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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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Iceternal

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Do you guys think a 780 Ti will be able to max The Witcher 3 at 30+ fps ? ( when I say max, I mean in-game sliders, not downsampling etc )

I've tried and a 780 Ti can't max Witcher 2 at 60 fps locked ( because of Ubersampling)
 

Ravijn

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Preferably no more than £60, I'm in the UK.

But I'm open to spending a bit more if it gets me better quality/size.

Link

If you're just using the drive for storage and not gaming/etc you can always go with one of the WD Green/Blue/Red drives. They should be a little bit cheaper.
 

Wolfie5

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I just saw a sale for a 4820k in a price range close to 4690k. I was planning on maybe buying a 4790k for the new PC, I am planning on getting in a month or two. (Waiting on the new 870/880 series to release.)

How different is it between a 4790k and a 4820k? What would you buy?
 

Ravijn

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Do you guys think a 780 Ti will be able to max The Witcher 3 at 30+ fps ? ( when I say max, I mean in-game sliders, not downsampling etc )

I've tried and a 780 Ti can't max Witcher 2 at 60 fps locked ( because of Ubersampling)

Could be a CPU bottleneck?
 

BraXzy

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Link

If you're just using the drive for storage and not gaming/etc you can always go with one of the WD Green/Blue/Red drives. They should be a little bit cheaper.

I think that's the one I have in at the minute which is currently dying on me :L

I use it for everything besides windows, including gaming and such.
 

Ravijn

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I just saw a sale for a 4820k in a price range close to 4690k. I was planning on maybe buying a 4790k for the new PC, I am planning on getting in a month or two. (Waiting on the new 870/880 series to release.)

How different is it between a 4790k and a 4820k? What would you buy?

Link
 

LilJoka

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How about this - Link


Iirc the greens have worse reliability than the blue. So go for WD Blue or the Seagate posted earlier. If you stop buying from same brands/models due to failures, you'll be out of manufactures very fast. HDDs die it's normal. I like hitachi but I couldn't see a 2TB, but I would buy that instead of any of the above if you can find one for reasonable price.
 

SmartBase

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Do you guys think a 780 Ti will be able to max The Witcher 3 at 30+ fps ? ( when I say max, I mean in-game sliders, not downsampling etc )

I've tried and a 780 Ti can't max Witcher 2 at 60 fps locked ( because of Ubersampling)

I don't get this, you say no downsampling but then you enable something similar yet even more taxing (ubersampling aka supersampling) ? I can't imagine a 780 Ti not maintaining 60FPS in Witcher 2 with ubersampling off.
 

xBladeM6x

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I don't get this, you say no downsampling but then you enable something even more taxing (ubersampling aka supersampling) ? I can't imagine a 780 Ti not maintaining 60FPS with ubersampling off.

My 660 Ti maintains 60 FPS when Ubersampling is off. It's not worth the performance hit.
 

LilJoka

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I just saw a sale for a 4820k in a price range close to 4690k. I was planning on maybe buying a 4790k for the new PC, I am planning on getting in a month or two. (Waiting on the new 870/880 series to release.)

How different is it between a 4790k and a 4820k? What would you buy?

4820K is X79 socket 2011 platform. Buy if you want a 4930k in the future although X99 and 5820k is out, but even more expensive than X79.

4790k is consumer line up, socket 1150 Z97 boards. It's cheaper and enough for gaming.

4820k is running ivy bridge (E) architecture, 4790 is Haswell, 5820k is Haswell (E). Haswell E is very expensive but the 5820k is 6c12t whereas the 4820k is 4c8t.

If you overclock the 4820k a few 100mhz it'll perform as good as the 4790k. But the X79 line will give you opportunity to install a hex core CPU (4930k/3930k) in the future. You'll need 4 sticks of ram minimum for x79 for optimum performance, compared to 2 on the z97 board and 4790k. The X79 parts overclock better as they have soldered cpu heat spreaders, unlike Haswell which uses thermal paste between the die and heat spreader.
 

xBladeM6x

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This is called a Titan Black. Get out your wallet.

