Why haven't you bought a PC yet?

For me, I actually built my own home PC for video editing. I do a lot of TV, music video, and short film work, and while I'll admit that I've played Gone Home & Max Payne 3 on it... I try not to put too many games on it. I suppose it's a "don't shit where you eat" mentality, and I've always loved the home-console experience in the living room.

To play more games on my PC, I'd need to move it from my office to my living room or make a second PC, and to heck with it. I love my $400 PS4.
 
Minsc said:
Naw, for a laptop, 2K is mid-high end, I'd say over 3000 is excessive (that gets you in to SLI territory with all the bells and whistles).
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SLI in a laptop...goddamnit that's nearing portable heater territory, can't get over the fact that people are willing to spend double if not three times the amount of money for what is essentially less powerful with the only upside being portability.

Just my opinion though, i never once considered PC gaming at another place than my own home (cause i love / prefer own HW / SW setup.) Edit: Maybe i should consider that a downside to this platform? Hmm.
 
Seanspeed said:
That sounds a bit like a chicken and egg problem right there.
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And this sounds like some absurdly unsolicited semantics argument. I don't care what it is, if the games I want aren't on a specific platform, I'm not getting that platform. Not a very complicated issue. Maybe if ever, those games ALL get released on PC, eventually I'll make the shift - but even then it's doubtful with the amount of delays PC releases get, and in some cases it's a straight up mystery - like how MGSV's PC release wasn't even announced upon the announcement of the game and we only found out about it a month ago. No thanks, I'd rather play a video game, not the "wait and see game". That's my opinion of course, but then again, this thread is about why I don't get a gaming PC.

Also, we waited like 2 months for Dark Souls 2 and it was more than worth the wait. Here's how 'slight' the difference was:

And at double the framerate. There's certain waits that can be annoying, but it doesn't happen that often and PC does get the vast majority of console multiplatforms.
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2 months is a long time in my eyes, especially if the game was out everywhere else. Your screenshots and gifs are going to do zero for me, because I don't give a shit about things like that. If the game is unplayable because of framerate issues, then maybe I'd care, but I'll take a platform with stable games that might be slight visual downgrades too if it means said platform gets most of the games I want to play in the first place. Since PC doesn't get those games, AND on top of that gets delayed multiplats - no thanks.
 
antibolo said:
My point still stands, regarding your initial reply to genjiZERO.
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Aside from the two points regarding space and preference to OSX, the remaining points were ignorant. Now don't mistake that as an insult, he's obviously just unaware to the reality of the situation.
 
Nethaniah said:
2K is an excessive amount of money even for a laptop imo.
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My previous laptop I put around $1700 into ($1400 base, and a couple of upgrades).

It would be easy to go well over $2000 on a good laptop build.

Whether or not that's "excessive" depends on one's needs, wants, preferences, and budgets.
 
Minsc said:
Naw, for a laptop, 2K is mid-high end, I'd say over 3000 is excessive (that gets you in to SLI territory with all the bells and whistles).
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i guess for 17" and high end gaming 2K is fine, but i got mine 15" mid-end one last year for around 600bucks and i am still able to play amost anything on medium/high (except for DR3 until they fix laptop GPU support)
 
One important note: it's important for people not to equate "PC gaming" with "Windows gaming" in particular.

Just as an example: if, 10 years from now, Windows has effectively collapsed and some Linux kernel has risen to take its place (let's say, for instance, that Android gradually evolves such that it can operate as a desktop OS as well), I don't think many PC Gamers here will terribly mind.

What defines PC Gaming isn't Windows specifically -- it's openness. Any highly customizable, open platform with no licensing fees qualifies as a "PC." Right now Windows is the platform which fits that description and gets the most support, but it doesn't have to. If Windows falls and another open platform rises to take its place (in terms of support), I won't mind.
 
im also a big fan of boxed copies. and actually like to have a physical collection. download only indie games makes sense on the pc but that doesnt require a powerful machine and i get my indie games fix on vita anyway. pc was a better choice when i was really into mmos, but my interest in those has been brutally murdered by endless stream on copycat games with no depth whatsoever.

my 4 year old pc still works fine for the 12 yo mmo and some adventure games i play on it, upgrading isnt justifiable for me untill it cant even run windows under all that dust.
 
Because I've only recently come into a position to be able to build one after deciding to make the switch over a year ago. Now all that's left is waiting to see what happens with these new cards that are supposed to be announced this month and then I should finally be ordering everything at the end of this month/early October after nailing down some decisions on the build.

