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[Spineker]

Obama is speaking on Al Jazeera

EDIT: Welp, that was brief. Obama being very careful with his public comments. Looks like the U.S government thinks Russia has a lot to do with it.

 

[Oersted]

"BTW..."

"Yes?"

"We uh, might have blown up a passenger plane."

"Or was it you again?"

Srsly guys, stop the out of the ass posting.

 

[Tugatrix]

Obama to adress

 

[MIMIC]

Obama speaking (on all the major networks probably)

 

[Chanser]

4 french passengers.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Obama speaking live.

 

[MikeDown]

Russia deserves all the blame. It's their equipment and their support for these rebels that led to this.

Not really, seriously doubt either side wanted this to happen.

 

[kewlmyc]

My heart goes out to the families to everyone on that plane. What a terrible way to die. Fuck whoever shot them down.

 

[Roland1979]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a black box might be pretty useless when you're hit by a missile and the fucking plane explode, there's nothing that had time to be recorded in there.

Recording nothing is also saying a lot. It crosses of a awful lot it can't be. Since almost all disasters causes a lot of information to be registered.

they can give the altitude and position of the plane when was hit

They are also going to want to hear if the cabin crew spoke anything and what it was in those last seconds.

While I doubt they would have sensors for that particular purpose, I imagine you would be able to tell a lot from the data in hand: i.e sudden loss of pressure/control as plane breaks apart from a missile, vs some kind of power loss or other accidental reason or a crash

Any information is extremely valuable. Any information is more then no information. They will want that black box.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Obama going back into his stump.

Hasn't commented on American lives other than to say it was a "possibility."

 

[MIMIC]

Very brief comments from Obama; says they're working to determine if Americans were on board, as well as thoughts and prayers for all those killed.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Just heard about this because I've been in class all day.

If Russia is behind this then they need to be dealt with ASAP.

You go first! But don't stop there: Tell your friends and family to join.

 

[Jme]

From that Mashable link

RT also reports that Putin informed U.S. President Barack Obama about the crash immediately by phone, on the basis of air controller data.

Putin making the call to Obama speak volumes.

From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.

 

[Valhelm]

I don't think the speech will mention the plane crash.

 

[LQX]

Wow. Sadly, nothing at all will happen to Russia even if they are the main cause of it. R.I.P to all.

 

[Brohenheim]

This is terrible my condolences go out to all the families that lost loved ones

 

[entremet]

Horrible.

RIP.

 

[teruterubozu]

Wow. Sadly, nothing at all will happen to Russia even if they are the main cause of it. R.I.P to all.

Unfortunately. Putin will continue to Putin.

 

[Savitar]

Not the kind of news you want to wake up too.

300 people dead, for something they had no part of nor wanted.

The whole fighting going on was a farce before, so what does this make it?!

 

[Mesousa]

You go first! But don't stop there: Tell your friends and family to join.

I got one testicle. Military wont take me, but I do have family in the armed services.

 

[Sky Chief]

Not really, seriously doubt either side wanted this to happen.

What difference does it make if they wanted it to happen or not?

 

[SgtCobra]

Wow. Sadly, nothing at all will happen to Russia even if they are the main cause of it. R.I.P to all.

This is the truth.

 

[Megalosaro]

So much nationalism in this topic.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

I was listening to the soundtrack of United 93 when I saw this thread.

My heart goes out to all of those affected.

 

[AstroNut325]

Wow. Sadly, nothing at all will happen to Russia even if they are the main cause of it. R.I.P to all.

Sadly... this is what I think will happen too.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Give us a theory connecting them.

Correlation causation what are they?

Calm down, I wasn't trying to suggest anything, was just reading about possible causes for the disappearance of the other plane a day or two ago, and now saw the headline. Without reading more about the incident today, my gut reaction was that being the same airline possibly implies a connection.

I understand now that the circumstances were completely different.

 

[JCizzle]

From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.

On that call they were discussing the sanctions and Obama saying how displeased he was over evidence of Russia giving them heavy weapons. Ugh.

 

[MrPressStart]

Seems like Russia has been flexing its muscles more and more lately....
I have a feeling we are on the brink of World War 3.

 

[Dr.Acula]

AFAIK don't planes communicate with control over land pretty much constantly? Aren't black boxes more for recording over the ocean/in the event of a communications failure? Plus what info can it send after it's hit by a missile?

