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[Sera O]

Yeah it's really uncomfortable. You're also kind of trapped because you have to suck it up and just go with it to avoid upsetting the customer but sometimes it get's to me and I get really awkward around them to show I'm not really happy with the comment.

It's just such a weird thing to say to someone busy working. Why exactly would I be smiling all the time unless I start helping a customer?

But yeah I've gotten it at random places too like bars, busses, etc. At least then I can ignore them without any consequences, heh.

It's pretty obnoxious. Like they are saying "do a better job at being part of the scenery of my life, be a better decoration" or something. It's even worse if the job is based on service; I can only imagine what people think waitstaff should put up with in return for crappy tips etc when they can't get away from the situation.

EDIT: Being called ma'am is not a problem imo

 

[licktheenvelope]

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but are you a woman who also regularly takes public transportation?

Nope and nope. I will ask around here though (am at work)...

EDIT:

Huh, I apologize. My boss claims she gets it all the time from "creepy old men"... (by that she means 60+)...

She says there's a thing that started in the last year (for some reason) where they will also come up and say "you're the prettiest girl i've ever seen!" just randomly.

I guess you miss this when you spend 90% of your time on a PC or hiking in the mountains... hrm

 

[The Librarian]

Drunk frat bros have always had a tendency to act like they are 13...

Actually, replace "always" with "ever since Animal House came out" according to my Dad.

Uh...please stop trivializing the harassment I experience. These are not drunk frat boys.

 

[AmuroRX]

What i'm really bothered by all of this is that i'm being painted as some sexist non-emphatic gender discrimination denier....which I AM NOT!

I think it's a fools errand to start comparing who has it worse off. Which I never did. I didn't make myself victim nor am I victim blaming. Nothing I wrote was meant to come off that way. If it did I apologize

If anyone thinks I'm blind to suffering of others and that I somehow think women need to shutup about their problems, then you have read me completely wrong.

It doesn't honestly matter who is discriminated more. Any type of discrimination is wrong and horrible. Just because I think everyone gets discriminated does not mean that women shouldn't stand up and write about their experiences and ask people to change their ways. Its important that this stuff is put out in the open so that people can recognize that people are getting hurt.

All of you who have attacked me are whats wrong with whats happening today. We are so quick to anger and so quick to completely disregard anyone who happens to think differently (even though we both agree with the issue on hand) that it makes very difficult to have a discussion.

I opened up about my own personal problems (which I have many more of them but I won't share) so that we can have a dialog. So that there is starting point of understanding. I am not a woman...but does that matter? Does that mean I cant empathize with issues women are going through? I didn't discuss my persona problems to ask for pity or to be labeled a victim. It was only meant as a way to show empathy toward the struggles women go through.

If you are unable to take that at face value and would rather call me out as a victim blamer; looking to attack women for expressing their dismay over the current state gender politics; then I dont' know what to do.

I'm sorry...

 

[Neiteio]

I have no problem with it. I like being ma'am'ed, in fact.

Really? I always worry that if I call a woman "ma'am," she might think I see her as old or something. I know that many people who use the term mean it in the same way they'd use "sir" -- a sign of respect -- but I'm always worried it'll be taken the wrong way. It's also why I generally avoid asking women their age, despite it often being protocol for my line of work. So yeah... I think to be safe, I'll just stick to "miss."

 

[Jintor]

Not necessarily "know better" ... just my take on who exactly is harassing them.

Basic summary is this -

Young boys acting like punks + older weirdos who don't "participate" in society continue to harass female gamers online

In response, female game journalist will publish an article about the issue of gender which is directed at everyone. (As it should be)

I should add - it just seems kind of redundant. I know it's important to let people know what's going on, but the young kids who harass online will never read these articles, and the weirdos who harass and stalk women online aren't going to change their stripes anytime soon.

I feel like it's not so much about immediately changing the people who are already harrassing - though if these kinds of articles spark a sense of empathy, then that's a bonus - but rather about changing the overall culture. About not letting this kind of thing slide when casually addressed, about changing a bystander who sees it as a harmless prank into someone who has a sense of what this kind of thing can do to people and can perhaps intervene in whatever way, major or minor, and stop it going forward. And of course to teach others the bounds of behaviour and the like.

 

[Maidenpool?]

did you just like skip my massive post which proves you demonstrably wrong with a shit fuck of links showing it is PLENTY of adults who absolutely participate in society who do this shit?