They do. It's called a Titan. :)

Edit - Beaten by riflen

I would just hold out and see how the new series of cards compare/compete.


Titan Black - $1,100.
780 Ti 3GB - $720.
780 Ti 6GB Estimated - $770.

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:p
 

xBladeM6x

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60fps 1080p range for several years

That's not going to happen on that budget. Especially if you're talking about playing high end games at Ultra. Even more so if you consider nex-gen games coming out "for several years". Though you could build a decent rig that could come in at High (minus AA) settings for a while to come.


Decent build, but the CPU is bleh. Might want to replace that 770 with a 760 or Radeon R9 280, and use the money on a i5-4670k. Just so that the CPU doesn't bottleneck the GPU.
 

Ravijn

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That one looks better, but I've heard mixed things on green drives?

Stick with the Seagate I linked then. Or try to find a Hitachi in your price range.

If you can afford some how, aim for a Seagate Momentus XT(I believe they are only 1tb though). Those are the drives that I use and have not had one issue with 'em.
 

Rebel Leader

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My computer restarted 2 times.
1. I turn on the computer, all fans turn on and it restarts. No beeps
2. After it starts up there is a screen that says uefi dual bios but sjow nothing else. It restarts. No beeps

Now after that restarts it runs normally, 1 beep and Windows loads

I would post my specs but I am on mobile but I have posted them in this thread before
 

xBladeM6x

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My computer restarted 2 times.
1. I turn on the computer, all fans turn on and it restarts. No beeps
2. After it starts up there is a screen that says uefi dual bios but sjow nothing else. It restarts. No beeps

Now after that restarts it runs normally, 1 beep and Windows loads

I would post my specs but I am on mobile but I have posted them in this thread before
Allow me to post something completely not-helpful but obvious and say it sounds like a motherboard / CPU issue.
 

Wolfie5

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4820K is X79 socket 2011 platform. Buy if you want a 4930k in the future although X99 and 5820k is out, but even more expensive than X79.

4790k is consumer line up, socket 1150 Z97 boards. It's cheaper and enough for gaming.

4820k is running ivy bridge (E) architecture, 4790 is Haswell, 5820k is Haswell (E). Haswell E is very expensive but the 5820k is 6c12t whereas the 4820k is 4c8t.

If you overclock the 4820k a few 100mhz it'll perform as good as the 4790k. But the X79 line will give you opportunity to install a hex core CPU (4930k/3930k) in the future. You'll need 4 sticks of ram minimum for x79 for optimum performance, compared to 2 on the z97 board and 4790k. The X79 parts overclock better as they have soldered cpu heat spreaders, unlike Haswell which uses thermal paste between the die and heat spreader.

I see, thank you for that valuable input. I will go with the 4790k as I had planned before :)
 

BraXzy

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Stick with the Seagate I linked then. Or try to find a Hitachi in your price range.

If you can afford some how, aim for a Seagate Momentus XT(I believe they are only 1tb though). Those are the drives that I use and have not had one issue with 'em.

EDIT: I've gone with the Seagate. It lasted two years so I'm not too fussed if this one gives me another two. I couldn't really stretch for the WD Black as much as I'd have liked to. Thanks for your help :)
 

Iceternal

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I don't get this, you say no downsampling but then you enable something similar yet even more taxing (ubersampling aka supersampling) ? I can't imagine a 780 Ti not maintaining 60FPS in Witcher 2 with ubersampling off.

It's because Ubersampling is an ingame option. I don't really want to fiddle with driver settings etc.

But yeah at 1080p maxed w/ Ubersampling, I get drops to 40s.
 
Hey GAF, my PC GPU has been getting kind of hot lately. It has been running at about 76C on average and that isn't normal (usually 50-60). I have cleaned the dust out a few times in the past few months but it is staying up there. Could there something wrong?

