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I see that a lot of people choose to go Movie mode and Warm 2 tone settings for their TVs.

It kind of makes the screen a bit yellow and I guess it's used to match skin tone. Do games use the same color metrics as movies and shows do? And if they do, is it worth trying to recalibrate those settings?
 
geordiemp said:
None of those sets is great for gaming, Input lag is important for all fast paced games - COD / fighting games / Ninja Gaiden etc etc

The Panasonic is good, and probably best set for TV, but for gaming its just average to good.

Input lag (high-speed camera) 23ms compared to lag-free CRT
Leo Bodnar lag tester 41.5 ms

Good sony sets have 6-8 ms lag to CRT, gaming monitors 2 ms

Film buff = get a plasma, gaming TV = sony..
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Yeah, I think the next TV I buy is going to have to be a Sony, wish they would release a pure "Gaming" TV, not gaming as an afterthought. Ground up. Start with the gaming needs then add the fancy stuff afterwards for movie mode, perhaps compete with Gaming monitors with size.

I thought the fastest Sony TV's were 16ms minimum? My Tv is supposed to be 16ms in game mode, but still notice a tiny bit of LED hold and release, especially on 30fps games.
 
Otakumegane said:
I see that a lot of people choose to go Movie mode and Warm 2 tone settings for their TVs.

It kind of makes the screen a bit yellow and I guess it's used to match skin tone. Do games use the same color metrics as movies and shows do? And if they do, is it worth trying to recalibrate those settings?
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I use movie mode because it's the only mode without the god awful backlight dimming on my screen. I don't use warm2 tho. I hate how it looks.

I use normal, adjust the white balance and then adjust the rest. Don't use crap like Dynamic Contrast or stuff like that.
 
Otakumegane said:
I see that a lot of people choose to go Movie mode and Warm 2 tone settings for their TVs.

It kind of makes the screen a bit yellow and I guess it's used to match skin tone. Do games use the same color metrics as movies and shows do? And if they do, is it worth trying to recalibrate those settings?
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Games don't really use a standard so you cannot calibrate for those and probably should just keep the same settings as for movies.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
My housemate is looking for a new TV at least 50 inches.

Budget is between 500 and ~700.


Vizio 50" E500D-A0 Flat Panel 3D LED 1080p $695.99
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The 2014 Vizio's are a good jump up in quality from last years models if you don't care about 3D.

50" E-series $568

The E-series is the low end and the M-series is their midrange (and it goes to 4K and unreleased after that). The M-series has more dimming zones and should theoretically give a slightly better picture. They launched this week and the 50" should be out soon (MSRP $730). The 2013 Vizio's had an 'A' after the dash and all the 2014 models have a 'B'. There are reviews for both the E and M on Cnet.

I was going to buy a Sony W900A last year and given how shitty Sony's TVs seem to be this year I really wish I would have. I will probably get a 60" M-series at a lower price and with 5" on it instead.
 
In 5 weeks time my GF and I are moving in together, into a new house! She's agreed to go halves on a new TV, so I've picked out the Sony KDL50W656. I'm upgrading my Samsung 32" TV from 2005... so it's a big step up.

Does anyone have experience with gaming on this TV? It seems good value for £650.
I have a friend with a laugh HDTV that made Rhythm Tengoku and Um Jammer Lammy quite unbearable!

I'm a bit worried how scart and s-video sources will look, as my Sammy always did a heroic job of rendering my Sega Saturn and PS2, both of which still get good use. I can't afford an XRGB, so I'll have to see how it goes.
 
astonish said:
I was going to buy a Sony W900A last year and given how shitty Sony's TVs seem to be this year I really wish I would have. I will probably get a 60" M-series at a lower price and with 5" on it instead.
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Whoever told you Sony's TVs are shitty this year has no idea what they're talking about. I've been in search of a gaming tv for years now, and have bought numerous sets over the years, only to return them out of frustration again and again. I even bought Sony's 802a model last year, and it had atrocious dirty screen effect. Tried a second set, just to make sure it wasn't an anomaly, it was also horrible. I suspect the 900a was the same, as Sony's manufacturing process is nearly the same on all their TVs.

