Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

I'm hoping that a few more projectors this year will be 4K spec, and under $10,000. I can get a grey market Sony VW500ES for about $8400, but I'm a bit leery spending that type of cash and have no real warranty to speak of.

So common manufactures, give me something good this year. I need a kick in the pants, to get excited and finish the basement (again).

nib95 said:
Cancelled the order for the 55" and went with the 65" instead. After measuring out the distance I would be from the TV in the new room (it's a pretty large room), realised 55" would actually look too small. Now just need to buy a wall mount for it.

Any you guys would recommend? Thinking about going with this one. £10 cheaper here than it is at Richer Sounds, but still pricey.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310878464037?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Cheesy advert for it here lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkv13h-ppiI
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All the mounts I've used in my new place are Sanus. I'm very happy with the overall quality of the mounts. I've got two tilt and one swivel and tilt.

I say go for it!
 
Unknown Soldier said:
If gaming is your primary objective, and you're going to buy into 4K in the next 2-3 years, then you'll be fine with a 1080p set right now as a filler set until 4K matures more. Probably around when Blu-ray 4K is launched is when 4K will probably pick up, as there is little 4K content right now and not that much reason to buy into 4K unless you just enjoy being an early adopter.

If you do decide to jump into 4K right now, just realize that only Sony offers a 4K Media Player (the FMP-X10) and an actual 4K movie service. Netflix 4K has minimal content to speak of, so if you actually want to watch some 4K content on your TV, you pretty much have to buy a Sony 4K set.
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Well it's decided. I look at TVs all day at my second job and I've come to the conclusion that 4k upscaling is actually pretty decent on the Sony models. I'd really like to see something like MPCHC handle the 4k upscaling, so I could have my beefy video card handle that instead of the processor in the TV. That would be cool, not sure if possible. Anyways, It's come down to the 700B and W950 based off input lag alone, I'm OK with 4k but I'm not going to buy a TV that expensive right now that has 40MS. I'll wait until stuff starts being 4K natively or they figure out the upscale lag increasing problem. So I think I'm going to get the 700B and get my friend to ISF calibrate it.
 
Hurley said:
So I missed the boat on picking up a W900A but I'm thinking of going for the W800B and the low input lag is really appealing. My current tv is a HX800 which I think is from 2010. Just wondering how much of an improvement would the PQ quality be?
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It might be a case of rose-tinted glasses, but as I recall the HX800 was an excellent television and a move to the W800 would likely be more lateral than anything. If I was in your position I wouldn't upgrade unless it was absolutely necessary. The television market is in a constant state of flux, but with the exit of plasma and entrance of OLED we're in one of the most overt transitional phases in quite some time. It's your money, but sitting on the sidelines while the overall viability of 4K/OLED tech becomes more apparent (and cheaper) will be highly advantageous.
 
Mattlikewhoa said:
I'm hoping that a few more projectors this year will be 4K spec, and under $10,000. I can get a grey market Sony VW500ES for about $8400, but I'm a bit leery spending that type of cash and have no real warranty to speak of.

So common manufactures, give me something good this year. I need a kick in the pants, to get excited and finish the basement (again).
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With IFA starting the end of this week and CEDIA next week there's bound to be something announced in that time between the two of them.
 
With adapter issues out of the way, the quest to mount my 55" LCD has reached a new plot point: I can't locate enough wall studs.

1. There's only one point in the wall (a steel beam) that reacts to magnets.

2. Using one of those stud detectors with center finding, I found two studs to the left of the beam and nothing else for 60"+ after.

3. Managed some "guess" holes before my wife started questioning taking apart an apartment wall. No dice. Guess I need professionals on this one...

Good times.
 
Crazymoogle said:
With adapter issues out of the way, the quest to mount my 55" LCD has reached a new plot point: I can't locate enough wall studs.

1. There's only one point in the wall (a steel beam) that reacts to magnets.

2. Using one of those stud detectors with center finding, I found two studs to the left of the beam and nothing else for 60"+ after.

3. Managed some "guess" holes before my wife started questioning taking apart an apartment wall. No dice. Guess I need professionals on this one...

