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[Garrett Hawke]

So, our Panasonic 50" Plasma has gone kaput. We sent it for repairs and they had it for a month, sent it back and it's still broken. So I guess we're just gunna return it for a refund and find something else.

Anyone have any suggestions? Some kind of plasma would be great, although any TV at 50" that was good would do.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

My current gaming TV is 65-inch 2013 Panasonic. No issues. My last gaming TV was a 2009 Panasonic. Again, no issues. The IR problems were largely fixed about 4 or 5 years ago, but the reputation lingers for some reason.

Best 55-inch TV for around $1000? I'd probably go with a Vizio M-Series. Everyone goes "eww, Vizio" but they make some decent budget TVs.

No, Vizio makes tv's for people that don't know any better.

 

[Cse]

I'm looking to get a new HDTV, preferably in the 42"-47" range.

Is a 120 Hz necessary for gaming?

What sets would be recommended in this range that would be decent for gaming?

 

[BruiserBear]

Should I be concerned about IR on a plasma? Would play a lot of games on it.

Don't ever believe anyone who tells you that burn in isn't possible anymore, or is a thing of the past, etc, etc, etc. I've seen people on this very forum post about playing "too much Madden" and having the scoreboard burned in.

I recall people posting on TV forums in 2003 that burn in was a thing of the past. It wasn't true then, and it's still not true now. Now we're just told it's "image retention", and will go away eventually. Funny thing is no one will define for you exactly when "eventually" is.

A simple google search will net you lots of threads like this one from January.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1511179-panasonic-plasma-burn.html

and this one is from just last year.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...other-plasma-burn-image-retention-thread.html

I absolutely never user movie and warm 2. It changes games picture way too much. I use standard and standard and use Disney WoW to calibrate.

Maybe use movie if it purely a DVD player but not for games

Movie modes and "warm" picture settings are usually the closest to calibration standards, and that is the standard almost any developer will use to make their game.

 

[kakashi08]

I'll ask again lol

the 65w850a, is that closer to the last year w900a. or the w850b.

I'm debating between the w850a and the w850b.

idc about 4k or 3d. Just gaming/tv.

 

[Agent86]

That unfortunatly doesn't mean smaller model will have same input lag

Understood and agreed! That would be why I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I can't seem to find test results for that set anywhere.

 

[kaiiri]

I'll ask again lol

the 65w850a, is that closer to the last year w900a. or the w850b.

I'm debating between the w850a and the w850b.

idc about 4k or 3d. Just gaming/tv.

from my limited knowledge the 2014 sony tvs use a different panel from the 2013. so it wouldn't be quite the same. on the flip side I've read both 850's (2013 & 2014) are good gaming tvs. I was looking at the 65w950b myself. but i decided to give the 4k a shot and just exchange it if I'm not happy.

 

[AlanzTalon]

You can get a 55-59 plasma for 1000-1200. Don't do vizio

No, Vizio makes tv's for people that don't know any better.

The Vizio lineup for this year is getting pretty good marks across the board. Can either of you elaborate on what is wrong with a Vizio M series? For a thousand bucks you seem to get a lot of the boxes checked.

 

[SMattera]

Don't ever believe anyone who tells you that burn in isn't possible anymore, or is a thing of the past, etc, etc, etc. I've seen people on this very forum post about playing "too much Madden" and having the scoreboard burned in.

I recall people posting on TV forums in 2003 that burn in was a thing of the past. It wasn't true then, and it's still not true now. Now we're just told it's "image retention", and will go away eventually. Funny thing is no one will define for you exactly when "eventually" is.

Again, I've never had any burn in or IR issues with my plasmas, and I've used them as computer monitors and watch a lot of CNBC (scrolling ticker bar). Maybe those people just had bad sets.

There are certain instances where LCD is better, but if you really want a big, expensive gaming TV, plasma is the way to go.

The one monitor that has given me IR issues is my Chromebook Pixel. And that's an LCD.

