in life no matter what others decide to be, believe, love, etc.
However, I feel that a "gay character" is as rare as respecting everyone no matter what they are. There is a lot of hate and racism towards others these days. I'm not sure if I made myself clear (sorry if I didn't) what I'm trying to say is that, I wish we could all hang out and enjoy the good things in life no matter what others decide to be, believe, love, etc.
I'm new be nice
Member
I can't help but roll my eyes when I see my fellow gays constantly say this in this exact order. A lot of things define us, race, wealth, geography, I don't see why being gay shouldn't either. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging our differences.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I wish we could go back to the days when the main character could be something like an egg.
No politics, no agendas, no social commentary. Just innocent characters who collect fruit or coins.
Back then we would argue about who could win in a fight, or who could run faster. Now we argue their gender and equality....
No politics, no agendas, no social commentary. Just innocent characters who collect fruit or coins.
Back then we would argue about who could win in a fight, or who could run faster. Now we argue their gender and equality....
And that's why everyone loses. We're all equal, but mere fact of not bringing someone into the conversation can be construed as discrediting their very being.
Professor Beef
Banned
Honestly this + 'are you into guys, girls, or both' at the beginning would be cool.
Not for every game, but Bioware stuff where they're pushing to include non-straight dudes, then yeah.
It matters until there is equal representation of all minorities in video games. Of course it would mean little to Kirby, Sonic or Mario. For characters in 2014, some dimensionality is always a plus. Having characters that are diverse and minorities are good, they spread acceptance and reduce bigotry. How is this a crazy idea? Seeing more women lead in AAA games is awesome, having Deslin be an Akomish is great. Its not about checking some box or saying "LOOK we have a gay character, look how trendy we are" It should be normal to have some bredth in video games. Having a diverse cast of sexuality and ethnicity would be be normal. The entire entertainment industry is white-washed. And people need to know that its not okay.
Everyone is too complacent in the status quo because of how damn safe it is.
Totally. There is nothing political about Shepard boning Steve. Just Love <3
How can you still play this whole "Why does it matter" card after being discussed in recent multiple threads regarding ethnicity, gender and sexuality?
How would you feel if you were gay, black, poor-as-fuck, ugly-as-fuck, and disabled and in every game you play everybody was straight, white, Bill Gates, superhot, and healthy? Hyperbole much? Absolutely but if you consider every possibility of how you would feel then you will understand that this train-wreck-of-why-is-it important is naive.
Games are reflections or should I say representations of cultures and societies.
Let me break it down to you with another example,
And the newest Tomb Raider has surpassed 6m sales. And again why does it matter?
It matters because it breaks the industry's myth(s) that
A female lead character will not sale.
A female lead character will not be profitable.
A female lead character has not a universal appeal.
There is no pragmatic market for a lead female character.
and that promotes and encourages female writers/developers/artists/designers and female gamers that the industry is open to them and there is a place for them and they can be represented rightfully and not stereotypically. Let alone educate people by helping to break down stereotypes as well as a shit-ton of other reasons.
Point is there is no reason to limit creativity and variety of every writer/artist out there because of the myth that it will not sell well based on gender, ethnicity and in this matter sexuality. Gaming is universally appealing, more than ever, so there is no excuse to pull out your-kind-will-not-sale bull.
I thought it was awesome as its own idea. But I wasn't a fan of how the overall premise was set up from a gameplay perspective (and I guess sort of from a narrative perspective as well) and the execution of the puzzles. I figured out the plot very quickly, and just found the rest to be boring. The first 20 min rope you in, thinking there is something much bigger at play. When the story quickly winds down to something less dramatic, it's kind of a bummer. That said, I agree the way the character is written (and how the story is presented), is one of the best I've seen in a game. And THAT was the point being made here.
I just wish we could have more diverse characters written like this, but where the game comes together a little better.