Good times.
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Wall studs are supposed to be 14-16" apart from each other.
Try lighting knocking on the walls to see if you hear a different sound.
http://myoutdoorplans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Installing-the-wall-studs.jpg

If your apartment is missing wall studs, get ready for that son of a bitch to collapse at any moment.
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
Wall studs are supposed to be 14-16" apart from each other.
Try lighting knocking on the walls to see if you hear a different sound.
http://myoutdoorplans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Installing-the-wall-studs.jpg

If your apartment is missing wall studs, get ready for that son of a bitch to collapse at any moment.
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Supposed to be...but could be 24. Or it could be a ridiculous alternate build. Maybe plaster in there somewhere. All 8 test holes failed.

Tap test doesn't sound any different to me and like I said, no magnetic response except for a continuous one (beam, I'm assuming). And a 4ft section where I can't even calibrate the stud detector...
 
Hmm

Sony 55" 700B for $500
or
Sony 55" XBR850 for $1,500

I think the 700B is calling my name. BUT the XBR is 4k and I do have a computer hooked up to the TV which I upgrade the video card often, but it looks like Maxwell might not be able to do 4k at 60fps. I think the 700B is best option for now.
 
hitgirl said:
Hmm

Sony 55" 700B for $500
or
Sony 55" XBR850 for $1,500

I think the 700B is calling my name. BUT the XBR is 4k and I do have a computer hooked up to the TV which I upgrade the video card often, but it looks like Maxwell might not be able to do 4k at 60fps. I think the 700B is best option for now.
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Between those two, the 700B is your best bet. It'll hurt your wallet less, your graphics card will easily feed it 1080p content, and it's a fine TV. Once 4K content becomes more common, then you can pick up a 4K set.
 
I just watched Gravity in 3D on my 65X900A.

Wow.

I mean seriously, wow.

The movie is amazing, but I'm assuming you guys already know that.

I have to admit, I was never a believer in home theater 3D, but this is so close to the cinema 3D experience that I'm starting to understand why they charge so much money for Blu-ray 3D. They really need to protect those 3D movie ticket sales from cannibalization by home theater 3D, especially when you consider just how much the 3D premium is at the theater these days. Even at $30, I pretty much only need to watch Gravity twice before I've covered the cost of the 3D movie ticket.
 
Fuck it.

My ass hurts from sitting on the fence for so long but I finally caved in.

Bought a 51F8500 for 1199 €.
Sounded like a good deal and I got a warranty extension (5yrs) for an additional 45€.
Hope it gets here safe.

Woooooooo
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I just watched Gravity in 3D on my 65X900A.

Wow.

I mean seriously, wow.

The movie is amazing, but I'm assuming you guys already know that.

I have to admit, I was never a believer in home theater 3D, but this is so close to the cinema 3D experience that I'm starting to understand why they charge so much money for Blu-ray 3D. They really need to protect those 3D movie ticket sales from cannibalization by home theater 3D, especially when you consider just how much the 3D premium is at the theater these days. Even at $30, I pretty much only need to watch Gravity twice before I've covered the cost of the 3D movie ticket.
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Wait till you watch Dredd 3D, Tron Legacy:3D, Life of Pi 3D, Metallica: Through the never 3D and especially hand drawn Disney cartoons in 3D. Just...spectacular.
 
hitgirl said:
Hmm

Sony 55" 700B for $500
or
Sony 55" XBR850 for $1,500

I think the 700B is calling my name. BUT the XBR is 4k and I do have a computer hooked up to the TV which I upgrade the video card often, but it looks like Maxwell might not be able to do 4k at 60fps. I think the 700B is best option for now.
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Where did you see that 700B for $500?
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I just watched Gravity in 3D on my 65X900A.

Wow.

I mean seriously, wow.

The movie is amazing, but I'm assuming you guys already know that.

I have to admit, I was never a believer in home theater 3D, but this is so close to the cinema 3D experience that I'm starting to understand why they charge so much money for Blu-ray 3D. They really need to protect those 3D movie ticket sales from cannibalization by home theater 3D, especially when you consider just how much the 3D premium is at the theater these days. Even at $30, I pretty much only need to watch Gravity twice before I've covered the cost of the 3D movie ticket.
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Welcome to the club.

