I do know it isn't labelling all guys but it does seem it. I am against the labelling of things rather then who it is actually labelling. I to tend to not post in threads were a few guys are going on about their random fantasies. Instead of labelling it boys club etc it should be labelled what it actually is.
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I do know it isn't labelling all guys but it does seem it. I am against the labelling of things rather then who it is actually labelling. I to tend to not post in threads were a few guys are going on about their random fantasies. Instead of labelling it boys club etc it should be labelled what it actually is.
If they contact me, I'll go to the thread wherein they felt they had an issue and moderate according to our policies. There should be NO threads where people don't feel welcome to join. If that's happening somewhere -- and we know it does, particularly in some of the more insular community topics -- let us know and we'll check it out.
It is not acceptable, but it has been tolerated for so long that the ones who perpetrate it feel safe that they are untouchable. That whole article turns my stomach, but I do realize that this is a common thing, and that is scary.
There was that interesting bit on This American Life about a transman who was currently in transition and receiving his first, very high, testosterone dosage. It does seems to have changed his sexuality a lot
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/220/transcript
Unfortunately seem many studies on the subject inconclusive due to many outside factors. Many coming from society like you already mentioned.
I don't mean to say that it drives men into blind sex machines, but there does seem to be an inherent difference between female and male sexuality.
The Librarian
Banned
Dude, you're assuming way too much based on a hormone.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It became pervasive through the same arguments we see trotted out here - you can't do anything about it, so just ignore it. So people grew to tolerate it over time and the cycle just repeats itself over and over.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Please...PLEASE! Stop with the #NotallMen defenses in this thread.
Please.
If you feel the article was a personal affront, then take a second to cool down and try and apply some critical thought. If after that, you still feel aggrieved, then it probably says more about you than you think.
Please.
If you feel the article was a personal affront, then take a second to cool down and try and apply some critical thought. If after that, you still feel aggrieved, then it probably says more about you than you think.
licktheenvelope
Member
I'm not assuming, it's how I felt. I never raped women or harassed women, I was brought up to always be gentlemanely. What I don't like these days is women seem to brush that off as "whatever that's not how you should feel..."... Ask the 17 year old guys on here... it's rough.
Waifu and husbandos are definitely just jokes except for some Gaffers who sometimes take it too far. I don't take any of those threads seriously.
not making a statement on policy, but for my own part I recoil any time I read "waifu". incidentally, beyond that, uh, some japanese games played and discussed on these forums I find to be genuinely creepy. I may catch flak for that. but whatever.
The Librarian
Banned
Then you've proven my point that is has nothing to do with testosterone.
Yeah, sometimes it's downright unsettling. Especially if said "Waifu" looks underage.
Nostremitus
Member
This type of behaviour bothers me too.
licktheenvelope
Member
It's still really tough to deal with. I agree with your point, but women brush off just how controlling it is. You literally feel like you're losing your mind (ask the teenage guys on here).
The Librarian
Banned
I feel more comfortable posting and discussing these issues on NeoGAF than, say, IGN or Gamespot or GiantBomb forums, if that clears anything up.
Nostremitus
Member
That's basically why 25 and over clubs exist. They don't let the younger guys in who haven't completed puberty.
GAF is pretty much one of the best moderated gaming forums. I cannot deal with forums in those gaming sites. People get away with pretty terrible insulting comments.
checkeredknight
Member
I have worked at two AAA studios and I can happily say that I always view criticism from both male and female members of staff equally. Some of my closer friends from these companies are female - I don't understand all the hate.
They followed up with a comment on necrophilia so I stopped trying to decipher it.
Really? I just always saw the whole waifu/husbando thing as a way of kind of being silly about fictional characters we think are cute or have stupid little crushes on. I know some folks are all about being creepy about that stuff, but I always thought that was just part of fandom and something that both guys and girls participate in. Like, not even in really a sexual way. Just a silly way to sort of joke about characters we like.
However, the underage stuff can gtfo.
blitzcloud
Banned
If a girl says something to me in a game I take it equally as if a man said it. However, generally girls have been more polite than the general populace of men in my case.
Am I special or something? The days where someone gets called out negatively for being a female without everyone jumping on her date around...well, on 2005 I already saw that attitude so.
Maybe it's cause no "Callo'Duty" in my life. Or maybe it's because i'm polite myself. I don't know.
However, as a server administrator I've had my fair share of threats that involved physically harming me. I got a phone call to my house from the guy. Many people wished me cancer. When speaking about women it seems like they go for the more sexual insult. it seems that even in their threats they don't find acceptable beating up a girl, but they wish for rape, murder and claim they will stalk them
it only natural. In the other sites it would take them 2 minutes to set up an account to insult you and act nice on their main.
Am I special or something? The days where someone gets called out negatively for being a female without everyone jumping on her date around...well, on 2005 I already saw that attitude so.
Maybe it's cause no "Callo'Duty" in my life. Or maybe it's because i'm polite myself. I don't know.