I can get it to about 60 if I have the fans cranked up to 81%

GTX 780 stock cooler.
No OC anymore.
 
That's not going to happen on that budget. Especially if you're talking about playing high end games at Ultra. Even more so if you consider nex-gen games coming out "for several years". Though you could build a decent rig that could come in at High (minus AA) settings for a while to come.

Decent build, but the CPU is bleh. Might want to replace that 770 with a 760 or Radeon R9 280, and use the money on a i5-4670k. Just so that the CPU doesn't bottleneck the GPU.

Great man thanks. Looks like I will stick with that then and do the 770. I'm fine dropping down to High and hitting 30fps for a while I just want something relatively solid for a while.
 

xBladeM6x

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Great man thanks. Looks like I will stick with that then and do the 770. I'm fine dropping down to High and hitting 30fps for a while I just want something relatively solid for a while.

Either way, I'd highly recommend you go with the CPU I recommended. i3's aren't known to be very game friendly when it comes to going under heavy loads, which a 770 would put on it. The i5-4670k is a very nice CPU for only a bit more.
 

Salaadin

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Anything new on the horizon in the GPU space? I have a 660ti thats 2 years old and Im looking around to see if theres a worthwhile upgrade on the market that wont cost me an arm and a leg and Im just not seeing anything THAT great. Im thinking I might just put this idea to rest.
 
Either way, I'd highly recommend you go with the CPU I recommended. i3's aren't known to be very game friendly when it comes to going under heavy loads, which a 770 would put on it. The i5-4670k is a very nice CPU for only a bit more.

Yeah Ill definitely do that. Do you think I could fit it in a relatively small box and not a tower?
 

xBladeM6x

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Anything new on the horizon in the GPU space? I have a 660ti thats 2 years old and Im looking around to see if theres a worthwhile upgrade on the market that wont cost me an arm and a leg and Im just not seeing anything THAT great. Im thinking I might just put this idea to rest.

The 800 (Or 900 if we're to believe rumors) Nvidia series should be releasing soon / in about a month. Likely the flagship (880 / 980) will be $500-600. Depending on your definition of costing an arm and a leg, I'd recommend waiting, or going with a 770 4GB / 780 6GB. I'm in the same boat as you, with a 660 Ti and I'm waiting for the new series.
 

yatesl

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My computer restarted 2 times.
1. I turn on the computer, all fans turn on and it restarts. No beeps
2. After it starts up there is a screen that says uefi dual bios but sjow nothing else. It restarts. No beeps

Now after that restarts it runs normally, 1 beep and Windows loads

I would post my specs but I am on mobile but I have posted them in this thread before

I remember reading something about this recently, but I can't remember where. Make sure your motherboard bios is up to date
 

xBladeM6x

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Thanks so much man this is a huge help.

Yep, it's better to pay a little more now, rather than have an unreliable system later. Though just to be thorough, you should get a second opinion on the parts list, now that I've replaced some of the parts. (CPU, PSU)
 
Anyone?

Hey PCGaf! My brother is looking to build a new gaming desktop as we're preparing to move into a new apartment and he'll finally have room for it. He mainly uses his current laptop to play Dota 2 and some indie games, since other games like Skyrim run like crap on it.

I myself am not too well versed on PC gaming right now, although I have researched it quite a bit in the past. This will be his first time building a PC. Any suggestions and advice you guys have would be greatly appreciated!