Now try Pacific Rim, Transformers 3, and some CGI.
 
Hey guys, doing some research and have a couple questions:

LED or Plasma (or LCD)? Edge lit LED or full array?

I also saw this Samsung Plasma that was only 720p but said is was 600 HZ. Wat?

Any advice would be appreciated (this will be my primary tv, not just for gaming)
 
Arkos said:
Hey guys, doing some research and have a couple questions:

LED or Plasma (or LCD)? Edge lit LED or full array?

I also saw this Samsung Plasma that was only 720p but said is was 600 HZ. Wat?

Any advice would be appreciated
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Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
 
Hiko said:
Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
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Should have mentioned, looking for 45-55" for $500 or less. I'm not a technophile necessarily, but I do want to make a smart purchase
 
Arkos said:
Should have mentioned, looking for 45-55" for $500 or less. I'm not a technophile necessarily, but I do want to make a smart purchase
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If you want a TV that large for $500, you're gonna end up with crap. Most likely off brand too. Can't say I have any advice other than go to wal-mart or target and see what deals they have.
 
Hiko said:
If you want a TV that large for $500, you're gonna end up with crap. Most likely off brand too. Can't say I have any advice other than go to wal-mart or target and see what deals they have.
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Hmmm. Okay, I wasn't sure about that. How much should I expect for that size tv?
 
Hiko said:
Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
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Best tv on the market ?State of the art ? You're talking about OLED right ?
 
Arkos said:
Should have mentioned, looking for 45-55" for $500 or less. I'm not a technophile necessarily, but I do want to make a smart purchase
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Look for the 51F5300 Samsung Plasma.

Feel like I'm shilling, but I bought one for an extra room and have been really happy with it. You can probably get it for around $550. Great bang for the buck.

Edit: Just a word of warning, screen is reflective so if it's going to be in a bright room consider another set. In a light controlled environment, it's a very good set for the money.
 
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
 
was going to post it here, but seems like you're a neogaf user yourself.
Congrats to your new OLED. 29.6ms is quite a big leap from the last years model (46ms I think).
 
ScepticMatt said:
was going to post it here, but seems like you're a neogaf user yourself.
Congrats to your new OLED. 29.6ms is quite a big leap from the last years model (46ms I think).
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It sure is! I cant wait to until they get alot cheaper so everyone can play games on them... So great!
 
Blackvette94 said:
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
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What was the price?
 
Looks like sony still makes the best 55inch or higher tv's for response time. I want that 950B model got damn. I would easy drop the $1500 for the size and input lag.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I just watched Gravity in 3D on my 65X900A.

Wow.

I mean seriously, wow.

The movie is amazing, but I'm assuming you guys already know that.

I have to admit, I was never a believer in home theater 3D, but this is so close to the cinema 3D experience that I'm starting to understand why they charge so much money for Blu-ray 3D. They really need to protect those 3D movie ticket sales from cannibalization by home theater 3D, especially when you consider just how much the 3D premium is at the theater these days. Even at $30, I pretty much only need to watch Gravity twice before I've covered the cost of the 3D movie ticket.
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Check out Life of Pi and Gatsby. Im convinced everything should be in 3D at this point
 
Hiko said:
Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
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This is the the sort of elitist nonsense that makes me hate plasma owners. Here's the deal from someone who knows more than most:

• Plasma looks better for low-res, SD, shit sources. Garbage in, garbage out. So, because plasma is darker, has dithering, blends the image more, it's basically like analogue sound. It's warmer and makes low-res material look better, because a blended, dull look is the best some sub-HD broadcast of a college football game that no one cares about is going to look.

• There is absolutely no way that plasmas can produce the window effect of new 4K LCDS. When I watch a movie like Pirates 4 on blu-ray in 3D and it upscales it to 4k, it does not look like a blu-ray. It looks so much better. It looks like I'm looking through a window and seeing Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush sitting there, right in my living room.

