Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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SneakyStephan
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That sounds like too much work, consoles are so much more convenient.
I just put in the disc of my 60 dollar last of us remastered double dip edition and it just works!
XD
For me, I find that having a midrange PC with an processor with an onboard GPU is enough for me. I've currently got an A10 6800K Black Edition sitting in my current rig and it's good enough to run most of the grand strategy, 4X, and other PC exclusives I'd care to play.
It's slightly aggravating, because my processor slot has been reduced to a legacy slot and the processor/gpu combo is the best I can fit in the slot. I'm going to have to upgrade my mobo before I can fit anything better in it, unless I get a dedicated GPU of some sort. I doubt I will, however.
I doubt I'm ever going to pull the trigger on a full gaming PC simply due to the cost and how quickly the tech becomes outdated for the price, relative to consoles.
My $400 launch PS4 is going to last me another five or six years without the need for upgrades barring some sort of catastrophic failure. I got six years worth of PS+ during a Black Friday deal, so I've basically got an ever-growing library for my PS3 and PS4 for $180.
If I were to build a PC today for $580, there's no way it'd be able to keep up with modern releases for the next four years, let alone six... And that's not including the cost of the OS, cables, controller, etc.
I'd love to have $2000 to splurge on a high-end gaming rig which would run games at ridiculous resolutions and refresh rates with perfect v-sync, 16x AA, downsampled from an even more ridiculous resolution, but honestly, it's a bad investment overall. You're spending premium money for a premium product, yes, but I don't find the premium cost to be worth it for me. Either I'm frontloading on a build which will last a long time, or making smaller upgrades every couple of years to stay relevant.
It's slightly aggravating, because my processor slot has been reduced to a legacy slot and the processor/gpu combo is the best I can fit in the slot. I'm going to have to upgrade my mobo before I can fit anything better in it, unless I get a dedicated GPU of some sort. I doubt I will, however.
I doubt I'm ever going to pull the trigger on a full gaming PC simply due to the cost and how quickly the tech becomes outdated for the price, relative to consoles.
My $400 launch PS4 is going to last me another five or six years without the need for upgrades barring some sort of catastrophic failure. I got six years worth of PS+ during a Black Friday deal, so I've basically got an ever-growing library for my PS3 and PS4 for $180.
If I were to build a PC today for $580, there's no way it'd be able to keep up with modern releases for the next four years, let alone six... And that's not including the cost of the OS, cables, controller, etc.
I'd love to have $2000 to splurge on a high-end gaming rig which would run games at ridiculous resolutions and refresh rates with perfect v-sync, 16x AA, downsampled from an even more ridiculous resolution, but honestly, it's a bad investment overall. You're spending premium money for a premium product, yes, but I don't find the premium cost to be worth it for me. Either I'm frontloading on a build which will last a long time, or making smaller upgrades every couple of years to stay relevant.
Chû Totoro
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I'm in Europe but I've just took prices on the Alienware site. I know I can find way better and cheaper config but I didn't though the gap was that big. It seems I took the worst site possible lol
And regarding the comfort I'm not certain I could have this with a PC (not my place but I have the exact same TV and Home Cinema) :
Now like I said since Sony and Microsoft systems are each gen closer to a PC I may jump in next gen. Also having a defect kinect (new), problems with DVD on Xbox One and not even the same level of multimedia capabilities as I have on my PS3 for both PS4 and Xbox One makes me more and more think that I bought broken PCs in black plastic boxes.
Now even if I'm not the biggest Sony or Microsoft exclusives fan I'm going to miss a lot of them so...
PS : best things on PC imo are the quality of the gaming community (in online multiplayer games), indies, price of games and the fu**ing awesome mods !!!!!
Well.. That's a fine opinion, but; Steam In-Home streaming.., it's pretty damn close to effortless (Of course, only Steam games, and no VR..)
What does how old they are have to do with this matter? You say consoles "get more local co-op games" but PC has objectively so many more already with new games coming all the time. Why wouldn't you want a PC in the living room? That's ridiculous.
So I think you aren't really thinking straight. Local co-op on PC is in fact superior compared to consoles. Especially compared to PS4 and XBONE.
Atraveller
Banned
I believe non-steam shortcuts also works with in-home streaming.
