MS: Xbox One June 2014 sales more than double May 2014's sales
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It's also skewed by some of those June buyers being hood offs from May because the cheaper kinect less sku was announced halfway through May. So it is 'more than double' from a depressed previous month
We won't really know a proper view of demand until at least next month. But we are in the quieter months anyway, so probably should wait for the fall numbers to start coming in.
What? I'm pretty sure the PS3 worldwide sales have surpassed Xbox 360 worldwide sales. It made the news a little while back if I remember correctly. Will dig for a link and edit this post as I am on my phone right now.
Imru’ al-Qays;121398313 said:
xbox one has also outsold everything else launch aligned, except for the ps4. my hypothesis is that this fanbase was basically trained over the last eight years to buy everything at the start, so all sales are extremely frontloaded. that would also include the consoles themselves.
other people believe that sales are slow right now until better games come out. i would agree with that too, but i have to wonder how far sales are going to jump in 2015 or 2016. it's not like the ps3 or 360 are looking like a late-gen ps2 right now either. it might be unrealistic to expect 40 million out of either one of these systems in the united states.
travisbickle
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It's not positive or negative, it's a thread offering a piece of information which we are discussing.
This "stop shitting in a positive thread" has to end, threads aren't positive or negative, they are informative.
It's gone back and forth over the years. There were reports of the PS3 being higher in 2011, 2013, etc. I think the most recent report is like 83.3 million X360s and 80 million PS3s, but the PS3 number hasn't been updated in a while. It wouldn't surprise me if they keep being really close and keep going back and forth a little until manufacturing of them ends.
Chobel
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I like how you admitted not reading the previous pages, heck it doesn't seem you read that page anyway. Not only there are different opinions in this thread, there also different topics discussed here.
"I haven't read any different position anyway", really? In the same page we two people having different opinion.
That's one to show us that you're better than us and our stupid discussions.
EventHorizon
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Here let me help you out.
Oh and about the meta debate...These discussions aren't just about what happened, but also why it happened.
Phat Michael
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Cmon dude. As if there arent some people that come into threads with a pre-disposed negative disposition on the issue at hand.
This thread is only a positive if you naïvely take Microsoft's PR at face value.
Doubling last month's anemic sales when you just had a 100$ pricecut is really not something to cheer about. Surely you understand this.
If anything, I'd say it's actually a negative thread, seeing as most would have expected Microsoft PR to come out with "We're the #1 selling platform in June". It's clear that they aren't.
LoL what a spin Reggie.
Has this thread picked apart the language in
June is 5 weeks, new $399 offer kicked in June 9th - so about 1 week in.
Are they actually saying June total >2x May total? Or can that mean that the remaining 4 weeks of June showed a 2x increase over May weekly sales? Assuming the first week of June was probably even lower than May as it as just before the new price launched, that could man overall sales for June are less than 2x May?
Edit: actually that would make things better for MS
May: 4 weeks, 77k. Averages to 19k per week
June (hypothetical): week 1 - 19k. Weeks 2-5 - 39k. Total for June 175k
If you take the while month of May and apply it to just the post - a June 9th period, you'd get 154k, then add around 19k for week 1, giving you 173k.
So the overall month could be around 175k? I'm just slightly confused by the language they are using.
June is 5 weeks, new $399 offer kicked in June 9th - so about 1 week in.
Are they actually saying June total >2x May total? Or can that mean that the remaining 4 weeks of June showed a 2x increase over May weekly sales? Assuming the first week of June was probably even lower than May as it as just before the new price launched, that could man overall sales for June are less than 2x May?
Edit: actually that would make things better for MS
May: 4 weeks, 77k. Averages to 19k per week
June (hypothetical): week 1 - 19k. Weeks 2-5 - 39k. Total for June 175k
If you take the while month of May and apply it to just the post - a June 9th period, you'd get 154k, then add around 19k for week 1, giving you 173k.
So the overall month could be around 175k? I'm just slightly confused by the language they are using.
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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That's how I read it. I'm guessing they also came third behind WiiU and PS4 for the month and came up with this release to control the narrative.
Did we ever get PR last month? I remember radio silence.
To be fair, I believe in this as well. It does not make any sense that a fanbase currently trained to buy console games day one wouldn't also buy their console day one. The fanbase just hasn't been trained to wait on purchases.
