I think its more down to Nintendo not cultivating there audience with there own games which are of similar genre to what third parties produce.
Ubisoft: "We won't be showing off any Nintendo games at E3 this year"
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I think its more down to Nintendo not cultivating there audience with there own games which are of similar genre to what third parties produce.
velvet_nitemare
Member
OP or a mod needs to edit this in. Would save a lot of confusion and repetitive questions.
It is a loss even if you don't play Ubisoft games. Stuff like this definitely sends out a certain kind of message, one that is very bad for Nintendo.
But thats you, how many Wii U onwers actually own other consoles? Besides, there's a lot of people like me that use their consoles as primary gaming device, so games being multiplat is irrelevant.
That's attitude is exactly what's hurting Nintendo.
It's like if there was some kind of conspiracy against Nintendo where all the big 3rd party devs/publishers have to bash Nintendo in some way. Sad because AC IV was excellent on Wii U, same as Zombi U, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell Blacklist, etc. Sigh... Looks like the last game we're gonna get from Ubi on Wii U is Watch_Dogs and THAT if it doesn't get quietly cancelled during some casual interview with a Ubi developer or something.
Well, if this happens, no more support from me to Ubisoft anymore.
Well, if this happens, no more support from me to Ubisoft anymore.
Ubisoft was pretty much all Nintendo had left when it comes to Wii U third-parties. It was kinda obvious they were backing off the system once Rayman got delayed, but I at least expected some casual stuff from them.
Oh how the mighty have fallen. I'm extremely curious what Nintendo's next main console will look and function like, the Wii brand is dead and buried.
Oh how the mighty have fallen. I'm extremely curious what Nintendo's next main console will look and function like, the Wii brand is dead and buried.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Well,
Wii U:
"I'm not dead! I'm NOT DEAD!"
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Not for a long time.
Third party games don't sell on Wii U, therefore no third parties want to make games for it.
There's no conspiracy.
Barry Burton
Member
Follow the industry. This is what Nintendo is as a company -- what you see is what you get. This should not come as any surprise to anyone who has followed Nintendo for any period of time. First party software sales is where their bread is buttered, that's just what their business model is and has been. If providing their install base with competent multi-platform software was a priority, they wouldn't be getting "abandoned" all the time. It's just not a focus of their business model.
That assumes that they believe this is a problem that needs solving. Nintendo has had sub-par to bad third party support going back almost 20 years now. Admittedly this is probably the worst it's been, but I have my doubts that it changes Nintendo's belief that they can do this themselves, that they don't need third parties to be successful. They'll keep looking for the next big hit, the next Wii Sports or Brain Age.
The third party problem should have and would have been addressed years ago if Nintendo was concerned about their install base being starved for multi-platform games. It's a vocal, but a very small minority that buys exclusively Nintendo and also has high demand for multi-platform games, and it is an audience that largely directs their frustration towards the third parties and not the platform holder. As a result, I don't expect anything to change on this front.
spyroflame0487
Member
Mmm see I kind of question this. I don't know if it's all Nintendo's fault but I have to kind of doubt it. With the console not selling and catching on, the third parties don't want to waste their time with it. And some of the games they released were half-assed ports too so they in turn didn't sell.
It's still a perfect storm. I actually think that all of it leads back to the delays with Rayman and some of the other games that were going to be released. It'd be amazing to get some viewpoint from behind the scenes as to exactly why some of those early third party partnerships fell through.
Let me rephrase. IMO If you buy Nintendo, MS or Sony for AC you are doing it wrong.
I agree 100%, but the thing is that some of us don't care about EA or Activision.
The only Ubi game i bought this gen was ZombiU and it was glorious and the only Ubi game i look forward to is The Division, and even though i have a PS4 i'm probably getting it on PC.
Some of us never cared about Warner before Rocksteady.
You see how it is? It's opinions vs opinions. I believe that Nintendo games are the best crafted games in existence and i don't care about the dumped down experiences the AAA publishers offer, others may believe i'm crazy for saying so, but it always goes down to opinions.
I bought a WiiU only for the exclusives and i know a lot of people who did just that.
In my opinion yes. I wouldn't play games with minimal gameplay anyway that highly rely on the visual and performance factor on a less powerful machine. But as i said before, if you enjoy it, who am i to say don't do it?
Pretty much this.
I believe most WiiU owners are like this honestly.