• Also, it all depends on the source. I just got Directv because my fiancé works for them, and the difference from Time Warner cable is night and day. Everything looks crystal clear, and things like movies on HBO have that window effect and the 4K upscaling is totally noticeable for closeups. Plasmas simply cannot deliver this kind of bright bright with colors that literally pop off the screen. And I've seen all the best plasmas from the old Kuro Elites to the F8500.

Plasmas definitely have a beautiful picture that for some will always provide an organic look that they prefer, but to act like this dying breed is simply better is offensive and ignorant. Until you've seen my 8550 in action running Pacific Rim in 3D with Auto Motion Plus on making the faces look like they are right there and the special effects crystal clear upscaled to 4K, you don't know what you're missing. But keep telling yourself you have a better TV if it makes you feel better. Oh, and I have a beautiful Panasonic Viera that I love and will never get rid of, but it's in the guest room for a reason bro.
 
WheelHoss1 said:
Until you've seen my 8550 in action running Pacific Rim in 3D with Auto Motion Plus on making the faces look like they are right there and the special effects crystal clear upscaled to 4K, you don't know what you're missing.
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Haha oh wow. No thanks bro.
 
WheelHoss1 said:
This is the the sort of elitist nonsense that makes me hate plasma owners. Here's the deal from someone who knows more than most:

• Plasma looks better for low-res, SD, shit sources. Garbage in, garbage out. So, because plasma is darker, has dithering, blends the image more, it's basically like analogue sound. It's warmer and makes low-res material look better, because a blended, dull look is the best some sub-HD broadcast of a college football game that no one cares about is going to look.

• There is absolutely no way that plasmas can produce the window effect of new 4K LCDS. When I watch a movie like Pirates 4 on blu-ray in 3D and it upscales it to 4k, it does not look like a blu-ray. It looks so much better. It looks like I'm looking through a window and seeing Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush sitting there, right in my living room.

• Also, it all depends on the source. I just got Directv because my fiancé works for them, and the difference from Time Warner cable is night and day. Everything looks crystal clear, and things like movies on HBO have that window effect and the 4K upscaling is totally noticeable for closeups. Plasmas simply cannot deliver this kind of bright bright with colors that literally pop off the screen. And I've seen all the best plasmas from the old Kuro Elites to the F8500.

Plasmas definitely have a beautiful picture that for some will always provide an organic look that they prefer, but to act like this dying breed is simply better is offensive and ignorant. Until you've seen my 8550 in action running Pacific Rim in 3D with Auto Motion Plus on making the faces look like they are right there and the special effects crystal clear upscaled to 4K, you don't know what you're missing. But keep telling yourself you have a better TV if it makes you feel better. Oh, and I have a beautiful Panasonic Viera that I love and will never get rid of, but it's in the guest room for a reason bro.
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There's so much horse shit in this post it's unreal. Firstly, when you say window effect, you mean extreme detail and exaggerated definition that we don't actually necessarily even see when we're looking at someone or something in real life unless with very specific and extremely narrow focus. Take a good look at the room you're in right now, you're surroundings etc, what you'll notice is that unless you're focusing on something highly specific and closer to you, it won't replicate that exaggerated hyper detail you're talking about.

Secondly, detail, edge enhancements etc are still only one aspect of picture quality. Your 8550 has a black level of 0.08cd/m2, whilst the best plasma's out there have black levels of 0.003 cd/m2. This may not sound like a lot to the uneducated, but in the real world it's easily noticeably and makes a big difference to overall picture quality and honesty. Not only in terms of black levels and contrast, but colour accuracy too, as the depth of black through to the accuracy of whites, affects the entire colour spectrum. And it's because of this that LED TV's can never truly compete with plasma's on these particular and very important aspects of PQ.

It's also because of this that depending on the size of your screen and viewing distance, 1080p on a plasma TV can actually still be more effective at replicating the "window" effect than a 4K LED TV, irrespective of the resolution difference. Because the plasma TV can still replicate the required level of detail, only with far more accurate black levels, colour accuracy and dynamic range.


And lastly, Auto Motion Plus? Seriously? This is why the TV market is so regressive of late. People all too easily gobbling up whatever shit these manufacturers want to sell them, instead of demanding better with regards to some of the things that actually matter.