 

[BruiserBear]

Again, I've never had any burn in or IR issues with my plasmas, and I've used them as computer monitors and watch a lot of CNBC (scrolling ticker bar). Maybe those people just had bad sets.

There are certain instances where LCD is better, but if you really want a big, expensive gaming TV, plasma is the way to go.

The one monitor that has given me IR issues is my Chromebook Pixel. And that's an LCD.

I swear it never fails. If you say burn in is still an issue with plasmas, someone will show up and tell you they've had an LCD burn in. lol

 

[SeanTSC]

I swear it never fails. If you say burn in is still an issue with plasmas, someone will show up and tell you they've had an LCD burn in. lol

Yeah, it still "exists", but you have to do some pretty extreme stuff to actually get it to happen now. You should still be a little careful of static HUD images and logos, but you don't have to go to extreme lengths or anything.

White images can be pretty persistent, especially in the early life of the set (my IR time drastically reduced after 2000 hours). Totally transparent stuff is pretty much harmless. Colored HUD pieces, especially darker ones, go away really fast.

Beware of Whites, don't max out your contrast, and game for reasonable hours taking breaks. Turn off HUD pieces if you can, especially if they're unnecessary (hi Wind Waker).

 

[BruiserBear]

So let's contrast two different statements from you in a span of hours.

There's no issues with Permanent IR, ie Burn-in, but there's very much still Temporary IR. It usually goes away pretty quickly though. You will notice it, but it will go away.

You say there are no issues with permanent burn in.

Yeah, it still "exists", but you have to do some pretty extreme stuff to actually get it to happen now. You should still be a little careful of static HUD images and logos, but you don't have to go to extreme lengths or anything.

White images can be pretty persistent, especially in the early life of the set (my IR time drastically reduced after 2000 hours). Totally transparent stuff is pretty much harmless. Colored HUD pieces, especially darker ones, go away really fast.

Beware of Whites, don't max out your contrast, and game for reasonable hours taking breaks. Turn off HUD pieces if you can, especially if they're unnecessary (hi Wind Waker).

But now you're saying people need to "be a little careful", and "white images images can be pretty persistent".


Yeah, this is how plasma conversations usually go. Again, I spent 15 seconds googling the topic yesterday and found multiple recent threads with people talking about long term burn in on their plasmas from just watching a certain channel too much, or playing a certain game too much.

The bottom line is that people have to baby sit their plasmas if they truly want to be sure they won't get burn in. If you're a gamer who likes to play certain games a lot, or watches a lot of ESPN, or any other tv channel with a logo on screen, all of them are threats for burn in, so please stop telling people lies about how modern plasmas can't suffer this problem anymore. I had people tell me that lie in 2003, when I began researching buying a plasma. It wasn't true then, and it's still not true now.

 

[SeanTSC]

Apologies, I should have worded it better the first time. Burn-in is so exceedingly rare that it's not a "real" issue anymore. You have to do something extraordinarily stupid to actually have real Burn-in. The "be a little careful" stuff is in regards to IR. It's not telling people lies. I've had IR that lasted almost *3 weeks* when I first got my Panasonic due to playing Dead Island Riptide for 10 hours straight on it early on, but it did go away - that's not burn in, just IR. Really bad IR, but IR none the less.

Yeah, you do have to "baby sit" Plasmas a bit, but not leaving an ESPN logo on for days at a time is a reasonable amount of babysitting. Hell, I frequently play games until my DualShock 4's batteries run low and that's a good 7-8 hours of stuff and I've had no issues with IR once my TV got a good amount of hours on it. You have to do some really unhealthy things to run a risk of it.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Quoting from other thread I would really appreciate it if anyone could help.

Mods can lock this if inappropriate/not allowed etc but I just feel like I don't know enough about TVs to decide which is better.

Last night our 50" Panasonic Plasma crapped out on us, and we're looking to get a new one today or tomorrow. After seeing the plasma in action, we feel like we wouldn't be able to go back to LED - we had a 42" LED for a while, and we just felt that it paled in comparison to the plasma.