Edit: Guild Wars 2: In-Home Streaming
What about one machine that if something basic break, like HDMI port, You have to pay 60% of its value for repair?
Because, thats my PS3 situation.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Wow really? That's amazing.
Edit: Checked out the video. FOUR WHOLE STEPS!? No thanks.
/s
Well I suppose it comes down to whether you are willing to spend a few minutes to find a solution to an issue (often more difficult with very old niche games and a select few others) or dig out the old console and game if you have functioning ones, or go out and source them... Or buy/wait for the remastered super edition for each platform you move to.. Assuming that remains a trend (since it brings in the money, I'd assume so)
krameriffic
Member
MOBA players aren't the PC master race, they're just assholes. The master race is too busy posting about their expensive video cards and downsampling games from 121423423423x534235342 resolution to actually play video games.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
The only games worth playing on PC are PC exclusives and games with robust mod support. Stuff like Civilization 5 and Fallout/TES. There isn't much of a point in playing something like Assassin's Creed, Battlefield (the newer ones on Frostbite), the Batman games, etc on a PC if you already have a current gen console.
Atraveller
Banned
I beg to differ, multiplatform games are also very good on PC when the developers don't fuck up the ports.
flyinpiranha
Member
i5-4570 - $200
R9 280X - $270
8GB DDr3 - $70
Just priced from Newegg. Now add in other parts:
Mobo - $90 (cheaper one)
650 PSU - $70 (cheapest)
Case - $50 (cheaper one)
$750, don't even have an OS, a S/HDD, Monitor, or KB/M yet, and a disk drive if you need one. Which will all come out to about $500 more.
Even without your "etc ..." ... you got a HELL of a deal for that new stuff 9 months ago. A fantastic deal.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Except for higher framerates, better IQ and variable control schemes. Probably more.
What? Every game You mentioned not only run better on PC, but have additional graphical and gameplay features on PC.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think this is an accurate analysis, for the main reason that after 5 years you probably don't need to build a new PC, just upgrade a few parts. Additionally I don't think you need to spend $1200 to build a PC that plays games properly; $800 should be sufficient if you don't want to splurge.
I've been a console gamer for the past two gens but I've decided to build a PC for this gen instead of going with a PS4. My reasoning was as follows: I would pay $800 up front for a system, which is double what I would pay for a PS4. 4 years of PS+ is $200, which means I only need to save $200 in game purchases over 4 years to justify the cost. With Steam sales that is not going to be difficult at all. Additionally, I would be able to play genres that are not really represented on consoles, such as MOBA, MMO, ARPG, RTS, and TBS games.
krameriffic
Member
I find this extremely unlikely. Right now, the CPU and video card alone will run you $500 on Newegg or Amazon. I don't think you found 8GB of RAM, a case, motherboard and PSU for $100, especially not 9 months ago when these prices were likely all higher.
Unless you're speaking in a currency other than USD.
Same here. Will take some time before I can build my PC or even get my next console.
yongeandcollege
Member
What a terrible sophomoric analogy. Clearly no thought was put into your post.
Jawmuncher
Member
The ease of backwards compatibility is one of my favorite things about PC gaming. With consoles ditching that. Its nice to know what I own will be playable later on without much issue.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
... If you already own a current gen console there isn't much of a point to build a PC to play games like Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, and Batman.
Now if someone asked what the best system would be to play Fallout 4 on, I'd tell them to build a PC because it's bound to have great mod support.
I'm not knocking PC gaming, I built one in the summer of 2012 to play Civ, Fallout/TES, and DayZ. I just don't see a point in upgrading my PSU, CPU, and GPU to play games like Assassin's Creed and Battlefield when I already have a PS4 and all of my friends have a PS4.
I'm running a 6870 and Phenom IIx4 965BE, so I'm pretty low end right now. Not to mention my monitor is only 1600x900.
derExperte
Member
It boggles my mind how people can deal with consoleGAFs bullshit day in, day out that dwarfs everything else (and reached a before never achieved high last year) but PC snobs somewhere on the internet are too much to handle and immediately drag the whole platform down. The hypocrisy is astounding. Also I wouldn't call the same people complaining over and over again evidence, more like self-fulfilling prophecy where they see evil elitists everywhere while behaving exactly the same way themselves. See this thread.
