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Mariolee

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Hyped. If S4 is as good as this last season or better, I'll be content.
Kuvira should be a formidable opponent. Metalbending battles ahoy! I wonder how they'll make her trounce the other villains of these past books. Unless of course Zaheer is the main villain again.
 

Hamlet

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Nick really are leak city aren't they. So many leaks throughout korra's run now and hah it was nick themselves who did it this time. You think they would actually check the trailer before airing to see what they put in it.
Here is the leaked video by the way http://dongbufeng.tumblr.com/post/96424813098/merdok1993-nuktuk-lokfanatics-book-3
So looking at those leaks
Sure looks like Kuvira is the villain for Book 4 as expected she sure looks menacing.
 

Nyanmaruz

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I''ll be surprised if Kuvira is a villain, she seems nothing like that from the little scene will saw of her introducing herself to Tonraq.
 

Satch

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Azula, you better get started working on the book 4 thread

knowing nick theyll randomly dump what they have halfway through next month
 
Oh good lord...

Oh man... dem theories were right :O

Finally, a
MAIN female villain in the series

That's not really fair considering Azula was the main villain for seasons 2 and 3 and Ozai only became an actual villain in the last episode. Sure he was the one that needed to be stopped but the opposing force was always Azula and she was still somebody that had to be defeated in the finale as Aang battled Ozai.
 

BorkBork

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It's been awhile.

It...has everything to do with Aang's personal growth. He exercises forgiveness for the person who has hunted and abused him for the vast majority of Aang's journey. Aang originally rebuffs Zuko's offer, but listens to Toph's appeal that he needs a firebending teacher. That is putting his duty over his personal opinion. This culminates in his learning firebending, and eventually lightning redirection, and most importantly gaining a lifelong friend. If not for actions Aang has taken, and decisions he has made within his own agency, he would not have been in the position to learn from Zuko (a character with his own arc that intersects greatly with Aang's). There is much built between him and Zuko that makes the eventual transmission of knowledge more organic, in a manner that the Lion Turtle's was not.

Yeah, I also don’t see the conflict of duty and opinion with Aang and Zuko. Aang never held a deep grudge against Zuko, even after two and a half seasons of being hunted by him. (That was Katara) Aang extended his hand in friendship to Zuko in The Blue Spirit, helped Iroh find him in The Crossroads of Destiny, realized that they’re related spiritually from The Avatar and the Firelord, and in the Western Air Temple, was the second one to accept him after Toph, sympathizing with Zuko through a shared experience with burning another. They become brotherly immediately by the next episode. Aang’s just that type of guy. Very different situation with Ozai, someone Aang has no connections whatsoever with, and has no interest in empathizing with him beyond acknowledging that he has a right to life.

No, Aang held an opinion that might have been virtuous, but was wholly irresponsible in the context it was in. Aang had no reasonable expectation to win that fight against Ozai after he threw away his only legitimate offensive option for the sake of salvaging his conscience. He leveraged the balance of the entire world for his own personal convictions. That is selfish.

What I love about Aang is that beneath his seemingly soft and pacifistic exterior, he is not at all the self-sacrificing type. That’s Katara. Instead, I see him striving to balance the needs of the world and the needs of the self, and finds the only way possible by sticking to his guns (the prerequisite for energybending, before it was FUBARed in Korra, was that the spirit must be unbendable) To lean either way too much, to become overly altruistic or selfish (which are two sides of the same coin) can be a bad thing - again, see Katara.

The being said, killing Ozai is not something Aang is willing to compromise, even at the cost of death and failure, because that core value forms who he is. Is this selfish? Perhaps, but I think it is in line with his character arc. For me, and this is subjective, it is also a positive and noble trait. I’m sure there are many things I will refuse to do, even if it is for the “greater good”, because Veelk spells it out nicely - there are no certainties in life. There are no guarantees that killing Ozai will lead to a better future, but it is guaranteed to lead to a worse Aang.

One of the lessons of TLA is that all you can do is learn about yourself, trust in that, and walk your own path, no matter how difficult it may be. People can tell you what to do and try to help you along the way, but in the end you have to find your own way, even if you make mistakes and fail. Because in the end you have to live with who you choose to be. It’s that way with Zuko, and It’s that way with Aang. Aang chooses that empathy and compassion, and he will stick to that, even if it may mean failure and death.
 

Joeytj

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will she even be main

Yes, because I say so :p

Nah, mostly because
they've never had a main female villain for any of the Avatar books. Azula came closest, but she was still second to Ozai. And Hou-Ting was a sub-villain in Book 3.

Ending Korra's story with her facing off against a female antagonist would be a perfect way to finish the Avatar series for the foreseeable future. Also, earthbenders so far have only ever been secondary villains at the most, never the main one. Makes sense to make the final villain an earthbender.