We're on a pretty limited budget, but we def want 50", and it will mostly be used for gaming, so we've narrowed it down to these options:

No. 1: LG 50PB5600 50-inch Widescreen 1080P Full HD Plasma TV with Freeview
+ Full 1080p HD
+ Price
+ Plasma
- Only one HDMI slot - but if we went for this TV we'd get a switcher

No. 2: Panasonic TX-50A400B 50-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD LED TV with Freeview (New for 2014)
+ Price
+ Small bezel
+ 2 HDMI ports
- LED

No. 3: LG 50PN650T 50-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD Plasma TV with Freeview HD/600Hz
+ Full 1080p HD
+ 2 HDMI ports
+ Plasma

If anyone would be able to help, I would really appreciate it thank you!

 

[UpperCaseN]

The Vizio lineup for this year is getting pretty good marks across the board. Can either of you elaborate on what is wrong with a Vizio M series? For a thousand bucks you seem to get a lot of the boxes checked.

I'd like to hear this as well, I've got my eye on an M series

 

[paperheart]

GAF, can you help me? I need help in deciding which TV I should choose.

1) Sony KDL40W600B 40-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED TV

2) Samsung UN40H5500 40-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED TV

3) LG Electronics 42LB6300 42-Inch 1080p 120Hz Smart LED TV

Which one has the best picture quality? I'm thinking the Sony television might, but I've only seen a few good things said about it online. I've had a Samsung 32 inch television in the past and I thought it looked good, and that's the only reason why I'm considering the 40 inch Samsung. I'm only considering the LG television due to it having a Direct LED screen while the Sony and Samsung televisions are Edge-Lit. I just don't know if the LG set has great picture quality or not. I definitely don't want to make the wrong decision.

 

[BruiserBear]

Apologies, I should have worded it better the first time. Burn-in is so exceedingly rare that it's not a "real" issue anymore. You have to do something extraordinarily stupid to actually have real Burn-in. The "be a little careful" stuff is in regards to IR. It's not telling people lies. I've had IR that lasted almost *3 weeks* when I first got my Panasonic due to playing Dead Island Riptide for 10 hours straight on it early on, but it did go away - that's not burn in, just IR. Really bad IR, but IR none the less.

Yeah, you do have to "baby sit" Plasmas a bit, but not leaving an ESPN logo on for days at a time is a reasonable amount of babysitting. Hell, I frequently play games until my DualShock 4's batteries run low and that's a good 7-8 hours of stuff and I've had no issues with IR once my TV got a good amount of hours on it. You have to do some really unhealthy things to run a risk of it.

So you had 3 weeks of image retention from playing 10 hours of the same game. It's very easy for a lot of people to watch the same channel for 10 hours a day, if major sporting events are happening, etc. Same goes for people who simply watch the same channel often, like ESPN, with it's huge white logo. Maybe it's just 3 hours a day, but it happens 5 days a week. These are the problems with burn in.

You have to always be aware of this stuff, and most people just don't want to be bothered thinking about it. They only play Madden for weeks on end, and then they've got a permanent problem, but you want to call that "something extraordinarily stupid", or "exceedingly rare", when it's pretty clear it's not that rare.

It doesn't take long to realize how much nonsense there is in these plasma conversations.

 

[SeanTSC]

So you had 3 weeks of image retention from playing 10 hours of the same game. It's very easy for a lot of people to watch the same channel for 10 hours a day, if major sporting events are happening, etc. Same goes for people who simply watch the same channel often, like ESPN, with it's huge white logo. Maybe it's just 3 hours a day, but it happens 5 days a week. These are the problems with burn in.

You have to always be aware of this stuff, and most people just don't want to be bothered thinking about it. They only play Madden for weeks on end, and then they've got a permanent problem, but you want to call that "something extraordinarily stupid", or "exceedingly rare", when it's pretty clear it's not that rare.

It doesn't take long to realize how much nonsense there is in these plasma conversations.