And Nintendo is getting hurt because it's IP's are niche and appeal to a minimal fanbase atm, not because i don't buy games i don't like on my console.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Well, we knew they were probably going to ditch Wii U after they said they were watching last holiday's sales to determine future support. I'm guessing WB has ditched them as well, so it's almost all up to Nintendo now to provide games.
Oh, okay. That should keep a steady stream of games coming in. It's not like in previous gens (before indies) where losing 3rd party meant you had nothing but 1st party to sustain you.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Christ, they were asked a question by a Nintendo focused website and a rep answered. This is not "Bashing" Nintendo or some conspiracy, take off the fanboy goggles.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Child of light was.. ok.
Its not a loss though. What do people expect me to buy 4 versions of a game? Umm how about... NO.
I see what you did there.
Shame.
Another thing that keeps amazing me is the amount of "if you got a Nintendo system for third party games, that's pretty silly" posts. Unless you're willing to fork over enough cash for two systems, I would like if more third parties released their games on Nintendo systems. I prefer Nintendo systems myself over the other two, but hey apparently others say it's foolish to want more choice. Sigh. So many weird stances on Nintendo consoles these days.
I have to admit though, the last couple of years third party releases become increasingly uninteresting to me on the big systems. Most fun I had with third party games for the last couple of years were ZombiU and Tekken Tag Tournament 2.
Another thing that keeps amazing me is the amount of "if you got a Nintendo system for third party games, that's pretty silly" posts. Unless you're willing to fork over enough cash for two systems, I would like if more third parties released their games on Nintendo systems. I prefer Nintendo systems myself over the other two, but hey apparently others say it's foolish to want more choice. Sigh. So many weird stances on Nintendo consoles these days.
I have to admit though, the last couple of years third party releases become increasingly uninteresting to me on the big systems. Most fun I had with third party games for the last couple of years were ZombiU and Tekken Tag Tournament 2.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Indies are limited in the type of games and genres they make mainkly due to financial constraints. There's a reason why a sizeable amount of indie games are 2D with platformer elements. Indies are great for experimental gameplay and interesting artstyles.
Loving Transistor so far, nothing against indies.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What Wii U games did they show last year?
Well to be fair it isn't like Ubisoft actually put any effort in supporting the Wii U or pleasing their Nintendo fan base.
Ubisoft doesn't own the No More Heroes series nor do they own the publishing right to it in the west.
There's no point in giving Ubisoft any shit, they produced some very good games for Wii U and they didn't sell enough. Besides the Rayman Legends delay it was fair play on their side.
No point in going to Wii U DOOOOMED because of THIS story. That's pretty much trolling as Wii U is doomed since January 2013.
That's that and we go on like this.
No point in going to Wii U DOOOOMED because of THIS story. That's pretty much trolling as Wii U is doomed since January 2013.
That's that and we go on like this.
I think Nintendo is fostering this kind of attitude......
Just Dance, Rayman Legends, Watch_Dogs, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Assassin's Creed IV.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
what does CoL being on the Vita have to do with Wii U?
I've been playing Child of Light on Wii U for weeks and it's absolutely wonderful.
velvet_nitemare
Member
That's good for you, but for anyone that likes the games that 3rd party devs make it is silly to just own a Nintendo console. It's always been Nintendo + PS/MS/PC to get full access to those games. This has been true since the N64.
Petrae
Member
Many Nintendo fans seem to believe that a Nintendo platform needs nothing but Nintendo games on it to be successful. Their development teams make the best games, and the "other" games really don't matter. That's why today's Nintendo platforms are perfect for them.
For many who want a little more balance, though, WiiU isn't a valid option. It relegates the platform to, at best, a secondary purchase. Sure, they want to play the latest Zelda or Mario, but they also want to play the latest Madden, the latest Assassin's Creed, the latest Battlefield, etc... and WiiU doesn't and won't have these games. So they buy PS4 or XBO instead, or perhaps wait and hang on to their X360 or PS3.
It's great that hardcore Nintendo Nation is satisfied by first-party titles, but it severely limits the sales potential of Nintendo's current-- and maybe future-- platforms as long as third-party publishers decide that it's not worth the risk to bring their franchises to Nintendo. It's only going to be harder in Gen9 when third-parties will be disinterested from the get-go and require some sort of convincing from Nintendo to support whatever the new platform may be.