So recently read a review of Sony's 2014 models, and it mentioned the complete lack of a dirty screen effect. I was shocked, and skeptical, but I was intrigued enough to give it a shot. So I took delivery of a Sony KDL50W800B on Friday and I have FINALLY found my gaming TV I've been looking for.

NO dirty screen effect, very mild banding, very low input lag, no smearing of blacks, good black level, good color accuracy following some settings from a review calibration for game mode. I even think the styling is among the best I've seen on any recent TV.

If you're looking for a gaming TV folks, I give Sony's 600b and 800b models my highest endorsement, and I consider myself as picky as they come.

Let me outline the only weaknesses of this tv, and every single tv on the market has some. These 2014 Sony's have the least I've come across. The viewing angles are ok, but color does get less saturated at angles. Normal viewers wouldn't even notice, but it's there. When you turn the tv on for the first 20-30 seconds you can't change the input. A lot of people won't be that bothered by this, but it's worth mentioning.

Feel free to ask questions if you have any.
 
I found a P60ST50 on Craigslist for 500$

The problem is...there's a crack

The seller sent me this

"Hi the crack cannot be captured n the camera because it is from the inside but it is on the left bottom corner and it is about 3 inches. The model number is tc p60st50"


Would you guys bite?
 
Just came across this page, its likely be used before, has some good info at a glance.
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/

Thought the 900A was supposed to be the best, the 802 seems to pip it, or have alot choosen the 900A for a picture quality trade off?

Television Type Input Lag (ms)
Sony KDL-55W802A LED LCD 16.9
Sony KDL-55W900A LED LCD 19.7
Vizio E50i-A1 LED LCD 32.2
Toshiba 50L2300U LED LCD 33.4
BenQ W1070 DLP projector 33.7
Panasonic TC-P50S60 plasma 34.1
Panasonic TC-L55DT60 LED LCD 34.4
Seiki SE50UY04 LED LCD 38.3
Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 plasma 46.2
Panasonic TC-P60VT60 plasma 47.9
Mitsubishi HC7900DW DLP projector 48.5
Samsung UN55F8000 LED LCD 50.9
Samsung PN60F8500 plasma 53.1
Sharp LC-60LE650 LED LCD 58.0
Panasonic TC-P55ST60 plasma 73.6
 
KDL-65W850A
Is this like the new version of the w900a?


Also which one would be better for gaming/tv shows.
w850a or w850b??

Idc about 3d or 4k.
 
How bad is a tv with an input lag of around 35? The TV I have now is moving on 8ish years (52XBR4), and I bought it at a time where I knew little to nothing of input lag or any of the other things we care about. I simply bought it since I like Sony's TVs and it was said to be a very nice tv eith the whole new "120hz!" (lol). After 8ish years I'm finally upgrading (XBR4 will now be our bedroom tv) to a 4K (which will be delivered in a couple days). This 4K is said to be an awesome picture quality-wise but has a input lag of around 35ish depending on modes and such. just wondering if that's a high number or just plain bad.

I know it all depends on how sensitive one is to this kind of stuff. I was also thinking of the new 65W950b if the 4k doesn't work out.. which has a input lag of 17ms. but the lure of 4k drew me in. (plus I got a deal where it was only $400 more than then non-4k)
 
kaiiri said:
How bad is a tv with an input lag of around 35? The TV I have now is moving on 8ish years (52XBR4), and I bought it at a time where I knew little to nothing of input lag or any of the other things we care about. I simply bought it since I like Sony's TVs and it was said to be a very nice tv eith the whole new "120hz!" (lol). After 8ish years I'm finally upgrading (XBR4 will now be our bedroom tv) to a 4K (which will be delivered in a couple days). This 4K is said to be an awesome picture quality-wise but has a input lag of around 35ish depending on modes and such. just wondering if that's a high number or just plain bad.

I know it all depends on how sensitive one is to this kind of stuff. I was also thinking of the new 65W950b if the 4k doesn't work out.. which has a input lag of 17ms. but the lure of 4k drew me in. (plus I got a deal where it was only $400 more than then non-4k)
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4K is a complete waste of money for games, and tv, and will be for quite some time. I wouldn't recommend buying one anytime soon, as actual 4K content is extremely limited. I would recommend buying the best 1080p tv you can.
 
