Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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I counted 10 total shots but ya, I think the exact number doesn't really matter.
Why 6 initial shots and then a second volley?
Was that first shot the one that took place by the cop car? If so the following 5 were very close to that first one. Doesn't seem to fit with the pieces of story we've gotten so far.
I don't see how anyone is going to struggle over a gun during 6 rapid fire shots, unless your name is the Flash, or maybe Bruce Lee.
One shot during a scuffle, two maybe before breaking away to run away and surrender or run away and charge like a bull. But half a clip while the kid is going for your gun? I just don't see it.
One shot during a scuffle, two maybe before breaking away to run away and surrender or run away and charge like a bull. But half a clip while the kid is going for your gun? I just don't see it.
Discordian_taco
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I am sure this is always being asked so I apologize but this thread is hard to keep up with...I read the synopsis from vox.com that lead up to the 19th(?). Is there some where I can catch up to everything thats happened since?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Skullface
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Michael Brown's father at his funeral
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How can someone as a father donate to a man for killing another mans son? People protesting for Darren Wilson are so inhumane..
As a father, I feel for Brown's father. As a father, I've donated to Darren Wilson. How you might ask? If my kid was in to some stupid shit and wound up killed by a cop in some confrontation, I'd want answers. But I'd also be aware that my kid might be in the wrong and that might not like the answers I find.
That being said, if Darren Wilson were my son, I'd want him to protect himself while on the job. If accused of wrong doing, I'd want him to get a fair shake.
Nappuccino
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Why did you donate to Darren Wilson? Is he in need of money? This is the thing I'm most confused by regarding those donations.
Skullface
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A good attorney is expensive.
Nappuccino
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Wouldn't the state pay for that?
Might help pay the inevitable civil suit/settlement. I'll laugh if those funds end up being used to pay the Brown family.
At the very least Wilson is collectable now and can't claim poverty.
Skullface
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No, the state likely wouldn't pay for that. Even if the state were to pick up the tab, donations help take burden off of taxpayers that find paying for his defense objectionable.
This makes absolutely no sense. As a father you can put yourself in the shoes of both side's fathers but instead of remaining neutral you side with the guy that can still hug his father? Because hey he's the one that needs the fair shake? Mental gymnastics.
metalslimer
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Ninja Scooter
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are you convinced he hasn't done anything wrong?
Skullface
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If it comes out that Wilson was in the wrong and those funds are relocated to the Brown family, I'd be fine with that.
Nope. The state provided attorneys are not the best for any defense. Usually they prefer accepting a plea bargain to save time and save the state money. They have more cases than time.
Skullface
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I'm not convinced of anything quite yet.
Ninja Scooter
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So why give him money?
Nappuccino
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Fair enough then. I just figured police departments had good lawyers on retainer.
benjipwns
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He's having a 'video chat' with a 'friend'...just doing...normal...whatever you do...
You're convinced enough to donate to the killer. You say there's the possibility were it your son he could have been in the wrong... But the flip side of that is were the cop your son he could have murdered someone in cold blood. You only seemed to have entertained and donated based on one side of things.
Police departments do, officers do not. If that makes sense. Department attorneys are city/state paid top of the line attorneys for civil suits. Criminal attorneys are not paid for by the department. Usually the Union will find an attorney willing to defend officers, but they are mid-tier. Which is good, but not the best.
Most unions offer top notch legal support to their members and I doubt the Police union is any different.
gutter_trash
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Skullface, did you listen to the gun shots audio?
metalslimer
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You do realize the possibility that the money could be used to get a guilty man off as well as an innocent right? It's not a neutral position to donate to him.
Skullface
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Because I believe he may be innocent. With all the media attention, public figures and attention from the federal government, his cost for defense is going to be far above the average Joe's. I want to see that he gets his trial and an adequate defense.
Punchy4486
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Aren't you jumping the gun a bit, since he hasn't even been indicted? Which is the whole point of all the protests?
Skullface
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I did, but I question it's veracity.
Nappuccino
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I understand this sentiment, but I feel like you should donate for both sides to make sure they both get good lawyers for a fair shot. (bear in mind, I don't know if a lawyer offered to come in for Mike Brown at a great discount or something. I feel like I heard that but my brain has been silly lately.)
Do you think the audio was altered, or from a different location/time?
(I'm of the mindset that the audio doesn't wholly prove Officer Wilson as a guilty party. There a lot we don't know without being able to see the event.)
metalslimer
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So why not wait for more evidence before donating?
benjipwns
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He's not an average Joe so his personal costs are going to be practically nil. It's the peasants who have to pay, not the King's Men.
Skullface
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The indictment is coming. If he doesn't get indicted, I'd be kind of pissed. This deserves to go trial, if nothing else then so the Browns get closure.
ElectricBlanketFire
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So you believe Brown deserved it?
Wilson already has a lot more protection than the average Joe just for being a police officer (including potentially a prosecutor on the case who seems, based on numerous past events, to be biased in favour of the police force).
You said that you had to keep in mind that Mike Brown could have been doing something wrong to "justify" the shots, like charging towards the officer...but what about the alternative? Namely, that Wilson may have just murdered a completely innocent man even as he surrendered with his arms in the air? You'd rather donate to a person who could have done that than the family of one who at the very worst - and this is looking rather unlikely given the evidence we have - ran towards an officer and was killed for it?
Skullface
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When ever an officer discharges a fire arm, each bullet needs to be accounted for. I heard 10-11 shots. If it comes out that 10-11 shots were discharged, maybe we have something. This could have been a guy on the phone during the 4th of July for all I know.
Skullface
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Come on now, there's no way you actually think I believe that, certainly not from that post you quoted.
adamsappel
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Just curious as to what crime your kid could commit that you'd be fine with him being killed by a cop as he was apparently surrendering.
ElectricBlanketFire
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If you think Wilson is innocent, what other conclusion can I draw?
That's the implication of your first post, yes.
Paraphrased:
If he were my son he may have had it coming so I gave money to the killer cop because I'm not entertaining the idea that he (brown) didn't do something to warrant getting murdered.
11 shots matches the 10 that the twitters seemed to recall hearing.
I might....but prolly not tho.
I might....but prolly not tho.
Skullface
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You don't know whether or not he was surrendering. No one on this board knows that. But if my kid assaulted an officer and that officer fired on my child, I'd mourn with the force of a million suns. I'd be pissed that the cop used lethal force to defend himself. However, at the same time, I'd have to come to terms with the fact that my kid was stupid enough to assault a police officer and it was brought on by those actions. I'm speaking hypothetically here, I'm not saying this is what happened with Mike Brown.
benjipwns
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The neighbor could have been playing Call of Duty too.
Skullface
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I think Wilson may be innocent. I don't know whether or not he is. Brown may have had it coming. Or he may have begged for his life and Wilson may have killed him cold blood. I don't know these answers and I don't claim to know them.
HerbertFish
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I think it's fair to say you don't know what happened and will wait for more answers. Hell this thread is way way to presumptuous even. I just don't get donating to the officer's campaign.
Did you donate anything to the Brown family during this fit of even handedness? I mean, in a world of waiting for the truth to unfold, you obviously realized Brown could have been innocent too, and that his family would have lots of expenditures and no police union or insurance to help them, right?
Nappuccino
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With echoes like that? The only a movie can capture that kind of effect: Heat.
There will not be a private lawyer for the prosecution. The only time the Brown family would need a lawyer in court is if there is a civil case. That would probably not happen until after a criminal trial.
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