What's wrong with you? Do you want to have an actual conversation about this subject, or just persist in your logical fallacies?

Since I have been proven "demonstrably wrong," with my "logical fallacies," I see no point in engaging with you in a debate, since I have already lost.

 

[The Librarian]

Really? I always worry that if I called a woman "ma'am," she might think I see her as old or something. I know that many people who use the term mean it in the same way they'd use "sir" -- a sign of respect -- but I'm always worried it'll be taken the wrong way. It's also why I generally avoid asking women their age, despite it often being protocol for my line of work. So yeah... I think to be safe, I'll just stick to "miss."

I've never received that impression. It's always been a sign of respect to me.

 

[Gbraga]

Yeah it's really uncomfortable. You're also kind of trapped because you have to suck it up and just go with it to avoid upsetting the customer but sometimes it get's to me and I get really awkward around them to show I'm not really happy with the comment.

It's just such a weird thing to say to someone busy working. Why exactly would I be smiling all the time unless I start helping a customer?

But yeah I've gotten it at random places too like bars, busses, etc. At least then I can ignore them without any consequences, heh.

I have to smile all the time while I'm with a customer, and I hate it. I can't even imagine how fucking awful it would be to actually have people actively asking me to.

I always try to treat my customers as well as I can, some times some coworkers say I'm "too nice", but even then I think I'd just say like "seriously?" if someone said something like this to me.

Come on, what a load of bullshit.

and the sad thing is it's only like some distant number down on a list of hundreds of items that sexist men do to creep women the fuck out

i mean it's bad everywhere, but this is our game industry, we should strive for better. We should DEMAND better. Not just accept nonsense like animations would take double the work, or we're gonna have barely dressed ladies dancing around our booths, or we're going to segregate a gaming tournament by male and female. It's absurdity. We have to fight back. It's a cause worth fighting for.

I still don't get the "animations would take too much work" thing. Like, even if it's absolutely true, so what? Isn't it worth it? I get the idea that most of their fanbase is male, but do they want to sell to the majority of their fanbase or to all of it? Don't they want to expand their fanbase? I honestly don't get their point.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Drunk frat bros have always had a tendency to act like they are 13...

Actually, replace "always" with "ever since Animal House came out" according to my Dad.

There may be something to be said of the notion that some of the more hateful things probably are said by thoughtless people that aren't worth caring about. However, I also very strongly suspect that you're grossly underestimating the prevalence of this kind of chatter in order to present an argument that is basically just the "No true Scotsman" defense.

 

[Maidenpool?]

Uh...please stop trivializing the harassment I experience. These are not drunk frat boys.

I read "college-age" and assumed "college student" for whatever reason.

 

[Amir0x]

What i'm really bothered by all of this is that i'm being painted as some sexist non-emphatic gender discrimination denier....which I AM NOT!

I think it's a fools errand to start comparing who has it worse off. Which I never did. I didn't make myself victim nor am I victim blaming. Nothing I wrote was meant to come off that way. If it did I apologize

If anyone thinks I'm blind to suffering of others and that I somehow think women need to shutup about their problems, then you have read me completely wrong.

It doesn't honestly matter who is discriminated more. Any type of discrimination is wrong and horrible. Just because I think everyone gets discriminated does not mean that women shouldn't stand up and write about their experiences and ask people to change their ways. Its important that this stuff is put out in the open so that people can recognize that people are getting hurt.

All of you who have attacked me are whats wrong with whats happening today. We are so quick to anger and so quick to completely disregard anyone who happens to think differently (even though we both agree with the issue on hand) that it makes very difficult to have a discussion.

I opened up about my own personal problems (which I have many more of them but I won't share) so that we can have a dialog. So that there is starting point of understanding. I am not a woman...but does that matter? Does that mean I cant empathize with issues women are going through? I didn't discuss my persona problems to ask for pity or to be labeled a victim. It was only meant as a way to show empathy toward the struggles women go through.

If you are unable to take that at face value and would rather call me out as a victim blamer; looking to attack women for expressing their dismay over the current state gender politics; then I dont' know what to do.

I'm sorry...