There's no doubt this thing was downed by a missile.

 

[Nikodemos]

From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.

"<V>: Oh, and BTW, we didn't shoot down that passenger plane.

<B>: WHAT PASSENGER PLANE.

<V>: Uhhh..."

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Not really, seriously doubt either side wanted this to happen.

Doesn't matter what they wanted to happen. It happened and they are to blame.

 

[Kreunt]

Obama was really nonchalant about the whole thing :S

 

[Megasoum]

I know it's not gonna happen but I would love to hear that phone call when they get interrupted by the news.

 

[GungHo]

From what I understand, they were on a call at the time. Putin just brought it up, in a 'this just in' fashion.

What, did they ask the guy who presented the safety minute at the beginning of the call? How do people know this?

 

[BlackJace]

Seems like Russia has been flexing its muscles more and more lately....
I have a feeling we are on the brink of World War 3.

We're not, relax.

 

[lemmykoopa]

I took that plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur about one year ago. Gives me the creeps thinking about it.

Rip to all those innocent people :-(

 

[MrPressStart]

These missles (On a bigger scale) its like giving a child firecrackers and asking them to be safe... Something has to give.

 

[Ding II]

Technically that is just the launcher. Pretty useless without the other vehicles needed to complete the "system", the radar and the fire control vehicle.

Technically, that's a transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicle. (Note the radar dome in the picture.) Such vehicles are typically capable of engaging targets without any external support. (Although such support increases their effectiveness.)

It is interesting to speculate about whether the rebels were using a "untethered" launcher, and if that might partially explain why they seemingly did such a poor job of target identification. (I'm assuming that they didn't purposely shoot at a civilian airliner.)

 

[DoktorEvil]

Wow. Sadly, nothing at all will happen to Russia even if they are the main cause of it. R.I.P to all.

The US can't interfere without cause and Malaysia won't attack Russia.

Fucking great.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Obama going back into his stump.

Hasn't commented on American lives other than to say it was a "possibility."

Because it's not wise to announce that American lives have been lost when

A) There might be the slight possibility it isn't true.

B) You haven't informed the families yet.

 

[Morat]

Because it's not wise to announce that American lives have been lost when

A) There might be the slight possibility it isn't true.

B) You haven't informed the families yet.

Thank you for this sensible post

 

[MaxwellGames]

it's a semi recognition of guilt

It's called "Covering Your Own Ass"


If this traces back to the Russians in any way, there will be hell to pay.

 

[Maxim726X]

The US can't interfere without cause and Malaysia won't attack Russia.

Fucking great.

They do have cause... 28 dead Americans is all the cause they need.

 

[Whitechocolatekrispies]

As bad as Russia is, I wouldn't think this is something they would actually do themselves.

It sounds more like some pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine with Russian supplied missiles attacked the aircraft.

Russia is still responsible, but I don't think they are so stupid to be directly.

 

[MrPressStart]

The fighter jet goes down earlier and now the passenger plane. Basically in the same area... Yet we cant prove anything? I call BS...

 

[kirblar]

As bad as Russia is, I wouldn't think this is something they would actually do themselves.

It sounds more like some pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine with Russian supplied missiles attacked the aircraft.

Russia is still responsible, but I don't think they are so stupid to be directly.

Oh, clearly. They're aware of just how dumb and bad this is for them.

 

[DoktorEvil]

They do have cause... 28 dead Americans is all the cause they need.

It's confirmed there were Americans on that plane?

 

[Acorn]

Love the folks eager to attack russia.

MAD- literally.

 

[Arksy]

Super sad about this.

Condolences to everyone.

 

[Loud Hawk]

Technically, that's a transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicle. (Note the radar dome in the picture.) Such vehicles are typically capable of engaging targets without any external support. (Although such support increases their effectiveness.)

It is interesting to speculate about whether the rebels were using a "untethered" launcher, and if that might partially explain why they seemingly did such a poor job of target identification. (I'm assuming that they didn't purposely shoot at a civilian airliner.)

I would say that the use of an untethered launcher is pretty likely. It would be hard for them to acquire and set up and entire system. It would also be a lot easier to "accidentally" hit the wrong target