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[The Lamonster]

My experience with St. Louis (my parents grew up there, my aunt and uncle still live there) is there is a lot of explicit racism. I'm not exactly sure why, but I can only stomach my uncle for short periods of time because of it.

eh...I've lived here my whole life and I haven't seen it, although I live in the county.

Either way, NO ONE should ever go for a cop's gun. Doesn't matter what color you are.

 

[Toxi]

they're saying he was shot inside a cop car while fighting with the officer

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377

Though I'm not sure how "One shot was fired inside the vehicle." jives w/ multiple gunshot wounds 35 feet away

Also, ever since reading that police grammar article, it really bothers me. "one shot was fired" -- did it fire itself?

Everyone involved in fabricating this blatant lie should be arrested. The cops blocking this shit are just as much part of the problem as the murderous assholes pulling the trigger.

 

[Brakke]

eh...I've lived here my whole life and I haven't seen it, although I live in the county.

You gotta be shitting me. You never heard of the Delmar Divide?

Red is white, blue is black. Start a few blocks south of Delmar at like Skinker, walk even one mile north. Tell me what happens. Learn anything about the city/county governance split. Jesus Christ "I've never seen it".

 

[CountAntonius]

Yes it ended up that way, but the 1st riots started due to the shooting and it spread off from it - all of the riots from that are a direct cause of the police shooting someone (if it hadn't of happened, the riots would never have started).

It was more of a point of people taking to the streets though (which is something the poster said todays society doesn't have what it takes to do), but as said: we don't have loads of armed police over here, so i would hazard a guess that people would be more inclined to do this as there is less fear of being shot.

It happened in the 90's over the Rodney King verdicts. It was terrible. Looting, fires, people being dragged out of their cars and beaten for being white. It did nothing to better society.

 

[The Lamonster]

You gotta be shitting me. You never heard of the Delmar Divide?

Red is white, blue is black. Start a few blocks south of Delmar at like Skinker, walk even one mile north. Tell me what happens. Learn anything about the city/county governance split. Jesus Christ "I've never seen it".

So if all my neighbors are all the same color, we're all racists now? Jesus Christ indeed!

 

[Opto]

Not buying the cops' side of this story at all. Am I to believe the kid really decided to push a cop around. Yeah fuckin' right.

 

[Pelydr]

Not buying the cops' side of this story at all. Am I to believe the kid really decided to push a cop around. Yeah fuckin' right.

Yeah, they are full of shit. And so what if he was pushing back at the cop? That doesn't mean you get to pull out or gun and fucking murder him. There are plenty of ways to restrain someone without automatically going straight to your gun.

 

[Brakke]

So if all my neighbors are all the same color, we're all racists now? Jesus Christ indeed!

St. Louis is one of the most thoroughly segregated cities around. Go into one of those blue areas or look around for black people in the red areas. Why haven't the city and county reconciled yet? Because all the money is in the county and most of the people in the city are poor and black. Engage with your city or don't speak for it.

 

[Jaeger]

So tired of this shit. How are "minorities" free if they can be executed, and then the executioner is put on paid leave, and then vindicated due to lies?

There's no freedom, there.

 

[Big Baybee]

They are going to straight up lie about what happened. Accept it. The people with the power to do something about this will do nothing, and life will go on until the next minority is shot. I'm fed up.

 

[N7Slayer24]

Just straight up BS. My thoughts and feelings go out to the family and friends that have to deal with this senseless crap.

 

[Camp Lo]

They are going to straight up lie about what happened. Accept it. They people with the power to do something about this will do nothing, and life will go on until the next minority is shot. I'm fed up.

I'm interested to see the spin but am I wrong for believing this case being handed off to the sheriff for investigation is a good thing?

Someone in this thread came up with some 'justifications' but which one will they choose.

 

[Jakeh111]

I'm from STL. Glad to see this get more attention. The police are lying their asses off...

 

[Htown]

there was a struggle inside the car, that's how he was shot like ten yards away

okay then

 

[Mr. Patch]

Unarmed black guys always seem to do just enough for cops to shoot them lol

 

[MechaX]

eh...I've lived here my whole life and I haven't seen it, although I live in the county.

Do you live in North County?

 

[timetokill]

So the cops story is that he fought the officers in the car for a gun, and then ran several yards away WITHOUT the gun and they still blew him away?

 

[Psychogoldfish]

So the cops story is that he fought the officers in the car for a gun, and then ran several yards away WITHOUT the gun and they still blew him away?

Hey, don't make them ACTUALLY use logic! They will actually have to THINK about their alibi!

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Hey, don't make them ACTUALLY use logic! They will actually have to THINK about their alibi!

No, it works. There is a fleeing felon rule that allows cops to use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon that could pose a danger to the community in some states.

 

[Psychogoldfish]

No, it works. There is a fleeing felon rule that allows cops to use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon that could pose a danger to the community.

Ok, I didn't know about this. Guess it actually does work.