Vizzeh said:
Just came across this page, its likely be used before, has some good info at a glance.
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/

Thought the 900A was supposed to be the best, the 802 seems to pip it, or have alot choosen the 900A for a picture quality trade off?

Television Type Input Lag (ms)
Sony KDL-55W802A LED LCD 16.9
Sony KDL-55W900A LED LCD 19.7
Vizio E50i-A1 LED LCD 32.2
Toshiba 50L2300U LED LCD 33.4
BenQ W1070 DLP projector 33.7
Panasonic TC-P50S60 plasma 34.1
Panasonic TC-L55DT60 LED LCD 34.4
Seiki SE50UY04 LED LCD 38.3
Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 plasma 46.2
Panasonic TC-P60VT60 plasma 47.9
Mitsubishi HC7900DW DLP projector 48.5
Samsung UN55F8000 LED LCD 50.9
Samsung PN60F8500 plasma 53.1
Sharp LC-60LE650 LED LCD 58.0
Panasonic TC-P55ST60 plasma 73.6
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The 900 SMOKES the 802 in PQ yeah. No sane person would trade the PQ improvements for 3 less ms of lag I would hope
 
DigiMish said:
Too bad you can't find the 900a anywhere anymore. I wonder what's the next best option now.
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The only TV comparable in PQ to the 900 right now I would think the X900B 4K TV, but that's around $4000 for the 55" as it just came out. If you're looking at premium quality PQ at this point, you need to be looking at 4K tvs really. The 900A last year was imo the last grreat premium 1080p set we will see for a bit, unless you want to waste money on a curved 8000 series Samsung.
 
Otakumegane said:
I see that a lot of people choose to go Movie mode and Warm 2 tone settings for their TVs.

It kind of makes the screen a bit yellow and I guess it's used to match skin tone. Do games use the same color metrics as movies and shows do? And if they do, is it worth trying to recalibrate those settings?
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There's no calibration standard for games.

Most people use Movie/Cinema mode and Warm2 simply because once you've gotten used to it's slightly warmer tone (6500K for anyone who cares), it just feels more natural than the common metallic blue that is often used to make TVs appear to "pop" more even though it's not accurate to film/TV source material.

It takes getting used to initially if you're used to everything being the wrong color, but once you've watched a TV with the properly calibrated colors you'll grow to hate watching TVs with the colors set to Normal or Cool.
 
Dead said:
The only TV comparable in PQ to the 900 right now I would think the X900B 4K TV, but that's around $4000 for the 55" as it just came out. If you're looking at premium quality PQ at this point, you need to be looking at 4K tvs really. The 900A last year was imo the last grreat premium 1080p set we will see for a bit, unless you want to waste money on a curved 8000 series Samsung.
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which is exactly why I went the 4k route. not cause of the 4k per say, but because regardless of it it's the better panel and overall PQ. but worse case scenario I got 45 days to exchange it for the 2014 Sony 65W950B.
 
BruiserBear said:
Whoever told you Sony's TVs are shitty this year has no idea what they're talking about.
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I didn't mean to shit on Sony's TVs from this year. They seemed to really jumble their features up this year, and the W950B seems to have been a swing and a miss in many respects. I really had my eye on the W900A and figured I'd wait until this year to see if the 4K price dropped or there was something slightly better than the 900. I don't feel there is.

The 800/850 series seems to have been a pretty good, but I'm on the fence about the wedge styling, and for a good $600 less I can get a vizio M of the same size with arguably better picture quality and full array dimming. Maybe a bit more lag, but nothing I'll likely notice.
 
Vizzeh said:
Yeah, I think the next TV I buy is going to have to be a Sony, wish they would release a pure "Gaming" TV, not gaming as an afterthought. Ground up. Start with the gaming needs then add the fancy stuff afterwards for movie mode, perhaps compete with Gaming monitors with size.
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May I ask what features you would want for a TV just built for gaming?
I'm asking because in one of my courses this semester we have to develop a brand and product line-up for it, and I was thinking about a brand specialising on consumer electronics just for gamers, TVs, monitors, headsets, notebooks, pre-built PCs pretty much everything you might want as a gamer.
Would be interesting to know what kind of features are really necessary or desired for a "Gaming" TV.
 
