To add a sense of greater realism through imperfection that is inherent to the technology of our time.
Digital Foundry: Destiny Beta XB1 analysis and PS4 comparison
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To add a sense of greater realism through imperfection that is inherent to the technology of our time.
SniperHunter
Banned
I cancelled my pre-order. I refuse to support develops who pull shit like this.
Or maybe we were (and still are) also busting our asses on every other platform, too, going as far as to deploy patches and updates for graphical issues (and a myriad of others) mid stride during beta to make sure everyone has a great experience, and that we deliver something we're a proud of anywhere we ship Destiny.
That's not the drama you're looking for, but it is the truth. Every platform is different. Each has strengths and we aim to take advantage of ALL THE THINGS.
EDIT: Urk comes through!
Same reason Firefly's director of photography intentionally added more lens flare by trading in expensive camera lenses for cheaper ones: It helped achieve the look he wanted the show to have.
Same reason Firefly's director of photography intentionally added more lens flare by trading in expensive camera lenses for cheaper ones: It helped achieve the look he wanted the show to have.
It's used to try to simulate lenses. I know The Order is using it to make it look like it was filmed with an old timey camera.
This is what I'm talking about here. The game is still beautiful and fun but if the p's match some people flip a 180. Come on man.
Or maybe they accepted a money hat too many and the need to create that content affected the development.
Chobel
Member
I HATE IT.
Makes it look like my tv needs calibrated to fix the stupid blue and red from bleeding around objects. It's like this old ass 480i rear-projection tv we had back in the late 90's. Had to re-calibrate now and then to fix that.
seems reasonable
This is a multiplatform (and cross-gen) game. They obviously had to design it with weaker platforms in mind (Xbox 360, PS3, Xbone). Is it really that surprising to see they could get it to look very similar across all platforms? After all, the goal was parity.
The game looks great on PS3 as well, shadows aside. I guess the gap is closing between PS3 and PS4 too now? lol.
What this proves is that they did well in gimping (hold back, for those of you who don't know what that means) the current gen versions, especially the PS4 version.
The game looks great on PS3 as well, shadows aside. I guess the gap is closing between PS3 and PS4 too now? lol.
What this proves is that they did well in gimping (hold back, for those of you who don't know what that means) the current gen versions, especially the PS4 version.
Portugeezer
Member
With parity, Xbox One owners can feel happy that Bungie are making the most of their console. But PS4 owners have to accept the parity or they are evil fanboys.
We should wait for the final game to be released though, we don't know the full details yet.
We should wait for the final game to be released though, we don't know the full details yet.
Effigenius
Member
No, Hardcore gamers buy both.
They dont have to accept anything. They can choose not to buy it. Nobody was upset with how the game looked until they found out it would look the same on Xbox. That's when people started throwing fits. Don't worry about that. If you like the game buy it, if not, don't.
I totally understand why some people would hate it
Neander
Member
The issue now is, early in this generation the console warlords declared "1080p" as the main point of contention between these two consoles. It's an easy and straight up number. Less means worse. But what they didn't realize, is that in the grand scheme of things, 1080p was probably the easiest thing for Microsoft to overcome. 1080p is not the only metric to judge graphics, but because it was used so much in arguments, now we're left with this bloodbath.
The Lamonster
Member
Yeah, I have been considering the double-dip on this.
Alts are a necessary thing in MMOs after all.
An option to turn it off/on would be great. That way those that like/hate can be happy.
That's just unfair. Using SniperHunter in argument is the NeoGAF equivalent of Godwin's Law.
Everyone should have him on ignore anyway.
1080p on both is not the problem. Bungie developer outright said there's a parity on both versions of the game.
All settings are the same between versions. It's not just the same resolution/framerate.
Psst.
This is the point at which people need to decide between:
A. Believing the Bungie employee telling you that they're going to use each system as best they can
or
B. Believing their own embarrassing conspiracy theory narrative about moneyhats and parity and other such nonsense.
What'll it be, dudes?
See I can understand in the Order a bit since they seem to want to give the impression you're watching a movie while playing a game. It fits even if i don't necessarily like it.
But stuff like Destiny and other games that are meant to be immersive? There's nothing that ruins that the immersion more than by seeing effects that the human eye doesn't
ding ding ding
I think it's because you're wearing a helmet in Destiny and are seeing out through a screen.
Ever notice how a lot of the helmets in Destiny don't have very good visibility? I think the implication is that you're seeing the inside of your character's helmet, which is using a camera to project things onto an internal display.