It's been a long time coming. I can't wait to feel like I wasted my money for the first month or two as I'll probably have difficulty adjusting to the KB+M.
 
3DimensionalAperture said:
And this sounds like some absurdly unsolicited semantics argument. I don't care what it is, if the games I want aren't on a specific platform, I'm not getting that platform. Not a very complicated issue. Maybe if ever, those games ALL get released on PC, eventually I'll make the shift - but even then it's doubtful with the amount of delays PC releases get, and in some cases it's a straight up mystery - like how MGSV's PC release wasn't even announced upon the announcement of the game and we only found out about it a month ago. No thanks, I'd rather play a video game, not the "wait and see game". That's my opinion of course, but then again, this thread is about why I don't get a gaming PC.
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Its not a semantics argument at all. You say the games you play aren't on PC. Well, maybe if you had a gaming PC, you'd play some of the games on it! Quite easy to write them off when they aren't even available to you.

And again, there's generally not a whole ton of 'wait and see' on PC anymore than its 'wait and see' for consoles getting many of the PC games available.

3DimensionalAperture said:
2 months is a long time in my eyes, especially if the game was out everywhere else. Your screenshots and gifs are going to do zero for me, because I don't give a shit about things like that. If the game is unplayable because of framerate issues, then maybe I'd care, but I'll take a platform with stable games that might be slight visual downgrades too if it means said platform gets most of the games I want to play in the first place. Since PC doesn't get those games, AND on top of that gets delayed multiplats - no thanks.
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Again, that is not a 'slight' downgrade there. I don't know the difference could be much bigger, honestly.

But fair enough on the 'games I want' thing. It sounds like you place a high priority on:

1) Being able to play a game immediately, no matter what it looks like
2) A small selection of certain games that happen to not be on PC

I feel you're trying hard to write off PC a bit, but ok.
 
I would like to get a good gaming rig, but I just can't get afford it right now, hopefully soon though. I did get a laptop that has an 850m so it should run the indie stuff that I really want to play.
 
3DimensionalAperture said:
And this sounds like some absurdly unsolicited semantics argument. I don't care what it is, if the games I want aren't on a specific platform, I'm not getting that platform. Not a very complicated issue. Maybe if ever, those games ALL get released on PC, eventually I'll make the shift - but even then it's doubtful with the amount of delays PC releases get, and in some cases it's a straight up mystery - like how MGSV's PC release wasn't even announced upon the announcement of the game and we only found out about it a month ago. No thanks, I'd rather play a video game, not the "wait and see game". That's my opinion of course, but then again, this thread is about why I don't get a gaming PC.
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There definitely are some delays on PC, but I think the important idea here is that you don't care about the PC-centric franchises in significant part because they've mostly been outside your radar.

One doesn't have a reason to care about Civilization, for instance, if you have never owned/played on a platform that had a mainline entry in the franchise. One doesn't have a reason to enjoy strategy games when the platforms you play have nearly zero strategy games on them, and so forth. The same could be said in reverse, of course: I'm sure there are PC Gamers out there who don't enjoy Japanese games because they've never really been accessible to them.

Essentially, I'm suggesting tastes are mostly acquired. They don't spring out of thin air. You don't have a taste for genres that focus on PC or franchises that are on PC because you've never really had access to them. And I don't think this means you should change, either; if you have grown up with certain franchises and are now invested in them and still love them, more power to you. Play those, and have fun. I'm only trying to show that people's tastes aren't random, and that your tastes have been shaped in large part by the platforms you have gamed on as you've grown up. If you had grown up with a PC in the house but were otherwise the exact same person, I bet your tastes would be notably different, and a lot of the franchises you don't care about right now would be right up your alley.
 
redhood56 said:
I would like to get a good gaming rig, but I just can't get afford it right now, hopefully soon though. I did get a laptop that has an 850m so it should run the indie stuff that I really want to play.
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my gf's 15" laptop with 740M runs pretty much anything on medium and 60fps so 850m will be good enough even for bigger games - not just indies
 
MRORANGE said:
Because I don't want to fall into that crowd of PC fundamentalists who proclaim that the PC is the 2nd coming, it's quite creepy what PC gaming does to you, I think spending that much money has made the PC crowd feel inferior when consoles get all the exclusives on the platform while they have to riddle over a DRM infested maze of hardware problems with shoddy performance. No thanks.
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I just run this through google translate and what I got was "This a condescending broad-stroking antagonistic piece of shit post that should never have been submitted in the first place".