That's not really fair considering
Azula was the main villain for seasons 2 and 3 and Ozai only became an actual villain in the last episode. Sure he was the one that needed to be stopped but the opposing force was always Azula and she was still somebody that had to be defeated in the finale as Aang battled Ozai
.

Hmm, I'll give you that,
Azula was indeed the main opposing force in Book 2 of ATLA, but siince in LOK, it's a villain per season, Kuvira won't seem like second to anyone, especially since it's the last book and Korra's finally obstacle before her story ends in Book 4. Like the final "boss" in a video game, sort-of
.
 

Wanderer5

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Jeez Season 4 is already almost upon us? So exciting, hope this series will end well.
And course Kuvira was looking to be trouble later on judging from that one scene when she was helping Tonraq. Wonder if she with the RL. And what with a ad for season 3 showing off those scenes of hers.XD
 

Joeytj

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Oh and those spoilers for Book 4 came from the new Book 3 trailer for Nicktoons:

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BorkBork

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To use an analogy, let's look at the Matrix

Morpheus offers Neo a red and blue pill. One allows him to know the truth and get cool reality manipulating powers, but the downside is he has to live in the shithole that is their ship/Zion and know that everything is a lie. The other pill makes him forget everything, but he stays exactly as he is in a somewhat mundane job and boring life.

Then all of a sudden Trinity says there's a purple pill that allows him to get all "The One" powers, while still getting to stay in his quaint world simulation. Basically, he gets superpowers for free. That's basically what the Lionturtle gave Aang

I would actually love to have seen Neo take a third pill and transcend the choices put before him, provided that it worked narratively and thematically with Neo's growth into a self-actualized free agent of change.

I wrote about this third choice in TLA a few years ago. An excerpt:

What is intriguing about the narrative of Avatar is that the ultimate resolution of this American action cartoon lies in growth of Aang as a person. The final battle against the Firelord does not merely tests his fighting prowess, but his moral fortitude.

The central conflict of the finale revolves around Aang’s struggle to reconcile his own values as an Air Nomad and his duties as the Avatar. As a pacifist monk with a deep respect for life, Aang does not want to kill Firelord Ozai even as he threatens to destroy the world. Everyone deems it necessary that the Firelord be killed in retribution for his and his ancestors’ war crimes; even Aang’s friends, including Ozai’s own son, see no other way to secure peace and are dismissive of Aang’s moral dilemma. The Fire Nation, Earth Kingdom, and Water Tribe Avatars before Aang are similarly puzzled by his internal struggle; they advise Aang to take decisive action, mete out justice, and actively end the Fire Nation threat once and for all. Yangchen, a previous Air Nomad Avatar, advocates self-sacrifice as the only path towards fulfilling his Avatar duties:

Aang: Avatar Yangchen, the monks always taught me that all life is sacred. Even the life of the tiniest spider-fly caught in its own web.

Avatar Yangchen: Yes, all life is sacred.

Aang: I know! I’m even a vegetarian. I’ve always tried to solve my problems by being quick or clever and I’ve only had to use violence for necessary defense and I’ve certainly never used it to take a life.

Avatar Yangchen: Avatar Aang, I know that you’re a gentle spirit and the monks have taught you well. But this isn’t about you, this is about the world.

Aang: But the monks taught me that I had to detach myself from the World so my spirit could be free.

Avatar Yangchen: Many great and wise air nomads have detached themselves and achieved spiritual enlightenment but the Avatar can never do it because your sole duty is to the World. Here is my wisdom for you. Selfless duty calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever it takes to protect the world.

While she sympathizes with Aang’s principles, Yangchen ultimately believes that maintaining the balance of the world is paramount, that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the Avatar, and that the end justifies the means. Aang must be the righteous arbiter of justice, acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

But Aang rejects this. He is the Avatar, but the Avatar is not all he is. Being born into a role of power does not rob him of the right to decide what is best. By having the moral courage to stick to his principles of treating all life with respect, he is ultimately able to find an alternative solution to his problem. In doing so, he exemplifies the true nature of the element of air: Freedom. But this freedom is not rooted in escapism or the shirking of his responsibility to the world. Instead, Aang realizes freedom by transcending the false dichotomy of killing another human being or failing his Avatar duties. His approach to his dilemma reminds me of one of my favourite quotes in problem solving:

“To oppose something is to maintain it…you must go somewhere else; you must have another goal; then you walk another road.” (Ursula K. Le Guin, The Left Hand of Darkness)

Like a true Air Nomad, Aang tackles his problem from another angle; he has another goal, and walks another road. He does not seek to destroy his enemy, but rather prevents him from causing further harm. By adhering to his moral code founded on benevolence, compassion, and mercy, he discovers a power unknown to all others before him in the Avatar line. With this power, he is able to strip away Firelord Ozai’s destructive firebending abilities without killing him, thus ending the conflict in his own way.

