Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors

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Obama is speaking on Al Jazeera

EDIT: Welp, that was brief. Obama being very careful with his public comments. Looks like the U.S government thinks Russia has a lot to do with it.
 
Bisnic said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but a black box might be pretty useless when you're hit by a missile and the fucking plane explode, there's nothing that had time to be recorded in there.
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Recording nothing is also saying a lot. It crosses of a awful lot it can't be. Since almost all disasters causes a lot of information to be registered.

Tugatrix said:
they can give the altitude and position of the plane when was hit
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They are also going to want to hear if the cabin crew spoke anything and what it was in those last seconds.

Morat said:
While I doubt they would have sensors for that particular purpose, I imagine you would be able to tell a lot from the data in hand: i.e sudden loss of pressure/control as plane breaks apart from a missile, vs some kind of power loss or other accidental reason or a crash
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Any information is extremely valuable. Any information is more then no information. They will want that black box.
 
Very brief comments from Obama; says they're working to determine if Americans were on board, as well as thoughts and prayers for all those killed.
 
Not the kind of news you want to wake up too.

300 people dead, for something they had no part of nor wanted.

The whole fighting going on was a farce before, so what does this make it?!
 
KHarvey16 said:
Give us a theory connecting them.
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sestrugen said:
Correlation causation what are they?
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Calm down, I wasn't trying to suggest anything, was just reading about possible causes for the disappearance of the other plane a day or two ago, and now saw the headline. Without reading more about the incident today, my gut reaction was that being the same airline possibly implies a connection.

I understand now that the circumstances were completely different.
 
Jme said:
From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.
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On that call they were discussing the sanctions and Obama saying how displeased he was over evidence of Russia giving them heavy weapons. Ugh.
 
AFAIK don't planes communicate with control over land pretty much constantly? Aren't black boxes more for recording over the ocean/in the event of a communications failure? Plus what info can it send after it's hit by a missile?

There's no doubt this thing was downed by a missile.
 
Jme said:
From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.
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What, did they ask the guy who presented the safety minute at the beginning of the call? How do people know this?
 
I took that plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur about one year ago. Gives me the creeps thinking about it.

Rip to all those innocent people :-(
 
Loud Hawk said:
Technically that is just the launcher. Pretty useless without the other vehicles needed to complete the "system", the radar and the fire control vehicle.
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Technically, that's a transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicle. (Note the radar dome in the picture.) Such vehicles are typically capable of engaging targets without any external support. (Although such support increases their effectiveness.)

It is interesting to speculate about whether the rebels were using a "untethered" launcher, and if that might partially explain why they seemingly did such a poor job of target identification. (I'm assuming that they didn't purposely shoot at a civilian airliner.)
 
As bad as Russia is, I wouldn't think this is something they would actually do themselves.

It sounds more like some pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine with Russian supplied missiles attacked the aircraft.

Russia is still responsible, but I don't think they are so stupid to be directly.
 
Whitechocolatekrispies said:
As bad as Russia is, I wouldn't think this is something they would actually do themselves.

It sounds more like some pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine with Russian supplied missiles attacked the aircraft.

Russia is still responsible, but I don't think they are so stupid to be directly.
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Oh, clearly. They're aware of just how dumb and bad this is for them.
 
Ding II said:
Technically, that's a transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicle. (Note the radar dome in the picture.) Such vehicles are typically capable of engaging targets without any external support. (Although such support increases their effectiveness.)

It is interesting to speculate about whether the rebels were using a "untethered" launcher, and if that might partially explain why they seemingly did such a poor job of target identification. (I'm assuming that they didn't purposely shoot at a civilian airliner.)
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I would say that the use of an untethered launcher is pretty likely. It would be hard for them to acquire and set up and entire system. It would also be a lot easier to "accidentally" hit the wrong target
 
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