 

[Angelus Errare]

So the cops story is that he fought the officers in the car for a gun, and then ran several yards away WITHOUT the gun and they still blew him away?

Or to make their lie sound even more crazy.

They put a kid in the back of a squad car, uncuffed (or cuffed); he went for their gun supposedly. As they're tussling the gun goes off hitting the kid. Kid shrugs off the round, knocks the cop out of the way gets out the car and runs away. They then shoot the kid in the back because he's a "felon" who poses a danger to the community because they didn't find a gun on him.

 

[Boke1879]

they're saying he was shot inside a cop car while fighting with the officer

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377



Though I'm not sure how "One shot was fired inside the vehicle." jives w/ multiple gunshot wounds 35 feet away

Also, ever since reading that police grammar article, it really bothers me. "one shot was fired" -- did it fire itself?

Hmmm if he was in the police car. Shouldn't the boy have been handcuffed to prevent that from happening? Something isn't right with this story.

Also I saw the picture on twitter. The boy was dead in the middle of the street. This is a cover up if I've ever seen one.

 

[FeenixRising]

so Anonymous just got involved

 

[Elfforkusu]

You gotta be shitting me. You never heard of the Delmar Divide?

Red is white, blue is black. Start a few blocks south of Delmar at like Skinker, walk even one mile north. Tell me what happens. Learn anything about the city/county governance split. Jesus Christ "I've never seen it".

Huh? It's common for people who live in the suburbs and/or country to stay out there and never venture into the city except for sporting events.

Source: I never visited St Louis city in any non-sport capacity until I got a job downtown. Have lived in the area my whole life, more or less.

Do you live in North County?

Probably means St Louis County, which is basically suburbia to the max.

 

[Camp Lo]

so Anonymous just got involved

That's what's good.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Sheesh, cops were really trigger happy this weekend.

Zero trust in them. Seriously time to retrain police officers. their shoot first policy is some serious bs.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Why does this keep happening

 

[Snkfanatic]

What the fuck...between this and the story of the guy getting killed over a toy gun....ugh

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Why does this keep happening

This case and the other case are markedly different, if the developments are to be believed. The juvenile tried to steal a police officer's service revolver and then tried to flee the scene after failing to get the gun.

 

[gogosox82]

http://i.instagram.com/p/rfxh5glP7W/ - How the kid's mom found out

Absolutely horrible. I just can't anymore. This shit needs to stop

 

[mcfrank]

This case and the other case are markedly different, if the developments are to be believed. The juvenile tried to steal a police officer's service revolver and then tried to flee the scene after failing to get the gun.

So he didn't have a gun? Why shoot then?

 

[Sàmban]

so Anonymous just got involved

oh shit!

This case and the other case are markedly different, if the developments are to be believed. The juvenile tried to steal a police officer's service revolver and then tried to flee the scene after failing to get the gun.

Keep in mind that this is the police's account of events, and it doesn't even make sense. He was either in the car and uncuffed, thereby reaching for the gun...which doesn't make any sense, or he was cuffed at one point...then somehow uncuffed and shot yards away from the car after the struggle...which doesn't make any sense

 

[AlimNassor]

This case and the other case are markedly different, if the developments are to be believed. The juvenile tried to steal a police officer's service revolver and then tried to flee the scene after failing to get the gun.

No he didn't. The Police nabbed him off the street, and he fearing for his life tried to run. They shot him while he ran. He never grabbed a gun thats what the police want you to think. It's a fucking lie and you know it.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

So he didn't have a gun? Why shoot then?

Because of the principal of the fleeing dangerous felon. When you have a person who has just committed a dangerous felony that has escaped from the police, they pose a very, very real danger to the surrounding community. They are fearful, they have just committed something that they will go away for a long, long time for doing. Who knows what they will do to escape. Hold up some nice family in their home and demand an escape plan? Steal a vehicle and drive recklessly down the freeway? We do not know. That is why we have the doctrine that police may use deadly force if there is a fleeing felon that poses a danger to the community.

That danger is heightened when it is a juvenile who doesn't have the same risk balancing skills as an adult felon.

No he didn't. The Police nabbed him off the street, and he fearing for his life tried to run. They shot him while he ran. He never grabbed a gun thats what the police want you to think. It's a fucking lie and you know it.

I said if the accounts are true. I do not know if they are true, and neither do you. It may or may not be true. But if true, the cops were justified. If not true, screw the cops.

 

[The One and Done™]

Oh come on!!!!!!!

 

[DECK'ARD]

Because of the principal of the fleeing dangerous felon. When you have a person who has just committed a dangerous felony that has escaped from the police, they pose a very, very real danger to the surrounding community. They are fearful, they have just committed something that they will go away for a long, long time for doing. Who knows what they will do to escape. Hold up some nice family in their home and demand an escape plan? Steal a vehicle and drive recklessly down the freeway? We do not know. That is why we have the doctrine that police may use deadly force if there is a fleeing felon that poses a danger to the community.

That danger is heightened when it is a juvenile who doesn't have the same risk balancing skills as an adult felon.