Still sucks though.
fabricated backlash
Member
I find it hard to take the feigned surprise at this statement seriously.
Anyone who still thought that Ubisoft would stick around despite it's games selling like dogshit on the WiiU was either delusional or a concern troll.
The WiiU is toxic for 3rd parties (maybe better for indies) but no one 3rd party should try to go near the WiiU with their projects going forward. It's a waste of time.
And honestly, 3rd parties don't need Nintendo or it's constantly shrinking market. They've made their bet and it's been paying off for them (more or less).
Nintendo is a non factor for pretty much every company except Nintendo themselves at this point. They might not even be in the same business as far as relevancy is concerned.
Anyone who still thought that Ubisoft would stick around despite it's games selling like dogshit on the WiiU was either delusional or a concern troll.
The WiiU is toxic for 3rd parties (maybe better for indies) but no one 3rd party should try to go near the WiiU with their projects going forward. It's a waste of time.
And honestly, 3rd parties don't need Nintendo or it's constantly shrinking market. They've made their bet and it's been paying off for them (more or less).
Nintendo is a non factor for pretty much every company except Nintendo themselves at this point. They might not even be in the same business as far as relevancy is concerned.
silver.tongue
Member
Guys, but that's not the point. It's not about if you like or not their games.
It's about keeping bridges to third parties and not burning the few that remain.
The WiiU needs to be in the conversation. It doesn't matter if it's a good game or not, but it needs games. It needs to be mentioned in a good aspect as a plataform that can play a lot of games... even the same games as PS4 and Xbone.
Whenever somebody creates a thread about a game going everywhere but the wiiu, this hurts the console a lot more than you guys imagine.
Worst part is that if this trend continues, forget about a radical change for nintendo´s next console. Third party sofware will be alienated to a point that the same thing will happen to the next nintendo console.
Nintendo need to build new "bridges". No matter what it takes.
Edit: To clear my point... Nintendo needs to deal with third party now considering how they want their relationship to be nextgen. It's that simple.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
I can understand no Wii U games, but no 3DS games as well makes me wonder if this is a bad blood move between both companies.
It's very likely Nintendo isn't willing to work/be supported by big AAA western third-parties, given how they designed Wii U, their approach toward them and their development philosophies. Third-parties in general, in response, aren't supporting it because of this business mentality.
This is very bad, very bad, indeed.
Yep. This is Nintendo's loyal fanbase biggest issue. They often are multisystem owner and play anything else on non-Nintendo platforms.
They bring excuses like shitty ports not up to other systems, but when they get solid versions, they still don't give a shit.
It's very likely Nintendo isn't willing to work/be supported by big AAA western third-parties, given how they designed Wii U, their approach toward them and their development philosophies. Third-parties in general, in response, aren't supporting it because of this business mentality.
This is very bad, very bad, indeed.
Yep. This is Nintendo's loyal fanbase biggest issue. They often are multisystem owner and play anything else on non-Nintendo platforms.
They bring excuses like shitty ports not up to other systems, but when they get solid versions, they still don't give a shit.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
3DS fool
timetokill
Banned
Sounds like there won't be a Rayman game this year. That, or Ubisoft is being stupid.
fabricated backlash
Member
Which all western 3rd parties support... oh wait.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yep, when Ubi is gone, you are essentially fucked at that point.
We have to remember that Wii U is only 1 and half years old. In that time Ubisoft has brough games like Rayman Legends, two Assassin's Creed games, Child of Light and the Wii U exclusive ZombiU to the console. Watch_dogs is probably Ubisoft's biggest new IP this generation and it's also coming to Wii U.
So I have to disagree with you there. There are some quality games among them. Ubisoft was betting early on Wii and 3DS too. I wonder if they are going to do it with the future platforms too. It seems unlikely at the moment.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
With such poor performance you really have to question if even fewer third parties will show up for Nintendo's next system launch? Remember when EA took a "wait and see" with Dreamcast? That's exactly what we're going to be seeing from third parties whenever Nintendo gets around to announcing their next console, and once again it will be on the ropes right out of the gate.
Serious Question:
In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?
Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?
In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?
Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?
Uncle Rupee
Banned
I thought you said all third parties not just western ones... but please, continue to back pedal
It's the former, Ubi is not THAT stupid to skip WiiU on a Rayman title mang.