We're attacking your posts, and the tone of them. That's just what happens in a discussion. If you're coming into a topic about discrimination/sexism women face in the industry, and read an article about that, why would your first response be to say 'yeah they do, but so do I!' It's not about trivializing it, it's about feeling the need to insert yourself as a victim when women NEED the stage right now, it's truly embarrassing what is going on in workplaces across the country, particularly as it pertains specifically to the game industry right now.

The problem is this isn't about discrimination specific to you. It's about a very specific type of discrimination, and when you come into this topic and try to divert attention for that singleminded focus because you think it's a good idea that we highlight once again the problems some men face is insensitive at the very least.

So, no, we're not what's wrong.

Since I have been proven "demonstrably wrong," with my "logical fallacies," I see no point in engaging with you in a debate, since I have already lost.

And you have, factually. There's no actually arguing with the links themselves - I showed you tons of links with adults who are part of society doing just this in the game industry. To deny it is just to make shit up to make yourself feel better. Being coy about these facts because you don't like being proven wrong is also not particularly kind to any point you're making. Own up to what you said, show these ladies how all these examples - and infinitely more - are just 13 year olds saying outrageous shit, and your point my hold some weight to anybody.

Edit: Shit, should have seen that one coming.

 

[ReignofSparrows]

I've always heard of this, but never really experienced it or heard it happening to someone I know. That may also be because I live in the midwest and we typically don't walk or use public transportation. Super weird and creepy though.

I live in the Midwest, and this happens with some regularity to women that I know. Another form of harassment I've both seen and heard about is strangers making compliments then getting upset when nothing is returned. I came out of my apartment to greet my partner one time and heard a dude angrily say 'not even a smile?' I asked what that was about, and she said he said she had a nice ass. I know this is just one example (of quite a few), but this sort of thing isn't isolated to a big city or even to public transportation.

And I just want to say that it baffles me that men are so oblivious to the harassment women face when it is plain as day if you have a significant other (assuming hetero dude, obviously) or close female friends. I've seen friends have to walk each other home from parties for safety, I've witnessed groping and unwanted touching of my friends and partner in bars and even in the workplace, and that stuff is mild compared to the more egregious forms of harassment and assault that women close to me have experienced. Like, I get that empathy isn't the easiest thing in the world for some people, but women are a pretty large group, so I would think most people would be able to see what they have to deal with regardless of their own status.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

This infuriates me. Even more so that this could be applied to work environments everywhere, not just the gaming industry. This shit needs to stop.

People are just scum... even if it stops, the bastards will still think it...

 

[The Librarian]

I read "college-age" and assumed "college student" for whatever reason.

:|

 

[sneaky77]

On a side note, in terms of how people treat women, something that always irks me is when someone calls a woman "ma'am." I'm a firm believer you should always call a woman you don't know "miss." Even if the woman is, say, a great-grandmother in her 90s. I wouldn't want any woman to ever think there's something about them that suggests they seem "old." Not that there's shame in age -- there's not -- but it's natural everyone wants to be perceived more "youthfully." So I just stick to "miss," when calling out to women I don't know, and it always seems a bit insensitive when other people use "ma'am," although I know they don't mean ill.

What I learnt from living in the US south is that ma'am is usually a term of respect.. unless I have been taught wrong lol

 

[licktheenvelope]

Huh, I apologize. My boss claims she gets it all the time from "creepy old men"... (by that she means 60+)... who come up and say "smile."

She says there's a thing that started in the last year (for some reason) where they will also come up and say "you're the prettiest girl i've ever seen!" just randomly.

I guess you miss this when you spend 90% of your time on a PC or hiking in the mountains... hrm

 

[Jintor]

I live in the Midwest, and this happens with some regularity to women that I know. Another form of harassment I've both seen and heard about is strangers making compliments then getting upset when nothing is returned. I came out of my apartment to greet my partner one time and heard a dude angrily say 'not even a smile?' I asked what that was about, and she said he said she had a nice ass.

I know it's way past the point of return, but at that point I feel like you should've told him he has a nice ass

 

[Neiteio]

What I learnt from living in the US south is that ma'am is usually a term of respect.. unless I have been taught wrong lol

It just occurred to me, "ma'am" is a short form of "madam," isn't it? Never really thought about where it came from until now.

 

[Gbraga]

Really? I always worry that if I call a woman "ma'am," she might think I see her as old or something. I know that many people who use the term mean it in the same way they'd use "sir" -- a sign of respect -- but I'm always worried it'll be taken the wrong way. It's also why I generally avoid asking women their age, despite it often being protocol for my line of work. So yeah... I think to be safe, I'll just stick to "miss."

Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I really don't give a shit if someone thinks I see them as old. Now, if ma'am could be disrespectful for some other reason, I'd definitely like to know.

 

[Gestault]

She says there's a thing that started in the last year (for some reason) where they will also come up and say "you're the prettiest girl i've ever seen!" just randomly.

Holy crap, that's almost word-for-word what I've seen/had described to me.

Ouch.

 

[Krejlooc]

At least down here in Texas, ma'am is a sign of respect. "Yes ma'am, no ma'am" etc.

 

[Neiteio]

I know it's way past the point of return, but at that point I feel like you should've told him he has a nice ass

Not to minimize anything, but on a lighter note, I'm now envisioning a society where it's customary to marvel at each other's asses on meeting.

"My, what a nice ass you have today, good sir!"

"And you too, madam! The nicest ass of all!"

*tips hat and struts down the street*

 

[Amir0x]

Not to minimize anything, but on a lighter note, I'm now envisioning a society where it's customary to marvel at each other's asses on meeting.

"My, what a nice ass you have today, good sir!"

"And you too, madam! The nicest ass of all!"

*tips hat and struts down the street*

"Sir, has anyone today acknowledged what a prodigious rear end you have? It is most impressive, most impressive indeed haroomph roomph roomph."

 

[Jinko]

That whole smiling thing is weird, first time I have heard about it.

 

[JDSN]

People are just scum... even if it stops, the bastards will still think it...

But the new generations will not grow up in an environment in which this kind of abuse is natural or even implicitly encouraged.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I can only imagine how many "nice guys" work in the games industry that have a chip on their shoulder about all the women that have rejected their awkward, creepy advances.

Just awful, and shameful.

 

[licktheenvelope]

Holy crap, that's almost word-for-word what I've seen/had described to me.

Ouch.

She also works as a bartendar at nights and says that atmosphere is bad for it too... but she kind of expects it there and has an evil glare.

 

[Xando]

I always wonder what kind of people go on the internet and insult/threaten other human beings they dont even know. I mean dont they have anything else to do like work,school or something?

 

[Beefy]

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but are you a woman who also regularly takes public transportation? There's some subtext to your response that seems to suggest region as the cause, and I know that's not the case.

I'm a guy and get asked to smile by my boss at work nearly every day. Freaks me the hell out.

 

[Amir0x]

She also works as a bartendar at nights and says that atmosphere is bad for it too... but she kind of expects it there and has an evil glare.

bars are the absolute worst for women. If I were a woman, I don't even think I'd have the resolve to go night after night at a bar, after witnessing the shit I've seen happen to bartenders

 

[BlastProcessing]

Not necessarily "know better" ... just my take on who exactly is harassing them.

Basic summary is this -

Young boys acting like punks + older weirdos who don't "participate" in society continue to harass female gamers online

In response, female game journalist will publish an article about the issue of gender which is directed at everyone. (As it should be)

I should add - it just seems kind of redundant. I know it's important to let people know what's going on, but the young kids who harass online will never read these articles, and the weirdos who harass and stalk women online aren't going to change their stripes anytime soon.

Ok then, you need to accept that the people being harassed have more knowledge about their harassers than you do. You need to understand that when you assert that you know more about their situation than they do it sounds incredibly condescending. You need to realize that you are using mental gymnastics (it's only young boys, punks and weirdos that are the problem) to justify the status quo. It's so easy to create an obvious scapegoat group and simultaneously blame them and claim that they are harmless.

While it's true that many of the people who harass online will never read this article, their parents, siblings, co-workers and friends might. Those are the people who need to realize that this is a problem and step up and say "that's not cool" when that see this sort of thing going on. Misogyny isn't a feminist problem for feminists to fix. It is all of our problem and it's all of our responsibility to make it better. It's not something we can fix in a few bold strokes, it's something that we have to vigilantly and methodically deal with every time we face it.

 

[Gestault]

Not to minimize anything, but on a lighter note, I'm now envisioning a society where it's customary to marvel at each other's asses on meeting.

"My, what a nice ass you have today, good sir!"

"And you too, madam! The nicest ass of all!"

*tips hat and struts down the street*

This is now my favorite musing in the whole discussion.