That was only in the first few hundred hours of owning it. Past about 2K hours IR has gone away very quickly. I just played through Wind Waker HD over the last few days, putting many long periods in, and I did basically everything you could possibly do in the game sans the pictograph shit. I just finished that this morning after about a 4 hour last stretch. Despite all of that playing the game and having some HUD stuff up for huge amounts of time this past week there's no trace of IR what so ever and that's while watching material with really light imagery where it would really show through (One Week Friends).

Yes, if you play Madden for hours on end every single day of the year and keep ESPN up all day long then a Plasma probably isn't for you. But that isn't normal behavior by any means and certainly not for people around here. People who play Madden 24/7 typically aren't the type of people to come here for TV recommendations.

 

[Denton]

I have 55" ST50 Panasonic plasma for about 14 months. I had some image retention when I played State of Decay for hours, the minimap was visible after playing. But it always went away. There is no burn-in or anything like that, and I played and finished over 30 PC games on this TV so far, ranging from Dark Souls 2, Watch Dogs, Bioshock Infinite, Sleeping Dogs, to Mortal Kombat, Rage, Dishonored or DMC and many others.

The TV is perfect for gaming as far as I am concerned. No input lag and no blur, it is like a CRT except better. I use preset "Game" with some modifications, for everything, games, movies and TV Shows alike. Looks the best to my subjective eyes anyway.

 

[The Beard]

Apologies, I should have worded it better the first time. Burn-in is so exceedingly rare that it's not a "real" issue anymore. You have to do something extraordinarily stupid to actually have real Burn-in. The "be a little careful" stuff is in regards to IR. It's not telling people lies. I've had IR that lasted almost *3 weeks* when I first got my Panasonic due to playing Dead Island Riptide for 10 hours straight on it early on, but it did go away - that's not burn in, just IR. Really bad IR, but IR none the less.

Yeah, you do have to "baby sit" Plasmas a bit, but not leaving an ESPN logo on for days at a time is a reasonable amount of babysitting. Hell, I frequently play games until my DualShock 4's batteries run low and that's a good 7-8 hours of stuff and I've had no issues with IR once my TV got a good amount of hours on it. You have to do some really unhealthy things to run a risk of it.

I've had a VT60 for about 6 months now. I was getting no IR until about a month ago. I'm at about 700 hours. Playing MLB The Show for about 10 hours across 3 days, I got IR for about a week from the score box and the 1st and 3rd baselines. BTW I've babied this thing, my contrast is very low, I have pixel orbiter on, I only played full screen content w/out static images for the first 200hrs.

You absolutely have to babysit plasmas. Saying " don't leave ESPN on for days at a time is all the babysitting you have to do" is absolutely poor advice. You can get very persistent IR from half a day of a channel logo. Which is basically a day of watching football, or playing a game with a HUD. There's no way to prevent getting IR unless you turn off every HUD which most games don't even allow, or cutting your gaming session short. There's also no way to know how long the IR will last most of mine lasts 20 seconds or less but that one did last about a week. Mine also seems less vulnerable if I let it warm up for at least 5min when I first turn it on before having any static images up. This is why I ended up getting a Sony W800b a couple weeks ago for my dedicated gaming TV.

The W800b is a solid gaming TV. Daytime performance is awesome, uniformity is good on my 50", the best thing of all is not having to worry if that new game I'm interested in has a lightning white HUD that cannot be turned off, and not having to think twice about playing 4 straight 9 inning games.

For movies : VT60 > W800b. It's not even close

For games : VT60 < W800b. Piece of mind

 

[The Beard]

No, Vizio makes tv's for people that don't know any better.

This is pure wrong. Vizio's have been the highest rated TV's the past couple years by all the major reviewers. Aside from the W900a the Vizio M was rated as the best all around. This year the Vizio E and M are going to be the best 1080p LCD/LED sets available.

 

[Dead]

reviewers should be ashamed about propping up vizio. Their sets are still a pos.

Maybe when their mystical "reference" tv comes out, that'll change, but that thing seems like vaporware atm.