However, as a server administrator I've had my fair share of threats that involved physically harming me. I got a phone call to my house from the guy. Many people wished me cancer. When speaking about women it seems like they go for the more sexual insult. it seems that even in their threats they don't find acceptable beating up a girl, but they wish for rape, murder and claim they will stalk them
it only natural. In the other sites it would take them 2 minutes to set up an account to insult you and act nice on their main.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Yeah, sorry, didn't notice your post on it until after I posted my response and then saw it disappear.
The Librarian
Banned
This comes off as another variation of the "boys will be boys" excuse, which I don't buy. It's just a hormone, dude.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Also lol @ thinking the first amendment covers private forums...
I mean it's one thing to call Samus, Peach, Zelda etc a waifu and it's easier to accept. But some others? Namely ones with exaggerated breasts, or their scantily clad and clearly look like a 7~13 year old kid... that's disturbing.
still just a hormone when a woman has pms and bites off everyones head over nothing?
You're being dismissive of his statements and wouldnt it go both ways?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
....Wow.
I think there's a whole sector/aspect of some japanese games (and other media) that seems completely "not okay" to me, so "not okay" that I don't really like making it fun and cuddly by jokingly using terms that refer to it.
again, I'm getting into a dangerous area here, because this sector is also populated by the blurriest of lines and if we started trying to name names and parse things out we'd end up twisted in knots. I just know there's something that's, in my view, not okay.
awesome...
wut
licktheenvelope
Member
I'm not excusing bad behaviour... what i'm saying is there's an attitude from women that this doesn't matter and that men and women are equal. That's not the case. There's no bad/good, right/wrong with it... but men/women are different.
Nostremitus
Member
I agree, I don't understand the 7yo with breasts waifu fetishists... as a parent I find them deeply disturbing.
Though it's not yet ideal, NeoGAF is significantly better than less moderated forums out there. The mods do a good job keeping things on a higher level than many other forums. It is actually impressive considering how big NeoGAF is.
So I always find myself coming back because it's so much worse out there. NeoGAF is the only forum where I've "admitted" to being female. I avoid anything related to gender elsewhere.
But there is always room for improvement.
Yep and me.
Professor Beef
Banned
why is it always the juniors
Now that you mention it, if you're talking about the creepy underage stuff I totally get it and you're right. I guess I've just always used the term for games like Harvest Moon or Fire Emblem Awakening, which have themselves been guilty of the creepier side of that from time to time.
You are correct. A man's attraction to females is totally controllable (unless one has some kind of mental disorder/horrible example in being raised).
I'm incredibly attracted to women, as I should be, but I'd never act in anyway to harass or make them uncomfortable.
The "boys will be boys" excuse is total BS. Ones that act that way should have been taught some manners.
There's no excuse for acting like a massive jerk.
As I understand it, this person is going through the equivalent of puberty. Adolescent youths go through the same thing. It dies down eventually, though. I am not constantly aroused like I was when I was 14. I can essentially turn it off and on at will in adult hood.
The Librarian
Banned
This'll be the last time I say this because obviously I'm not getting anywhere, but men do not harass women more often because they have more testosterone. It's from a cultural environment of being able to get away with those kinds of comments and society tolerating that kind of behavior in many places.
This is obviously good as not everyone can just "man up" and deal with the constant barrage of hate.
The thing is that these days it can get very personal very quickly as gaming accounts can be linked with Facebook and other social media, people tend to put themselves out there via streams and so on. I'm older now and I have means to deal with potential troublemakers. I think even though in some respects society has progressed, as a whole it might be tougher out there now for young people and females than what it was 10 years ago...
You're looking at it wrong, these threads were designed to flush out the lemmings.
I'm a gay man who has been asked out on more dates by women than gay men. Can we trade?
Mm. And this goes for any issue, not just someone who feels that there is an attempt to exclude them or drive them from a thread. And remember: If you didn't report something that bothered you when you saw it, you don't get to complain that they got away with murder later.
Of course, if you do PM a moderator and you don't get a response, this doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't looked at. We sometimes forget to respond; we sometimes just fill a request and move on (e.g. name change); we sometimes look at it, decide the issue is so minor that it is manifestly absurd that they'd be whining about it in the first place and we can't think of a reason to dignify it with a response. There's nothing wrong with sending an alert to multiple moderators about an issue, though; it'll increase the likelihood that someone you send it to has time to look at it and will be able and willing to respond.
Palette Swap
Member
I should totally post this in the predestination paradox thread.
blitzcloud
Banned
People here will ridicule you. But I understand what you mean. pms means pain. And under painful circumstances one would react different to everything than, let's say, being cheerful.
But to all those saying wow/awesome/etc to this, do you think we're not in the least affected in our testosterone levels when playing? This can cloud our normal behavior. Some will even say shit to get relief, even if they regret it afterwards.
The only problem is the notion that people have that words are so full of value coming from a disgruntled person. Do you pay much attention to what an alcoholic person rambling on the streets says? would you get seriously offended?