 

[Neiteio]

"Sir, has anyone today acknowledged what a prodigious rear end you have? It is most impressive, most impressive indeed haroomph roomph roomph."

lol, you could take it further and have the equivalent of "why aren't you smiling," like so:

"Why aren't you clenching, madam! It doesn't flatter a lady to relax her buttocks so!"

...man, Butt World would be weird

 

[Jobbs]

Seems a bit relevant here, and I don't mean to derail off onto another tangent, but we have this whole thread here where we seem to have some nice vibes going and people are trying to understsand eachother, but elsewhere on the forum we have threads like this, where people are evaluating a girl based on their looks, discussing whether they'd "put it in her snatch" and making comments about how many hotter girls you might see at a given college campus. It's all a bit icky.

Is this permissible or is this just a matter of the police not showing up yet? Honest question. If it's simply a matter of the moderators not being alerted yet, well, sorry to clutter this thread with it.

 

[Beckx]

Huh, I apologize. My boss claims she gets it all the time from "creepy old men"... (by that she means 60+)... who come up and say "smile."

She says there's a thing that started in the last year (for some reason) where they will also come up and say "you're the prettiest girl i've ever seen!" just randomly.

I guess you miss this when you spend 90% of your time on a PC or hiking in the mountains... hrm

Yeah. That's why I think conversations like this can help getting more and more people to look and see what's happening.

 

[RedHotChimiChanga]

I wonder how much does the region difference takes into account.

In the companies I been in, there are a lot more woman involved (still a minority), and they are treated with respect. I haven't heard any sexual harassment issues in my area.

Edit: Actually, I remember one time when a female friend of mine, a QA manager, went to Louisiana to assist a QA team. On the first day, she was immediately sexually harassed with college students using sexual remarks and trying to get her to go out with them (they soon found out she was their lead lol).

 

[Wazzy]

I wonder how much does the region difference takes into account.

In the companies I been in, there are a lot more woman involved (still a minority), and they are treated with respect. I haven't heard any sexual harassment issues in my area.

Well you might not hear about it because there's lot's of women who don't talk about it or just brush it off.

It's pretty obnoxious. Like they are saying "do a better job at being part of the scenery of my life, be a better decoration" or something. It's even worse if the job is based on service; I can only imagine what people think waitstaff should put up with in return for crappy tips etc when they can't get away from the situation.

EDIT: Being called ma'am is not a problem imo

Yeah waiters and waitresses get it pretty bad.

I work retail so I'm dealing with people frequently. I've had to deal with even worse than the "smile" comments but they're still grating. I once had a guy sitting in our furniture chairs tell me he would be my boss and I'm his employee which was so weird and uncomfortable.

I have to smile all the time while I'm with a customer, and I hate it. I can't even imagine how fucking awful it would be to actually have people actively asking me to.

I always try to treat my customers as well as I can, some times some coworkers say I'm "too nice", but even then I think I'd just say like "seriously?" if someone said something like this to me.

Come on, what a load of bullshit.
.

Yeah same. I always try to be great with the customer. So it really throws you off when they make the "smile" comments.

 

[licktheenvelope]

bars are the absolute worst for women. If I were a woman, I don't even think I'd have the resolve to go night after night at a bar, after witnessing the shit I've seen happen to bartenders

Like I said she's tough. *nod*

 

[soultron]

I can only imagine how many "nice guys" work in the games industry that have a chip on their shoulder about all the women that have rejected their awkward, creepy advances.

Just awful, and shameful.

One time, at the company I work for, we had an anonymous contest where you submitted funny pictures.

People either forgot it was anonymous (but the company could still see your entries once submitted), forgot that all of the other branches of my company (world wide) would see it, or just didn't give a fuck that women in the company would see it.

Some entries I saw were along the lines of:
A) asked (new) girl out at work, rejected
+
1) guess i'll have to wait for the next woman hire
2) your loss/what a bitch
3) i hate myself/why don't women like nice guys like me

It was fucking AWKWARD. I'm not joking either.

 

[Amir0x]

lol, you could take it further and have the equivalent of "why aren't you smiling," like so:

"Why aren't you clenching, madam! It doesn't flatter a lady to relax her buttocks so!"

...man, Butt World would be weird

Butt World is the name of the next game I'm kickstarting! Look for it soon!


"In a world... where trains are crazily out of control... one buttocks will rise to save them all..."