I said if the accounts are true. I do not know if they are true, and neither do you. It may or may not be true. But if true, the cops were justified. If not true, screw the cops.

By either account he was unarmed, what danger did he pose while running away to warrant being shot in the back?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I said if the accounts are true. I do not know if they are true, and neither do you. It may or may not be true. But if true, the cops were justified. If not true, screw the cops.

Try discussing a hypothetical that doesn't align with what the police say once in a while if you're trying to appear impartial. You'll get less people assuming you're passively arguing in favor of the killers.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

By either account he was unarmed, what danger did he pose while running away to warrant being shot in the back?

I just explained that. When you have a fleeing felon, they pose a danger to all those around them in terms of taking people hostage, stealing vehicles, going on joy rides on the interstate and causing mayhem. This kid allegedly committed a very real, very dangerous felony. The mindset of a fleeing felon is unpredictable and dangerous. That is why we have the rule. Did he do it? I do not know. I am just explaining that the police do have the authority to shoot a fleeing dangerous felon.

Try discussing a hypothetical that doesn't align with what the police say once in a while if you're trying to appear impartial. You'll get less people assuming you're passively arguing in favor of the killers.

Yeaaah, I do realize that. I mean if someone would give me one I probably would. Unfortunately I am not given much of an opportunity because the pro-cop people aren't as vocal. I would take just as much pleasure in explaining how to sue them through a Bivens action.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Is that as tangential to this story as larceny was to the Wal-Mart one?

 

[vas_a_morir]

so Anonymous just got involved

They are usually all talk, because the reality of what they are threatening can get them in a heap of trouble with federal authorities. Either way, nice sentiment. I just hope the young script-kiddies fully understand the consequences and willingly take the risk/punishment/martyrdom if they should come. I've heard stories about older/more experienced hackers setting up wannabe's as fall-guys before.

 

[benjipwns]

Because of the principal of the fleeing dangerous felon. When you have a person who has just committed a dangerous felony that has escaped from the police, they pose a very, very real danger to the surrounding community. They are fearful, they have just committed something that they will go away for a long, long time for doing. Who knows what they will do to escape. Hold up some nice family in their home and demand an escape plan? Steal a vehicle and drive recklessly down the freeway? We do not know. That is why we have the doctrine that police may use deadly force if there is a fleeing felon that poses a danger to the community.

That danger is heightened when it is a juvenile who doesn't have the same risk balancing skills as an adult felon.

I just explained that. When you have a fleeing felon, they pose a danger to all those around them in terms of taking people hostage, stealing vehicles, going on joy rides on the interstate and causing mayhem.

Wow, soft on crime. Non-felons can do all these things too. It's probably best if police shoot everyone in the back and then put them out of their misery.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Is this correct?

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

Seems quite a reach in this case if so, it's not like he took the gun.

 

[SmokyDave]

so Anonymous just got involved

First time I've seen that 'hands in the air' protest. Powerful shit. That should definitely become a thing because it's such simple, yet arresting imagery.

No, 'arresting' was not a pun.

 

[benjipwns]

Is this correct?



Seems quite a reach in this case if so, it's not like he took the gun.

Yeah, but he could have committed future crimes, so it was justified. Good shoot. Good guys go home safe.

 

[Siegcram]

Is this correct?



Seems quite a reach in this case if so, it's not like he took the gun.

Probable cause means nothing. Especially if the one who could argue against it is dead.

 

[CharminUltra]

At least the cops involved have been punished with paid leave. That'll teach them for sure.

 

[benjipwns]

At least the cops involved have been punished with paid leave. That'll teach them for sure.

They'll have to sit around and think about what they did instead of getting back to doing what they love. Isn't that punishment enough?

 

[theignoramus]

Because of the principal of the fleeing dangerous felon. When you have a person who has just committed a dangerous felony that has escaped from the police, they pose a very, very real danger to the surrounding community. They are fearful, they have just committed something that they will go away for a long, long time for doing. Who knows what they will do to escape. Hold up some nice family in their home and demand an escape plan? Steal a vehicle and drive recklessly down the freeway? We do not know. That is why we have the doctrine that police may use deadly force if there is a fleeing felon that poses a danger to the community.

That danger is heightened when it is a juvenile who doesn't have the same risk balancing skills as an adult felon.



I said if the accounts are true. I do not know if they are true, and neither do you. It may or may not be true. But if true, the cops were justified. If not true, screw the cops.

From the thread on the Walmart shooting

Even knowing the gun wasn't real, they were more than justified in calling the police. Aggravated assault is a thing my friend. If someone came up to me with what looked like a toy gun and pretended to fire (not saying that happened here) I would billy club them.

At least you're fair minded enough to paint us a vivid scenario where the victims are to blame for their own deaths.

 

[Camp Lo]

From the thread on the Walmart shooting



At least you're fair minded enough to paint us a vivid scenario where the victims are to blame for their own deaths.

 

[Mr. Patch]

Seeing Twitter reports of looting, tear gas, dogs attacking kids. Smh