 

[Sindou_Hikaru20]

Quoting from other thread I would really appreciate it if anyone could help.

Why LG PB5600? The LG PB660v/PB6600 isn't quite more expensive, has Smart TV and 3x HDMI, and is a very good tv

 

[Otakumegane]

Uhh..since I didn't actually have any Blu-ray discs to burn I just dled the MP4 of AVSHD to my computer and used tried that to calibrate the TV using HDMI.

Did I mess up? At this rate I may just end up buying the Disney World of Wonder disc.

 

[astonish]

reviewers should be ashamed about propping up vizio. Their sets are still a pos.

I'll back you up that they have made shit TVs in the past, but they really seem to have come out swinging in 2014 and reviews are starting to back that up. Then I see other major brands like LG who are making (IMO) garbage TVs and even Sony starting to disappoint in performance. Despite having some fine sets, Sony also has pretty major issues on some models including the highest end 1080p TV this year. Samsung TVs that interest me seem stuck in some really high price bracket for some reason.

If anything it certainly makes me feel like the value I'm getting from the Samsungs and Sonys isn't there. Are there TVs better than a 2014 Vizio, maybe, but do those differences in quality/components justify what I feel is a pretty hefty price jump, no way.

 

[Jeff Stephen]

Uhh..since I didn't actually have any Blu-ray discs to burn I just dled the MP4 of AVSHD to my computer and used tried that to calibrate the TV using HDMI.

Did I mess up? At this rate I may just end up buying the Disney World of Wonder disc.

If you're just looking to adjust your basic settings and have a display with a built-in blue filter then HD709 is good enough. If you're looking to use a colorimeter then you might want something like Spears & Munsil.
On a side note, WoW is worth it for pixel flipper alone if you're using a plasma display.

 

[Majin Boo]

some of the things you already get in Sony's recent TVs:

- good 1:1 pixel matching
- 12 bit colour support (4:4:4)
- deep colour
- low input lag


I'd also add optional video processing to increase motion resolution - I'd be willing to trade a little extra lag for 1080 motion resolution for some games

Also 120Hz native support. You can trick some 3DTVs into displaying 720p/120, but not all of them. They are capable of being driven like that as they accept frame-packed 3D, so effectively 120Hz. Adding that would be a nice option for PC gamers wanting a big screen and fast refresh I think

Thank you!

 

[ruxtpin]

So comparison thoughts... I think for my purposes, playing lots of games in a room where there is natural light (eventually when the missus and I buy a house, I'll have a dedicated theater/game room - but that's a way off), that LED is the way to go and think I narrowed it down to two...

Samsung 60 inch 4k

Or...

Samsung 60 inch 1080p

The 4k one has some option to install a new OCB box. Not sure what that is as I haven't done too much research on UHD yet. Any thoughts, recommendations? Anyone here have one of these TVs? Thanks!

 

[Jerkapotamus]

I bought a 60" 2014 m series from costco two weeks ago, and I am very happy with it. Good picture quality at a reasonable price. I believe the input lag is 45 ms in gaming mode, which isn't amazing, but fine for me. I remember one of the e series (50 inch I think) has a pretty low input lag if that is a huge concern.

 

[SMattera]

So comparison thoughts... I think for my purposes, playing lots of games in a room where there is natural light (eventually when the missus and I buy a house, I'll have a dedicated theater/game room - but that's a way off), that LED is the way to go and think I narrowed it down to two...

Samsung 60 inch 4k

Or...

Samsung 60 inch 1080p

The 4k one has some option to install a new OCB box. Not sure what that is as I haven't done too much research on UHD yet. Any thoughts, recommendations? Anyone here have one of these TVs? Thanks!

Well, the 4K is more "future proof" but you aren't going to get much use out of it right now. In 2-3 years I think 4K content will somewhat common, at which point you'll appreciate the extra resolution on a 60-inch screen, but you'll have to figure out if that's worth the additional moneys to you.