...Or they just thought it looked cool. It's not like most other games are well known for exactly duplicating the behavior of the human eye, and strict realism isn't a terribly high priority in a game with Moon-wizards and magical golden fire-guns that can be generated out of thin air.
But you must remember that HUD is around the perimeter of the helmet (CA in photographs are visible around the corners) and so it makes sense.
IIRC in BF4 (and 3) the whole lens flare and dirt were made visible even though the protagonist was not wearing goggles.
It's an art direction choice. After all, in all visual mediums the developers seldom go for a visual style that's identical to real world.
C. Ignoring urk's post because most people don't pay attention to him.
robertsan21
Member
Hasn't it been confirmed that bungie went with parity so that users will have the same experience across all platform?
It sucks for sure, lazy and uninspiring. Seeing this is a cross gen game, I don't mind it all that much, but be damned if they try this on other next gen titles that are multiplatform "PS4/One!!
That shit I won't accept!
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
The people act as if the power difference between PS4 and Xbox One is enormous. But this is not the case.
The PS4 has more raw power but the Xbone has some advantages in some areas because of other tech. The power PS4 is used for the higher resolution much more can not be done.
The PS4 has more raw power but the Xbone has some advantages in some areas because of other tech. The power PS4 is used for the higher resolution much more can not be done.
Zombie James
Banned
Can you name some of these advantages?
It doesn't. Architectures are very similar and PS4 has a lot of advantages outside of raw Tflops. On top of that, PS4 is easier to develop for.
What the hell? This line of thinking is more common than I thought. You're playing video games dude. Get a PC if you want the absolute best graphics.
GameAddict411
Member
its both, but the eSRAM more limiting.
Portugeezer
Member
It's not like we just switched console manufactorers and have the same situation. PS3 was arguably more powerful, but it was just a bigger pain for multiplat developers to develop on. I liked having a 360 for multiplatform games.
In this gen, XB1 is clearly less powerful (looking at the numbers and games we have seen) and is also more difficult to develop for. Personally I think MS dropped the ball hard with their consoles hardware to be honest, but they are making some changes in areas where they can to try and make up for it.
Wanting parity between PS4 and XB1 is wanting PS4 hardware to not be fully utilised.
I think he means non horse-power advantages (live, OS, etc) but they he needs to elaborate
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I completely understand this aspect of everything. Microsoft did send the helping hand to get the game where they needed it to be. Nothing is wrong with that. I'm not even arguing that fact either.
What I am getting at is the fact that even if that is the case, we have people talking down people who aren't exactly happy with the idea that the extra resources that come with the system aren't being used. I don't think that isn't a valid criticism. All of the Xbox resources are being used with help, but the other reserves that the PS4 does have that probably doesn't need help to use is what's going on here. Sony does in fact, have a 3rd party relations team that does go out an help. Not sure of they were called upon here but since we don't know that, I can't go in depth.
HHowever, it's not like anyone is saying, well the game is shit because the Xbox version is the same. I think it's more, the game is slightly held back graphically because of that parity, meaning resolution and framerate all aside from that. If there can be extra partials, etc, that can be applied due to that extra resources, why not use it? You clearly don't need Sony to do it, so why not?
Chobel
Member
LOL!!!
I guess that makes a bit more sense then. I haven't played Destiny yet since I thought I'd wait for the full game. And to be fair to Destiny, my point wasn't really about that game specifically but a lot of other games where detail is hidden by unnecessary effects.
It's not that I advocate realism either. I mean one of the main reasons I like Halo and look forward to this is the fact that they are stylised and fantastical. I can look at spells, and weird sci-fi and supernatural effects all the time, but a lens flare or chromatic aberration always breaks whatever immersion i had built up
GoofsterStud
Member
With how close Digital Foundry analysed the parity for the PS3 and PS4 versions. We know this isn't optimized to fully use the PS4. Even the Last of Us remix does more. It is strange that this ran at 900p in the first place. The hud situation is strange though.
Yep, one of those embarrassingly delusional junior comments right here.
pretty sure when people say that they mean the PS3 and 360 versions wouldn't exist either
To me, the CA kind of makes the game more immersive by making the HUD more diegetic, i.e. it actually exists as part of the game world in your character's helmet, rather than just being something that only exists for the convenience of me as a player.
GoofsterStud
Member
Joke post?
There seems to be more blaming on the Xbox One than on the 360/PS3. Think it's a given that the game would look better if it wasn't cross-gen. More power + more time to focus on new consoles.
Ok, you got me. Which post is this a parody of?