Chobel
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No PR last month. First time I think.
I thought the monthly figures don't back that up anymore? The huge numbers at launch might mean the LTD is still ahead of 360 etc, but that is going to get eaten up fast as launch aligned monthly figures are significantly below 360 now.
Some math done earlier suggested it could be roughly on par with April weekly numbers. We'll surely get a better picture when the NPD results come out later today
Imru al-Qays
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It could be a shift in culture or buying habits, sure. But it could also be the simple fact that there were enough PS4s and Xbones on shelves for people to buy, unlike in previous generations.
Psycho_Mantis
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This is disastrous for MS.
US is by far their strongest country and unlike the PS3 they do not have EU and Japan to pick up.
People may not realise but this very much looks like 360 vs PS3 this year.
360 vs PS3 (2007 first 5 months)
1050k vs 665k
385k difference
PS4 vs XB1 (2014 first 5 months)
1320k vs 902k
418k difference
Bearing in mind Sept - Dec is where the 360 really dominated could we be seeing the same gap with PS4 vs XB1.
US is by far their strongest country and unlike the PS3 they do not have EU and Japan to pick up.
People may not realise but this very much looks like 360 vs PS3 this year.
360 vs PS3 (2007 first 5 months)
1050k vs 665k
385k difference
PS4 vs XB1 (2014 first 5 months)
1320k vs 902k
418k difference
Bearing in mind Sept - Dec is where the 360 really dominated could we be seeing the same gap with PS4 vs XB1.
That might be true, but I am sure that is not why Microsoft created the Kinectless SKU.
A $399 Full SKU might have dealt some damage, but if Sony responded with $349 or $299 Microsoft would not be able to counter that ($50-$100 per console loss might be OK for MS, but sure not $150-$200)
With the Kinectless SKU Microsoft is able to match any Sony price drop, even undercut Sony's pricedrops or what is most obvious start a price war this holiday season if XB1 sales do not increase.
Even if that was not the initial idea by now Microsoft probably has realized it and will act accordingly with Kinectless SU at $399 obviously not been seen as a better value than say the Titanfall bundle.
reptilescorpio
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They don't give an end date so maybe it's sales from June 9th until July 16th.
Very possible we aren't since they are going out early like this....
well yeah. the big mystery is going to be finding out why the monthly sales are so low. unlike the ps4, the xbox one has had a lot more energy put towards it with more marketing and just effort to make people aware of it. it doesn't seem like a whole lot has helped so far.
Imru al-Qays
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It's just an inferior console with no redeeming qualities. A console with objectively worse hardware, a not particularly strong bench of exclusives, and that has no other major selling point. I don't think we've ever seen this before, have we? At least not since Sega was around, the Saturn and Dreamcast arguably both qualify. What we're seeing is the answer to the question of "what happens when you release a console that is a straight downgrade to its nearest competitor?" and the answer is that it just doesn't sell that well and that there's probably nothing marketing can do about it.
That is always the case on every thread related to each consoles' topic. Let the mods take care of it.
Opus Angelorum
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Imru al-Qays;121402591 said:
lol
shacklesmcgee
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Imru al-Qays;121402591 said:
So, you're liking your new X1 I take it? Haha yeesh
Imru al-Qays
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I should clarify that when I say it's an inferior console with no redeeming qualities I mean that from the perspective of the market, not from some sort of objective standpoint. Obviously it does have redeeming qualities in the sense that it has some high-quality exclusives and it has unique functionality with Kinect and HDMI input. But that's not really stuff that's caught on like, say, the PS2's DVD capability or the original Xbox's online multiplayer.
When I first read MS's PR release, I was thinking along these lines as well. That wouldn't be quite so bad. Still, if the XB1 couldn't "win" March with Titanfall and couldn't win June with a $100 price cut, I think Sony has a good hold on the monthly numbers for the foreseeable future.
Imru al-Qays;121402591 said:
*GASP* Don't you go bringing Dreamcast into this. What did it ever do to you huh? It still hurts man. Leave it alone you meanies :'(
I think you're reaching a bit here man. There are plenty of people who actually like the exclusives offered by XB1 (and Dreamcast you meanie). You can't claim objective superiority on that particular front simply because, for the most part, people's likes and dislikes in games are by definition subjective. So maybe to be back in the inferior console declarations a tad.... And leave Dreamcast alone.