 

[DownLoad]

So I know pretty much nothing regarding TVs so maybe someone can help me out here. Looking to buy a new TV between 50-60", used mostly for games. Currently looking at:
Sony KDL55W800B
Sony KDL55W950B
Sony KDL60W850B
Panasonic TC-P60S60

Budget is around $2000, but of course less the better assuming no major loss in quality or features.

Also if anyone knows of good places to buy TV's in Canada (specifically Calgary) let me know. Currently mainly just looking at Amazon/Bestbuy/Futureshop/MemExp.

 

[BruiserBear]

So I know pretty much nothing regarding TVs so maybe someone can help me out here. Looking to buy a new TV between 50-60", used mostly for games. Currently looking at:
Sony KDL55W800B
Sony KDL55W950B
Sony KDL60W850B
Panasonic TC-P60S60

Budget is around $2000, but of course less the better assuming no major loss in quality or features.

Also if anyone knows of good places to buy TV's in Canada (specifically Calgary) let me know. Currently mainly just looking at Amazon/Bestbuy/Futureshop/MemExp.

The 800B is the lowest price and does all the things you'd want from a gaming tv.

 

[DownLoad]

The 800B is the lowest price and does all the things you'd want from a gaming tv.

Thanks, I'll probably go with that. I've read some reviews and it seems the differences between all of them aren't very noticeable and wouldn't warrant the extra $400. If anyone has a different opinion though let me know.

 

[TheCochese]

I'd like to hear this as well, I've got my eye on an M series

Same here. Well, I haven't looked at TVs in about five years. My Panny P42X1 is still going strong, but it's moving to the bedroom as I look to move up in size (give that joke your best shot). I'd like to find a new TV in the 55-65 range, 60-65 is my preference. The 60" M certainly meets the budget criteria.

The only thing I've heard explicitly bad is the feet-dragging on Plex (as I'd like to move my Roku 3 as well, but not required). It looks gorgeous, at least off.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Guys, I think I'm bored of TVs. I want an image that fills my visual field from edge to edge.

I think I might get a cheap projector just to mess around with it. The BenQ W1070 is going to be a Newegg Shell Shocker at 6 pm Pacific. Also Amazon has the Optoma HD25e on offer with a $50 gift card.

 

[kaiiri]

So just got my new Sony 65X850A. Upgraded from my old 52XBR4. I'm using my ps4 as my bluray player and the Z-5500 for my surround sound (yes my home theater set up is a work in progress). Everything was fine prior, but with the new set up the lip sync is off a tiny tiny bit. The ps4 is hooked up hdmi to the television and optical to the z-5500 (only option unfortuntely). any tips to fix this lip sync issue?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So just got my new Sony 65X850A. Upgraded from my old 52XBR4. I'm using my ps4 as my bluray player and the Z-5500 for my surround sound (yes my home theater set up is a work in progress). Everything was fine prior, but with the new set up the lip sync is off a tiny tiny bit. The ps4 is hooked up hdmi to the television and optical to the z-5500 (only option unfortuntely). any tips to fix this lip sync issue?

Connect the optical or coaxial output from the TV to the speakers instead of direct from the PS4.

Alternatively turn on Game Mode on the TV.

 

[kaiiri]

Connect the optical or coaxial output from the TV to the speakers instead of direct from the PS4.

Alternatively turn on Game Mode on the TV.

doesn't it go to stereo from the tv or something though?

I found a thread that talked about this issue. apparently it's a ps4 issue for some. and by turning off 1080p/24p fixes it (which it did for me). not sure what's going on with that though.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

doesn't it go to stereo from the tv or something though?

I found a thread that talked about this issue. apparently it's a ps4 issue for some. and by turning off 1080p/24p fixes it (which it did for me). not sure what's going on with that though.

Try using a PS3 then and see if that works better. I've never used my PS4 for BD playback because the PS3 is a full-featured player.

 

[Joqu]

Hey GAF. Buddy of mine is getting rid of his Sony KDL-46EX720 and would let me pick it up for ~400 euros. I don't think this one's still available anywhere but that seems to be a good price still? What do you guys think?