Exactly, I was saying the same. And yea you could do it as well in the Dragon Age games. Their way is the best, although their dialogue definitely needs an upgrade!
ncxcarnage
Banned
Since when has sexual preference become an important thing to highlight in any game?
Perfect Cha0s
Member
It's a bit problematic that you seem to be implying that a character being gay means there is a political agenda.
We are all human, but we are NOT equal. Not as equal as we should be, anyways.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Okay? You can talk about games literally anywhere else in this board, I don't see why we can't have one thread discussing issues that exist in this industry.
Devolution
Member
This disingenuous crap. There's plenty of outward displays of romance or sex in games.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
How is someone being gay pushing an agenda?
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm still mad there's guys out there with a bigger weiner than me.
Because the industry needs to grow up to have characters actually have some damn character.
Easy, love stories sell so the sexual orientation in stories do come up a lot. Why do you think most movies end up having a love interest of some sort? It's rare to get a blockbuster that doesn't have some sort of love interest and a lot of times have that be part of the main story (the two characters realizing it).
Hell, I'm just starting Uncharted (yes, I know, really late to the party) and already they have one character teasing the other about being interested in the female reporter and making hints about that.
I might slam Bioware's awful relationship writing but I think making the choices yourself in game instead of just a choice at the beginning is more interesting. You can't choose who hits on you and who is interested in what in real life (I know, I know, we're talking about a fantasy experience here but it's trying to portray something real, so stick with me here) so it's fun to explore the situation in a game.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Anytime you have a heterosexual romance...
Yeah... but...
Reality is that most people are straight. That is, after all, how the species survives. And as long as the vast majority of people are not LBGT, the vast majority of the market will also not be LBGT. And so it follows that big game companies, who spend massive amounts of money to make games, expect big returns, and will simply market to the biggest market.
LGBT recognition in games will happen more and more as society evolves to be more accepting and less fearful. But even then, reality is reality, and most people simply are not gay, and the larger marketplace will always tend to be straight-oriented. This does not necessarily equate to conscious exclusion or bias.
Also, videogames should be about fun, not pushing social agendas IMO.
Paracelsus
Member
If it was not going to happen without you complaining first, if that is not what the original writer had in mind, then it's pushing an agenda. Unless we talk about character creation and stuff like that, then it's alright to expand the options accordingly.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Don't know, is this riding off the waves of the Nintendo thing?
lets just say you didn't save DAVE from donkey kong .. and TED was not in another castle.
... what being gay has to do with the main character anyway?
and as far as i know, did you played okami?
ok now heres a HUGE BOMB.
did you knew amaterasu is bissexual with inclination towards women with big breasts? and that that " wolf " is a woman? and it is cannon in Shintoism?
beat it, we already have leading characters that are gay, and that already have show their sexual preference.
people just have a bad image of a gay person on their heads. and its even worse to male homosexuals.
being homosexual says nothing about a person. it just says that the person like the same sex as theirs. you know? its not because the character is homo we will have to see homosexual stuff on our games.
and as far as i know, did you played okami?
ok now heres a HUGE BOMB.
did you knew amaterasu is bissexual with inclination towards women with big breasts? and that that " wolf " is a woman? and it is cannon in Shintoism?
beat it, we already have leading characters that are gay, and that already have show their sexual preference.
people just have a bad image of a gay person on their heads. and its even worse to male homosexuals.
being homosexual says nothing about a person. it just says that the person like the same sex as theirs. you know? its not because the character is homo we will have to see homosexual stuff on our games.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
People complain about everything though.
But let's put it in perspective for a second. What if the original script for say Uncharted and Nathan was gay and had a father complex with Sully. WOAH that wont sell CHANGE IT CHANGE IT. Ok :l Script gets changed and now we have current version.
So why would this example be ok? But the other not?
They are both not ok actually
We're not asking that every single AAA title feature a queer character. We're literally asking for just a few games. We're not trying to kick all the straight people out of a party (most of us anyways), we're just trying to get our foot in the door.
semantics and hair splitting. great.
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