To walk this third path was neither easy nor safe; Aang consciously puts his own life in extreme peril in order to hold fast to his principles. The final confrontation is animated specifically to depict the battle of wills between Aang and Firelord Ozai. Aang’s moral strength and unbendable spirit, depicted as a purifying blue light, resists and eventually overcomes Ozai’s corrosive soul. By making the difficult choice to stay true to his principles and his cultural teachings, Aang is able to resolve his inner conflict, bring balance to the world, and grow up without losing the qualities that defined him as an individual.

By aligning his values with his actions, Aang was beholden to no one but himself, bringing a dimension of moral authority that is rooted in benevolence, mercy and a deep respect to all life to his position as the Avatar. With this moral authority, he gains legitimacy in the eyes of the world and helps to usher in a new era of peace between the nations. In the real world, a leader who is capable of “walking the talk” in a humble fashion is a rare one, and can play a critical role for inspiring others to realize that a new possibility forward is possible.
 

Blues1990

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She did? Did I miss something? Haven't read the Avatar comics and don't intend to.

''The Promise' focuses on how the Avatar world comes to terms with entering the era of reconstruction, along with how good intentions, adoration, & exotification can still go and inflict harm to others. A Fire Nation colony is due to be returned to the Earth Kingdom as part of peace accords of the 100 Year War, but due to how the Fire Nation occupation has irrevocably changed the city (as well as both it's respective residents of the two nations), and both Aang & Zuko's methods to resolve this conflict are flawed. As a side plot, Aang is also struggling with a fan club that claims they respect him & Air Nomad customs, but have little understanding of it. Being the sole gatekeeper of his lost culture & people, Aang begins to confront his position as the last of the Airbenders. This topic has a big role in 'The Legend of Korra', and it was raised beautifully within the story.

'The Search', on the other-hand, addresses to tie up several loose ends from the ending of the series, specifically what happened to Prince Zuko's mother & how Azula is "recuperating" from her mental breakdown.

Both stories are worth checking out, especially if you are a fan of the original series.
 

Mariolee

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''The Promise' focuses on how the Avatar world comes to terms with entering the era of reconstruction, along with how good intentions, adoration, & exotification can still go and inflict harm to others. A Fire Nation colony is due to be returned to the Earth Kingdom as part of peace accords of the 100 Year War, but due to how the Fire Nation occupation has irrevocably changed the city (as well as both it's respective residents of the two nations), and both Aang & Zuko's methods to resolve this conflict are flawed. As a side plot, Aang is also struggling with a fan club that claims they respect him & Air Nomad customs, but have little understanding of it. Being the sole gatekeeper of his lost culture & people, Aang begins to confront his position as the last of the Airbenders. This topic has a big role in 'The Legend of Korra', and it was raised beautifully within the story.

'The Search', on the other-hand, addresses to tie up several loose ends from the ending of the series, specifically what happened to Prince Zuko's mother & how Azula is "recuperating" from her mental breakdown.

Both stories are worth checking out, especially if you are a fan of the original series.

So.

I shouldn't just wiki it?

Sounds interesting, but I've heard a lot of bad things about it as well especially compared to the OG series.
 

Hamlet

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Bryan went and put this up on his tumblr.
Wonder how far along they are into Book 4 at this point can't be too long now till Book 4 is finished if it is indeed airing in Jan.


"Spent the evening in the mothership with Jeremy Zuckerman."

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/96437092772/spent-the-evening-in-the-mothership-with-jeremy
Amazing Ming-Hua fan art from the Korra Quality tumblr:
Oh and of Kuvira:
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Pretty neat
I can
tell she's up to no good with that smirk.
Hey you're a full member now congrats.
 

Joeytj

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Bryan went and put this up on his tumblr.
Wonder how far along they are into Book 4 at this point can't be too long now till Book 4 is finished if it is indeed airing in Jan.



"Spent the evening in the mothership with Jeremy Zuckerman."

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/96437092772/spent-the-evening-in-the-mothership-with-jeremy


Pretty neat
I can
tell she's up to no good with that smirk.
Hey you're a full member now congrats.

Thanks!

I was excited at first about that pic Bryan posted, but it's just the Mac background XD
 

Blues1990

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So.

I shouldn't just wiki it?

Sounds interesting, but I've heard a lot of bad things about it as well especially compared to the OG series.
In all honesty, it's your call if you want to check it out or not. To be frank, it's a bit of a surprise to me that you had heard mosly bad criticism for both books, as I had heard nothing but good from the reviews, so I had taken the plunge & got the hard cover that collects both stories.
 
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