Vizzeh said:
Just came across this page, its likely be used before, has some good info at a glance.
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/

Thought the 900A was supposed to be the best, the 802 seems to pip it, or have alot choosen the 900A for a picture quality trade off?

Television Type Input Lag (ms)
Sony KDL-55W802A LED LCD 16.9
Sony KDL-55W900A LED LCD 19.7
Vizio E50i-A1 LED LCD 32.2
Toshiba 50L2300U LED LCD 33.4
BenQ W1070 DLP projector 33.7
Panasonic TC-P50S60 plasma 34.1
Panasonic TC-L55DT60 LED LCD 34.4
Seiki SE50UY04 LED LCD 38.3
Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 plasma 46.2
Panasonic TC-P60VT60 plasma 47.9
Mitsubishi HC7900DW DLP projector 48.5
Samsung UN55F8000 LED LCD 50.9
Samsung PN60F8500 plasma 53.1
Sharp LC-60LE650 LED LCD 58.0
Panasonic TC-P55ST60 plasma 73.6
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Great list but most of the TVs on this are getting old. New a new list from Cnet!
 
I recently traded my 55vt60 for the same size panel in the w9, i have a 40 w9 in the other room and its fantastic for gaming, the pq cant be beat on the vt60 but i struggled to watch sport or play games on it due to retension. I think its worth the trade off pq wise to have no issue in the back of my mind that im going to get retension.
 
Bought the Sony kdl-50w656 a few weeks ago.

Holy sweet jezus what awesome screen for gaming and movies!

also got my self a new sony sound bar also superb! (sony ht ct370).
 
dock said:
In 5 weeks time my GF and I are moving in together, into a new house! She's agreed to go halves on a new TV, so I've picked out the Sony KDL50W656. I'm upgrading my Samsung 32" TV from 2005... so it's a big step up.

Does anyone have experience with gaming on this TV? It seems good value for £650.
I have a friend with a laugh HDTV that made Rhythm Tengoku and Um Jammer Lammy quite unbearable!

I'm a bit worried how scart and s-video sources will look, as my Sammy always did a heroic job of rendering my Sega Saturn and PS2, both of which still get good use. I can't afford an XRGB, so I'll have to see how it goes.
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It was very highly regarded as probably the best 'bang for buck' set last year. I have the 50W685 which is similar but has passive 3D. Like it a lot. super thin bezel makes it 'all picture' and it has great black levels, low input lag.

Oh and it is DIAL compliant, so if you're browsing youtube or netflix on your phone/tablet, you can throw it onto the TV. (also works with DLNA using Sony's 'sideview' app)
 
Majin Boo said:
May I ask what features you would want for a TV just built for gaming?
I'm asking because in one of my courses this semester we have to develop a brand and product line-up for it, and I was thinking about a brand specialising on consumer electronics just for gamers, TVs, monitors, headsets, notebooks, pre-built PCs pretty much everything you might want as a gamer.
Would be interesting to know what kind of features are really necessary or desired for a "Gaming" TV.
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some of the things you already get in Sony's recent TVs:

- good 1:1 pixel matching
- 12 bit colour support (4:4:4)
- deep colour
- low input lag


I'd also add optional video processing to increase motion resolution - I'd be willing to trade a little extra lag for 1080 motion resolution for some games

Also 120Hz native support. You can trick some 3DTVs into displaying 720p/120, but not all of them. They are capable of being driven like that as they accept frame-packed 3D, so effectively 120Hz. Adding that would be a nice option for PC gamers wanting a big screen and fast refresh I think
 
BruiserBear said:
NO dirty screen effect, very mild banding, very low input lag, no smearing of blacks, good black level, good color accuracy following some settings from a review calibration for game mode. I even think the styling is among the best I've seen on any recent TV.
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Can you link the site you used for the calibration? I purchased the same TV about a week and a half ago and absolutely love it. I've messed with the settings to a point where it looks exceptional for my tastes but wouldn't mind seeing what the recommended calibrations look like.
 