 

[SovereignSnake]

The way people treat these women is really horrible. But I don’t think they have a choice but to grow thicker skin. These people harassing them are not going to stop so the women will have to get tougher. I am not saying that it is something they should get used or it should be that way. I am saying that it is something that is not going to stop overnight. I applaud the real women that fight for equal treatment but because they are fighting, people will come after them. You can’t stand for what you believe in and not expect repercussions, even if you are in the right. I could not give a damn what someone that I never met or seen in my life said about me on the internet. Most of the people that type that sick crap are probably between the ages of 12-19. It’s not good to let stuff like that effect you. And don’t get me wrong sometimes it can, but I just remember that the person on the other side is ignorant. They don’t know you and they are just out to hurt you. The moral of the story is that if you are going to fight for something you have to be tough, or people will get under your skin. Don’t let other people push your buttons. Don’t let ANYONE have control of your self-esteem.

 

[Gbraga]

People are just scum... even if it stops, the bastards will still think it...

Well, fuck them. If they don't have the "power" (I don't know a better way to phrase it right now, sorry) to act on it, let them think whatever bullshit they want.

If there's nothing in place to make women go through shit for being women, let some men be bitter about it, fuck them.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Seems a bit relevant here, and I don't mean to derail off onto another tangent, but we have this whole thread here where we seem to have some nice vibes going and people are trying to understsand eachother, but elsewhere on the forum we have threads like this, where people are evaluating a girl based on their looks, discussing whether they'd "put it in her snatch" and making comments about how many hotter girls you might see at a given college campus. It's all a bit icky.

The bolded is definitely not permissible here.

 

[The Librarian]

The way people treat these women is really horrible. But I don’t think they have a choice but to grow thicker skin. These people harassing them are not going to stop so the women will have to get tougher.

The vast majority of it will stop if we make it socially unacceptable for them to do so. Which is why talking about and encouraging women to come forward is the right thing to do.

 

[licktheenvelope]

Yeah. That's why I think conversations like this can help getting more and more people to look and see what's happening.

Sadly I can only control my actions.

I was pretty vocal during that indie jam where I was not impressed none of the male devs lost it on that marketing manager who was insulting the female dev.

I'm not usually in the situations being mentioned. :\

 

[7DollarHagane]

Seems a bit relevant here, and I don't mean to derail off onto another tangent, but we have this whole thread here where we seem to have some nice vibes going and people are trying to understsand eachother, but elsewhere on the forum we have threads like this, where people are evaluating a girl based on their looks, discussing whether they'd "put it in her snatch" and making comments about how many hotter girls you might see at a given college campus.

Is this permissible or is this just a matter of the police not showing up yet? Honest question. If it's simply a matter of the moderators not being alerted yet, well, sorry to clutter this thread with it.

I think off topic threads about a celebrity and drooling over/criticizing them is not a big deal. She's in the public eye and is popular for both her looks and music. Now if people were doing this about game industry professionals or in the post your significant other threads it would be different.

Someone like taylor swift who is photographed and displayed for her looks is going to get and invite that kind of discussion. A woman coming into work to do a job is not.

 

[Neiteio]

I was a restaurant server back in college. I've always been a really gentle person -- was probably conned recently when I took a man who was probably a gypsy on a $130 shopping spree for his "child" -- and so as a former server I try to offer minimal hassle for those who wait on me. I know they can be having a bad day or not feeling 100%, so I don't expect top-notch service from anyone.

But man, the way some customers will treat their servers. One girl I know used to be a bit on the heavy side back then. She waited on this douchebag, who tried to "impress" his girlfriend by telling the server she looked pregnant.

Think about that for a moment. Aside from the horrible actions of the guy, what does that say about the girl that he thinks that's the way to impress her? He's basically telling his girlfriend in a roundabout way that, "hey baby if you gain X number of pounds I'm totally going to dump ya." Yeah, sounds like true love to me...

 

[RedHotChimiChanga]

Well you might not hear about it because there's lot's of women who don't talk about it or just brush it off.

That could be true, but most of the woman I know in the company are actually in lead roles that definitely have the power to get rid of someone for sexual harassment. Strong personality types.

 

[licktheenvelope]

Question for the women: Does this still happen when other guys are around with you?

Not trying to be an alpha male i'm just curious why i'm not seeing this in public so much.