Not if you only own a PS4. And the quality of the available games is a highly contested subject. Yes, it may improve later on but I hear that argument a bit too much these days. Also you now don't have a choice anymore if you want to play online which is bad no matter what.
The PC market is perpetuated by word of mouth and not marketing dollars.
If you aren't in the circles, then you likely won't hear about some of the more compelling titles.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I think that would be a good OT to make for someone with the patience and photoshop skills to make it as fancy as the average AAA OT
Not so much to show console only gamers what they're missing but as a resource for people who just bought a pc.
It would be a lot of work though.
I like not having to worry about how games will perform and if they have any problems or something like that.
If I'm paying a premium I expect the all experience to be better and while PC has some things better it isn't enough to justify the hassle.
I like having a platform that is designed for gaming and takes care of everything for me. And while Steam is doing that for PC gaming is still not as smooth since it has to run on top of Windows.
There's a ton to love on PC gaming (and I have something like 100 steam games) but to invest the money needed I just don't see why I should.
I also like to use a controller and it's much simpler to do that with a PS4 than it is with a PC.
I do miss the dirt cheap indie games (even I still buy them on PC) but with PS+ it helps ease that.
So yeah, I guess those are my reasons.
If I'm paying a premium I expect the all experience to be better and while PC has some things better it isn't enough to justify the hassle.
I like having a platform that is designed for gaming and takes care of everything for me. And while Steam is doing that for PC gaming is still not as smooth since it has to run on top of Windows.
There's a ton to love on PC gaming (and I have something like 100 steam games) but to invest the money needed I just don't see why I should.
I also like to use a controller and it's much simpler to do that with a PS4 than it is with a PC.
I do miss the dirt cheap indie games (even I still buy them on PC) but with PS+ it helps ease that.
So yeah, I guess those are my reasons.
yongeandcollege
Member
I don't see what's so hard to understand. I played plenty of games on PC when I was younger. I no longer want to work with a PC / Mac / Linux when I get home.
This is definitely true. There was a time where I was less interested in PC gaming and as a result missed out on many interesting titles I have been catching on since.
So when someone says "I don't care about PC exclusives" but that person doesn't own a PC themselves. It's always little hard to take seriously. There's no platform owner preaching about the games.
Dictator93
Member
uhh the 8800GTX is a DX10 card.
Chill Penguin
Member
Honestly, i probably would go PC if it wasn't for console exclusives. There's no way i can give up titles like Halo, Destiny, Bloodborne, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, Uncharted, God of War, etc.
Gipsy Danger
Member
This is the hardest thing about being a PC gamer. The fact we don't have companies throwing 500 million dollars of marketing at our favourite games. We have to spread the word as best we can. Because no one else will. Yet we get called elitist dirtbags for it.
I'm saving this post. For future reminder if I can be bothered to get such a thing together.
Atraveller
Banned
Oops, but you know what I mean.
You havent said building PC just for those games, but playing those when You have current gen and PC. There is a big difference.
CyberPunked
Member
I dont think GAF has enough character limit per post for that
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OP never said anything about going exclusive with a platform.
I definitely agree that consoles are more convenient, and also agree that if you happen to like the specific games that are exclusive to consoles (such as Nintendo's games), that's a perfectly valid reason. I also agree that if your friends all play on console, that is itself a reason if you play lots of online games or just want someone to swap games with.
I would point out, however, that a lot of the reasons some people prefer console to PC are the same reasons so many people prefer mobile to console. Mobile is even more convenient than console; it's even cheaper than console, and so forth. It doesn't mean that every console player should suddenly stop what they're doing and run out and put all their money in to iOS -- I just think it's a great example to help people gain a little empathy. If you are sitting there feeling like PC is too expensive and too messy and too much of a hassle to bother with, that's fine. Now imagine someone feeling the exact same way about consoles, and you can imagine why mobile has gotten so popular.