Here's a face off hosted by some of the worlds authorities on this stuff, pitting some of the best TV's in the world against each other. Notice that in the final runnings, not a single LED TV is in there…Don't get me wrong, LED TV's can offer phenomenal PQ, but in terms of overall accuracy, black level, colours etc, they still don't compete with the top end plasma's. OLED is the future in this regard, not LED.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm
 
Blackvette94 said:
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
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Congrats on the pickup. I hope lag on the 4K OLED isn't much higher. If it lives up to the hype I might cave.
 
Blackvette94 said:
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
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No shit. Wow. I thought it was nailed at 55ms. I told the LG rep to get that down a bit and I'd buy the TV. I actually sold one of them today, first in the area.

Is there burn in concerns with this TV btw?

4K Input lag will be higher. Up scaling creates input lag.
 
Hiko said:
Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
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Reminds me of those owners that felt 1080p didnt make that much of difference cause their plasmas didnt support it yet.
 
Blackvette94 said:
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
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Does it pass 4:4:4 chroma?
 
Blackvette94 said:
Yes, when HDMI input labeled PC.
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How is the uniformity and the pixel gap / screen door effect? I heard quite a few complaints about grey screen uniformity on the 9800 and am concerned about it on the new model. I also sit very close to the TV and noticed a pretty big pixel gap / prominent screen door effect on the 9800 - not sure if this has improved.
 
Blackvette94 said:
OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro :( Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

So to recap, to get best input lag of 29.6ms on the new LG OLE 55EC9300 is to label HDMI input PC then change picture mode to game.

So I bought the tv, best gaming tv I have ever used, small recap of tvs/ monitors I have/had to compare where I am coming from:

Pioneer Elite Pro1150 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro110 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pr0111 Kuro
Pioneer Elite Pro101 Kuro ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice ( will be selling on ebay)
Sony 52HX909
Sony 34XBR910 (crt)
Sony 24GDMFW900 ( crt)
LG 15EL9000 ( Oled )

This tv is better then all of the above... any questions fire away.

Now to get D-Nice to ISF this OLED ;O
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Guess I'm selling my W900A and getting an OLED going to best buy tomorrow to check it out.
 
nib95 said:
There's so much horse shit in this post it's unreal. Firstly, when you say window effect, you mean extreme detail and exaggerated definition that we don't actually necessarily even see when we're looking at someone or something in real life unless with very specific and extremely narrow focus. Take a good look at the room you're in right now, you're surroundings etc, what you'll notice is that unless you're focusing on something highly specific and closer to you, it won't replicate that exaggerated hyper detail you're talking about.

Secondly, detail, edge enhancements etc are still only one aspect of picture quality. Your 8550 has a black level of 0.08cd/m2, whilst the best plasma's out there have black levels of 0.003 cd/m2. This may not sound like a lot to the uneducated, but in the real world it's easily noticeably and makes a big difference to overall picture quality and honesty. Not only in terms of black levels and contrast, but colour accuracy too, as the depth of black through to the accuracy of whites, affects the entire colour spectrum. And it's because of this that LED TV's can never truly compete with plasma's on these particular and very important aspects of PQ.

It's also because of this that depending on the size of your screen and viewing distance, 1080p on a plasma TV can actually still be more effective at replicating the "window" effect than a 4K LED TV, irrespective of the resolution difference. Because the plasma TV can still replicate the required level of detail, only with far more accurate black levels, colour accuracy and dynamic range.


And lastly, Auto Motion Plus? Seriously? This is why the TV market is so regressive of late. People all too easily gobbling up whatever shit these manufacturers want to sell them, instead of demanding better with regards to some of the things that actually matter.


Here's a face off hosted by some of the worlds authorities on this stuff, pitting some of the best TV's in the world against each other. Notice that in the final runnings, not a single LED TV is in there…Don't get me wrong, LED TV's can offer phenomenal PQ, but in terms of overall accuracy, black level, colours etc, they still don't compete with the top end plasma's. OLED is the future in this regard, not LED.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm
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I got plasma because I watch a lot of SD sources which LCD cant really show anywhere as good (rather laughable) but I am not going to deny that LCD's never looked better.