Considering a new TV here guys/gals. Any recommendations? I'm not sure what the best option is. I've got a 40 inch Samsung LCD now that's been great, but would like to increase to 55 or 60 inch with 3D.

Haven't seen the curved TVs in person yet, but I'm not sure how those are for gaming. Any good reading material or recommendations? Budget up to or a little bit over 2k USD.
 
ruxtpin said:
Considering a new TV here guys/gals. Any recommendations? I'm not sure what the best option is. I've got a 40 inch Samsung LCD now that's been great, but would like to increase to 55 or 60 inch with 3D.

Haven't seen the curved TVs in person yet, but I'm not sure how those are for gaming. Any good reading material or recommendations? Budget up to or a little bit over 2k USD.
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60-inch Samsung F8500. Amazon has it for around $2300.
 
ruxtpin said:
Should I be concerned about IR on a plasma? Would play a lot of games on it.
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No. Modern day plasmas are nearly impervious. I wouldn't do something stupid like leave a full screen static image up for hours straight, but you shouldn't run into any significant problems.
 
best 55" for around $1k? I had a vizio M551d-A2R picked out and even went to Best Buy with a 10% off coupon but stock is apparently shit despite bestbuy.com saying it's in stock until you try and check out. in stock at my local walmart but I won't be able to use the coupon there. gaming is my main concern and the input lag database has the M551d-A2R listed as "great"
 
SMattera said:
No. Modern day plasmas are nearly impervious. I wouldn't do something stupid like leave a full screen static image up for hours straight, but you shouldn't run into any significant problems.
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Nah, nothing like that - but shooters with status bars in a static location the entire game, etc.
 
ruxtpin said:
Nah, nothing like that - but shooters with status bars in a static location the entire game, etc.
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My current gaming TV is 65-inch 2013 Panasonic. No issues. My last gaming TV was a 2009 Panasonic. Again, no issues. The IR problems were largely fixed about 4 or 5 years ago, but the reputation lingers for some reason.

Best 55-inch TV for around $1000? I'd probably go with a Vizio M-Series. Everyone goes "eww, Vizio" but they make some decent budget TVs.
 
ruxtpin said:
Nah, nothing like that - but shooters with status bars in a static location the entire game, etc.
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There's no issues with Permanent IR, ie Burn-in, but there's very much still Temporary IR. It usually goes away pretty quickly though. You will notice it, but it will go away.
 
Dead said:
The only TV comparable in PQ to the 900 right now I would think the X900B 4K TV, but that's around $4000 for the 55" as it just came out. If you're looking at premium quality PQ at this point, you need to be looking at 4K tvs really. The 900A last year was imo the last grreat premium 1080p set we will see for a bit, unless you want to waste money on a curved 8000 series Samsung.
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Did you forget about OLED
 
realwords said:
Need a 32 inch TV for my dorm room that's less than 200. Leaning towards this Insignia 32 Inch or this refurb. Can't really tell which one to grab. I don't know too much about this, so if there's any other suggestions... feel free to share.
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I've been looking for a 32" myself. A lot of people around here point at monitors at this size, but I'm not sure what the current suggestions in that space are.

I've been looking at the LG 32LN5300. The other models in the LN5300 line (42" and 39") have sub-30ms ratings on displaylag.com.
 
Otakumegane said:
I see that a lot of people choose to go Movie mode and Warm 2 tone settings for their TVs.

It kind of makes the screen a bit yellow and I guess it's used to match skin tone. Do games use the same color metrics as movies and shows do? And if they do, is it worth trying to recalibrate those settings?
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I absolutely never user movie and warm 2. It changes games picture way too much. I use standard and standard and use Disney WoW to calibrate.

Maybe use movie if it purely a DVD player but not for games
 
SMattera said:
My current gaming TV is 65-inch 2013 Panasonic. No issues. My last gaming TV was a 2009 Panasonic. Again, no issues. The IR problems were largely fixed about 4 or 5 years ago, but the reputation lingers for some reason.

Best 55-inch TV for around $1000? I'd probably go with a Vizio M-Series. Everyone goes "eww, Vizio" but they make some decent budget TVs.
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You can get a 55-59 plasma for 1000-1200. Don't do vizio
 
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