I would point out, however, that a lot of the reasons some people prefer console to PC are the same reasons so many people prefer mobile to console. Mobile is even more convenient than console; it's even cheaper than console, and so forth. It doesn't mean that every console player should suddenly stop what they're doing and run out and put all their money in to iOS -- I just think it's a great example to help people gain a little empathy. If you are sitting there feeling like PC is too expensive and too messy and too much of a hassle to bother with, that's fine. Now imagine someone feeling the exact same way about consoles, and you can imagine why mobile has gotten so popular.
tbf the majority of niche Japanese console exclusive games doesn't have a big marketing budget as well.
I think the PC master race thing is exaggerated. I recently only experienced it when DayZ was announced for PS4 with Cross-Plattform Support. Some users in the DayZ Forums started bashing consoles quite hard but I guess they are not representative for the whole community.
Sanctuary
Member
If you've been following the thread, yeah. That's around the cost of a PC that will clearly outperform a console more than just marginally with the same games. $1200 - $1600 is what you are looking at for such a system. 900p/720p @ 60/30fps vs 1440p @ 60 fps (on average and in many cases much higher) isn't going to be had for much less than $1200.
The whole "$800" gaming PC is such crap unless you're building a new PC a few years (if not more) into the current console generation. Yes, you can build one for that much, but you aren't going to get a gaming PC that is noticeably better outside of maybe FPS at the start. Get real. A good midrange card costs $300 - $400 alone. No, you won't have to upgrade everything and build an entirely new system if you don't want to, but are you seriously going to try holding on to your current motherboard and CPU for another 4+ years? Very doubtful. You can either buy a whole new system at once, or buy those parts in a few more years. Either way, you've spent the money on a new motherboard and CPU.
CitizenCope
Member
1. I've always liked console exclusives.
2. I'm dumb and not willing to learn(convenience).
2. I'm dumb and not willing to learn(convenience).
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I think the quality is contested because they've been giving out indie games on PS4, and some people don't regard them as "real" games.
Regardless of whether you own only a PS4 or not, you can always "buy" the games for the other systems and build a library up in case you eventually get the system. People have done that with Vita.
I do agree that it sucks that the online isn't free any longer. Thanks Microsoft!
The Librarian
Banned
Don't have the money at the moment.
I don't have the patience to research graphic cards and whatever else I might need.
I don't want to have to worry about, or learn, all those settings like FXAA or whatever the fuck they are. I have no interest in, or patience to give to, specs like that.
Just let me put the disc in and play.
I don't have the patience to research graphic cards and whatever else I might need.
I don't want to have to worry about, or learn, all those settings like FXAA or whatever the fuck they are. I have no interest in, or patience to give to, specs like that.
Just let me put the disc in and play.
well i am student and got it the other way around, beacuse of it i gone for laptops
thx to being student i live pretty much on 3 locations all over the week so cariing deskop or even a console would be too much of a hassle and painfull to my back. I am mostly SP gamer , so i dont care much about online.
So i just bought i would say mid-range laptop 1 year ago for 600$ which i need for my studies aswell as for part-time job , and its even capable enough for gaming. Mostly its easy task to do to get all my games uning , with old stuff it takes 5 minutes to find a solution and with newer ones only thing i need is to set the game to use discrete card in control panel. (only exception which had issues from all games i tried is now DR3 , which will get patched soon to support laptop cards). Overall even with mid-range laptop i got more fluid nicer gameplay than i got on consoles that are at my home o at gf's place (even emulated Wii game runs better than on actual Wii) - at its so easy to plug it to gf's TV and plugin 2 controllers and coop is flawless.
Using laptops for games was overall choice of necessity for my current traveling live style, but i guess even without the amout of traveling I have now i would choose the same again, but probably cose to desktops rather than consoles
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Cost to entry is a big hurdle for a lot of people. I have had a solid rig for a while and just was looking to build a new one and the price is still just a bit out of practical reach for me. It just doesn't make sense at this point.
While I agree with the convenience part, a high-end smartphone costs almost as much as a PS4.
But I do play tons of games on mobile, so I ultimately see where you're getting at.
I only just built a gaming rig last month. The reason I held off is that I don't like Windows. For work, Linux is by far the better system for me, I run Linux on all my computers. Now that more games are available for Linux (and many older games run well under wine) I'm starting to play more on PC. I guess I could dual-boot, but then I'd still have to pay for a Windows license. Plus, it's inconvenient.