And I know that every reviewer keeps mentioning how blacks are better on Plasma... and they are. But at the same time, there is no denying that new LCD's have pretty decent black colors these days and those things are really sharp. I dont see Plasma's being as sharp even if reviewers prefer to skip that detail.

So for me, Plasma is still probably the best choice due to the SD but as I sit relatively close to the TV, I would not mind having high end LCD either, it really does look sharper - at least all the ones I saw at demo rooms do.

I am sure that OLED is and will be the best solution in the future, but it is going to be priced way out of my range for quite a while and I gotta say that I liked how my Panny lasts for 10 years without any issues.
 
Logical Disconnect said:
How is the uniformity and the pixel gap / screen door effect? I heard quite a few complaints about grey screen uniformity on the 9800 and am concerned about it on the new model. I also sit very close to the TV and noticed a pretty big pixel gap / prominent screen door effect on the 9800 - not sure if this has improved.
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I to checked out the 9800, it has more issues with grey screen uniformity then the 9300. What type of tv do you use? If its VA LED then you need to know that OLED has much better uniformity on grey screen then VA, much better!!! Just look at the tvs I have/had listed above. This OLED is much better then all of them for uniformity except the Elite and only on grey screen.

How close are you sitting?? The pixel structure is different then lcd/led, its more similar to plasma, sitting 1-2 ft from a 55 inch tv regardless of tech is not ideal.

OverHeat said:
Guess I'm selling my W900A and getting an OLED going to best buy tomorrow to check it out.
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Your gonna love it!!! Just remember to do what I said above to get least amount of lag. I will run new numbers turning off speakers, auto update and motion sensor, I hear that can actually lower lag more.
 
Hiko said:
Plasma has the best picture quality and LCD is really not even close. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Samsung F8500 is currently the best TV on the market. If you can afford it, get it. That's my advice to anyone buying a TV right now. Because plasma will soon be extinct and you will have something that will remain state of the art for years to come.
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New to the thread here....

Been really thinking about jumping on another plasma before they go extinct. I have a higher end 46" Panasonic from 2008 that I love, but I could use a slightly bigger one and LCD and LED don't cut it for me. They just look awful every time I see one, even away from retail show floors.
 
What's it like playing a platformer on a curved screen though? I wish that OLED was flat. A lot of cureved screens got returned during Fifa games because the ball was curving. That LG Oled though does have a much less drastic curve than those Samsungs.
 
Haha you guys are so jealous. Have fun with your dark "accurate" plasmas while I drool over my 8550.

As to gaming, it looks amazing. As in AMAZING. Dark Souls II is upscaling beautiful and looking like the PC screenshots I've seen. And the Last of Us . . .

With Dark Souls, I did notice some lag without Game Mode on. As soon as I turned it on, zero lag. Seemed like the same experience I'm used to with my LN46A650 (meaning I'm owning invaders as usual). Slight degradation in picture quality with Game Mode on, but for games that don't have as much panning of the camera (like Don't Starve), I didn't need Game Mode and it looked beyond amazing.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I just watched Gravity in 3D on my 65X900A.

Wow.

I mean seriously, wow.

The movie is amazing, but I'm assuming you guys already know that.

I have to admit, I was never a believer in home theater 3D, but this is so close to the cinema 3D experience that I'm starting to understand why they charge so much money for Blu-ray 3D. They really need to protect those 3D movie ticket sales from cannibalization by home theater 3D, especially when you consider just how much the 3D premium is at the theater these days. Even at $30, I pretty much only need to watch Gravity twice before I've covered the cost of the 3D movie ticket.
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Now watch Pacific Rim. The 3D will blow your mind.
 
hitgirl said:
What's it like playing a platformer on a curved screen though? I wish that OLED was flat. A lot of cureved screens got returned during Fifa games because the ball was curving. That LG Oled though does have a much less drastic curve than those Samsungs.
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I also have the Samsung 65 H8000 which is curved, it is indeed much more curved then the LG OLED, matter of fact looking straight on the LG OLED doesn't look curved at all. Gaming on it...... it is pure bliss and this is compared to alot of other tvs I have/had.
 
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