I'm not an expert but from the reviews I've come across it seems like it has quite poor black levels. Doesn't seem to be too bad other than that though.

Right now I'm using some bad no-name 720p PC monitor as my TV so I'm guessing it'd still be a huge upgrade for me either way.

 

[drugstore_cowboy]

Guys, I think I'm bored of TVs. I want an image that fills my visual field from edge to edge.

I think I might get a cheap projector just to mess around with it. The BenQ W1070 is going to be a Newegg Shell Shocker at 6 pm Pacific. Also Amazon has the Optoma HD25e on offer with a $50 gift card.

Do it.

Very hard to go back to a TV after a projector.

 

[Canis lupus]

Do it.

Very hard to go back to a TV after a projector.

I too contemplate upgrading to a projector within the next 2 years if OLED still isn't cheap enough by then. But my concerns are the black levels, contrast and brightness, in a room during daytime without sunlight entering.

 

[Spazo]

guys I'm having a hard time finding a new TV for my basement.

Bought my last TV 6 years ago. It was a Samsung LN46A650 (1080p / 120hz)

What Im looking for:

- 60"
- 1080p
- LCD or Plasma
- I will be doing 70% movie/sport and 30% gaming (PC and PS4)
- Need at least 120hz and low input lag
- I don't care about 3D
- price max. is 2500$

I would like to have the new Samsung, but the thing is, they have mid input lag 45-50ms in PC mode ( in witch lower dramatically the image quality) (gaming mode is about 80-85ms)

Also Sony tv have very low input lag around 15-25ms, but I dont know about the image quality

Any advise ?

 

[darkwing]

Thanks, I'll probably go with that. I've read some reviews and it seems the differences between all of them aren't very noticeable and wouldn't warrant the extra $400. If anyone has a different opinion though let me know.

yeah i'd go for the W800B myself

 

[kakashi08]

guys I'm having a hard time finding a new TV for my basement.

Bought my last TV 6 years ago. It was a Samsung LN46A650 (1080p / 120hz)

What Im looking for:

- 60"
- 1080p
- LCD or Plasma
- I will be doing 70% movie/sport and 30% gaming (PC and PS4)
- Need at least 120hz and low input lag
- I don't care about 3D
- price max. is 2500$

I would like to have the new Samsung, but the thing is, they have mid input lag 45-50ms in PC mode ( in witch lower dramatically the image quality) (gaming mode is about 80-85ms)

Also Sony tv have very low input lag around 15-25ms, but I dont know about the image quality

Any advise ?

KDL-65W850A

 

[Spazo]

is the Samsung F8000 a good tv for gaming ?

 

[Xander Crews]

So I now have a Sony 55W800B on its way to me.

If anyone is interested in this one, ABT.com currently has it for $1198 (about $100 less than anywhere else), free shipping, and no tax in most states. And they are an authorized Sony dealer.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

is the Samsung F8000 a good tv for gaming ?

Samsung sets generally don't have good lag numbers. That particular set isn't listed on displaylag.com but I found this thread that indicates it might not be great for fast-reaction games. The Sony KDL-65W850A that kakshi08 mentioned would be my pick as well with your requirements.

 

[Spazo]

Samsung sets generally don't have good lag numbers. That particular set isn't listed on displaylag.com but I found this thread that indicates it might not be great for fast-reaction games. The Sony KDL-65W850A that kakshi08 mentioned would be my pick as well with your requirements.

I cant find the KDL-65W850A in Canada. It seem to be a 2013 TV.

Can only find B model

KDL55W790B
KDL60W840B
KDL55W950B
KDL60W850B
KDL65W950B
etc

As well, I think Samsung fixed the high input rate in a firmware.

This is getting frustrating... How can last year TV can be better then the one from this year... I hate buying a new TV, too damn complicated for nothing

 

[kakashi08]

About to pick up the 65w850a from BB tonight.
Should I get any protection plan or extended warranty? I've never bought a TV before. I've finally decided on this one.