Edit: ah well now that you've clarified fair enough but id still tone down the absolutist rhetoric a tad.
Imru al-Qays;121403167 said:
PS: Dreamcast is still off limits.
Imru al-Qays
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I don't mean to imply that the Xbone's exclusive roster is inferior to the PS4's - I personally think it is, but that's all preference. Neither console has a particularly strong roster of exclusives this generation. And that benefits the PS4: when neither console has many good exclusives there's no way for the weaker console to justify itself.
I'm not being absolutist for absolutism's sake, though. I just think this console generation is noteworthy for precisely this reason: one console has worse hardware and has no redeeming hardware gimmick or really outstanding exclusive library. In the past the weaker console has always had something going for it, and so we've never really seen what happens when the weaker console doesn't have anything going for it. The PS3 didn't have objectively worse hardware and it had Blu Rays. The Wii had motion controls that caught on like crazy. The PS2 had a library that was objectively superb and played DVDs. Neither the PS1 nor the N64 was blatantly more powerful than the other and both had excellent exclusives.
Microsoft obviously made a gamble that they'd have a successful gimmick that could outweigh their weaker hardware. But the gimmick didn't pay off and now they're stuck with a weaker system, and so we're seeing this scenario play out for maybe the first time.
Well it could go the other way too and that the average of those 3 weeks were more then double the average of may/first week of June. Which means it could potentially be even lower. If I had to guess they mean a month on month basis and not a week on week though.
panda-zebra
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Looks like there's a very real chance of ps4 sales for June => xbox one sales for May + June together.
On the brighter side for ms, the effects of the cheaper and more competitively-priced lower end SKU will maybe make themselves felt more around the holiday period.
On the brighter side for ms, the effects of the cheaper and more competitively-priced lower end SKU will maybe make themselves felt more around the holiday period.
They'd never do that. They are very sensitive about this stuff.
Mike Works
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Imru al-Qays;121402591 said:
How is more competitive than the $450 Titanfall bundle? You got a $60 game plus a $100 accessory for just $50 more than the current price of the bare bones Xbox One. As a value proposition the $399 Xbox One is a worse deal than what MS was offering earlier - and even the Titanfall bundle couldn't keep up with PS4 sales.
MrNyarlathotep
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Its just their usual sales reminder that the products out there; the list of games they follow it up with isn't claiming those are the reasons people are buying, but are reminding people those titles are coming.
the only thing missing from their usual spiel is mention of Xbox live gold bringing over x million gamers together to play online and enjoy the wide range of services yada yada yada
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Imru’ al-Qays;121402591 said:
I wonder what the people who think Nintendo should have just released a 'standard' console a year ago have to say to this.
Imru al-Qays;121403548 said:
Interesting analysis. Obviously the XB1 exclusive library will be appealing to some, but I'm inclined to agree with you that -- from a market standpoint -- the exclusive library is not enough to overcome the hardware issues. Halo and Gears just don't have the same sway they used to, and the release schedule for XB1 is fairly barren when you think about it. I'm sure they'll announce more, but I don't see how a weakened Halo Brand, weakened Gears Brand, and Quantum Break are going to save the system. I'm sure it'll do alright in sales until after the release of Halo 5, but...long term I just can't see the XB1 competing at the same level as the PS4 sales wise.
TAJ
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My take on this is that it's double the weekly sales for four of the weeks, but the same shitty sales (at best) the first week or probably worse because who's going to buy a few days before a price drop?
So basically somewhere between 154k and 173k. I'll go with 163k. (over twice as bad as May the first week)
Indeed. Or percentage-wise:
360 vs ps3 (2007, first 5 months):
61% vs 39% respectively
PS4 vs XB1 (2014, first 5 months);
59% vs 41% respectively
panda-zebra
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Wasn't really thinking in terms of value, only the bottom line for parents buying at xmas comparing to the next box on the shelf. I agree there was more offered in March for not a lot more $s. - a bundle with titanfall and the kinect for $50 more - is that still available? Maybe that's better value for some, potentially not useful for a kids presents being an adult game?
The UK had a similar worse deal.
Xbox One with Kinect & Titanfall was £349.
Xbox One - £349
Console was £429 to begin with but you can imagine it doesn't send a good message to consumers. Wouldn't be surprised if it was £299 by November.
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