- Your Current Specs: He's currently using a laptop for gaming. I don't remember the exact specs.
- Budget: Around $1200, and we live in the US.
- Main Use: Rate 1-5. 5 being Highest: Light Gaming [5], Gaming [5], Emulation (PS2/Wii) [1], Video Editing [1], Streaming games in HD [3], 3D/Model work (and what program) [1], General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) [5].
- Monitor Resolution: He's mainly thinking about 1080p, but might upgrade to 1440p later on. He doesn't currently have a monitor.
- List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: He will be using it mostly for Dota 2 right now, but wants to play other PC exclusives as well (Like StarCraft II). 60+fps is a must, preferrably in Ultra settings.
- Looking to reuse any parts?: Nope.
- When will you build?: He's looking to get it within the next few weeks.
- Will you be overclocking?: Maybe? I'm not quite sure of the advantages of overclocking, the dangers, or what needs to happen for that to work efficiently.
 
Does anyone know how these Sandisk SSDs are? They got 240GB for $100~ on Newegg right now, that's mighty tempting.

Unfortunately, there are no reviews for it on Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._mmc=EMC-GD090114-_-index-_-Item-_-20-173-011

EDIT: Apparently, they only came out a few days ago, hence the no reviews. Hmm...

That's my question as well (see my post above)... there seem to be other SSDs on sale too, but I'm not sure what brands are reliable/recommended here?
 
Okay. I unplugged everything on my pc except the psu, gpu, and cpu. Even took out the ram. And I'm still getting that repeating message and no post to bios. So I think my it's my motherboard. I have a 2500k in there and a psu that's just as old. Everything is 3+ years old so it's probably wise to replace the psu with the motherboard and cpu now. I have a ssd and a gtx 760 that I bought this past april.

My budget is $400 and I need to get a new motherboard, new mobo, and new psu. I have no interest in over clocking and playing games on high and medium are fine for me. (Dota 2, Dark Souls, No Man's Sky, Borderlands 2) Anyone know of some great deals going on for Intel Cou and mobo combos? A 4590 and a h87 were suggested to me before.

Shit. I also need a copy of an OS.
 

Something like this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.66 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($263.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1165.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:31 EDT-0400

Instead of the hybrid you could spend the same amount on a 120GB SSD and buy a normal HDD for storage. 1TBs are going for around $50.

I played some more and came up with this...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.66 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($409.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1271.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:43 EDT-0400

I could go with a cheaper ASRock motherboard and probably bring it down under your limit.
 

xBladeM6x

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Something like this?



Instead of the hybrid you could spend the same amount on a 120GB SSD and buy a normal HDD for storage. 1TBs are going for around $50.

Alternatively, if you're looking for a good Nvidia GPU around the same price, could always go with the 780 6GB.
 
Reposting for new page...


Something like this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.66 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($263.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1165.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:31 EDT-0400

Instead of the hybrid you could spend the same amount on a 120GB SSD and buy a normal HDD for storage. 1TBs are going for around $50.

I played some more and came up with this...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.66 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($409.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1271.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:43 EDT-0400

I could go with a cheaper ASRock motherboard and probably bring it down under your limit.

And here's the build with the 6GB 780.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.66 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 6GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($549.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1411.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 14:50 EDT-0400

Alternatively, if you're looking for a good Nvidia GPU around the same price, could always go with the 780 6GB.
Good point, thanks.
 
Reposting for new page...
Something like this?

Instead of the hybrid you could spend the same amount on a 120GB SSD and buy a normal HDD for storage. 1TBs are going for around $50.

I played some more and came up with this...

I could go with a cheaper ASRock motherboard and probably bring it down under your limit.

And here's the build with the 6GB 780.

Good point, thanks.

Hell, I would put these in the OP if this was my thread. I'm feeling that for people coming to this thread (specially lurkers) 60% of the time, this would be the starting point.
 

MoonGred

Member
So for some reason 3dmark11 isn't fully using my 760, it usually idles around 30 degrees, and caps at 80 when playing bf4 or metro, at that point you can really hear the fan spinning. I've run the benchmark 3 times now each time I get a gpu score of +-3000*,and a max temp of 50degrees. Any ideas what could be causing this? It's just 3dmark that's affected by this, I get my normal performance out of games.

*I've looked up some other people's benchmarks and they all hover around 7500.
 
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