Edit: I've been played..
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Dictator93 said:
Jokes on you for buying a 2k laptop. Seriously, what was in that 2k laptop that jusfied that rather than an 800 USD laptop and a 1200 USD PC?
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So I can get a 15" Macbook pro for less than this? I certainly can't get one for $800, and like I said before I like MacOS and dislike Windows (or frankly other non-MacOSs).

But unfortunately this thread is just like every other thread of the exact same topic. The PCers just sit here and ridicule our frankly reasonable reasons for not wanting to get into PC gaming.

I don't want two computers. I don't have space for it. I want one really good computer, and that computer has to be a Mac laptop.

I also do not like to buy digital games. I think it's important to be able to resell it if I don't want the game anymore. Furthermore, the times I have for gaming are often when I don't have internet access. Not only that, but PC games simply aren't optimised for my computer.

So if companies (particularly Japanese indies) started designing and optimizing games for Macbook pros I'd be all about it. But because they don't, for the reasons I started it's not worth getting into for me.
 
Seanspeed said:
Its not a semantics argument at all. You say the games you play aren't on PC. Well, maybe if you had a gaming PC, you'd play some of the games on it! Quite easy to write them off when they aren't even available to you.
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But I just explained to you that it's an issue of the games I enjoy playing and that I want to play the games I want to play. I have no interest in most PC exclusives. I'm not going to get a platform that runs multiplats better but also doesn't have an enormous amount of titles still. That's kind of insane to me. With my consoles, I can play both the games I like that aren't on PC right now, as well as first party exclusives (most of which I play), and multiplats. I don't care so much about graphics fidelity.


And again, there's generally not a whole ton of 'wait and see' on PC anymore than its 'wait and see' for consoles getting many of the PC games available.
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Maybe for you, but not for me. GTA5 and MGSV are enormous examples of this sort of thing that is enough to never make me want to buy a gaming PC altogether to be honest. GTAV's PC release date STILL doesn't even have a release date - in the elapsed time I have played GTA5 3x as well as a wealth of other games.



But fair enough on the 'games I want' thing. It sounds like you place a high priority on:

1) Being able to play a game immediately, no matter what it looks like
2) A small selection of certain games that happen to not be on PC

I feel you're trying hard to write off PC a bit, but ok.
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It's not a "small selection of certain games" for me, it's essentially the majority of the games I play. And, yes I'd rather play a game when it's out everywhere than wait a couple of months for better textures and frame rates. Now, I get that there are people who have a different opinion and that's fine of course. Play what you want. Go crazy on your PC. I have many friends who are PC only gamers as well. It's just not for me.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
Not comfortable with? If developers want to they can easily region lock their games on Steam. But they don't. It's certainly a moral grey area but they have the opportunity to region lock their games to prevent this. I would say it's no different than used games on consoles but at least the developers get some money from cross-region gifting.
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Didn't realize DRM and region lacks don't cause any backlash or outcry from PC players now.
 
genjiZERO said:
So I can get a 15" Macbook pro for less than this? I certainly can't get one for $800, and like I said before I like MacOS and dislike Windows (or frankly other non-MacOSs).

But unfortunately this thread is just like every other thread of the exact same topic. The PCers just sit here and ridicule our frankly reasonable reasons for not wanting to get into PC gaming.

I don't want two computers. I don't have space for it. I want one really good computer, and that computer has to be a Mac laptop.

I also do not like to buy digital games. I think it's important to be able to resell it if I don't want the game anymore. Furthermore, the times I have for gaming are often when I don't have internet access. Not only that, but PC games simply aren't optimised for my computer.

So if companies (particularly Japanese indies) started designing and optimizing games for Macbook pros I'd be all about it. But because they don't, for the reasons I started it's not worth getting into for me.
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If you come in here immediately assuming that every person speaking well of PC gaming is immediately an elitist and out to shut every one else, you won't actually learn something. Really no point in staying like the last guy that made the same assumptions.
 
genjiZERO said:
I also do not like to buy digital games. I think it's important to be able to resell it if I don't want the game anymore. Furthermore, the times I have for gaming are often when I don't have internet access. Not only that, but PC games simply aren't optimised for my computer.

So if companies (particularly Japanese indies) started designing and optimizing games for Macbook pros I'd be all about it. But because they don't, for the reasons I started it's not worth getting into for me.
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You'd be surprised how many games a Macbook Pro could run. I think around 1/3 of GOG's catalog is Mac compatible, and plenty of Steam and indie games run on OS X. Certainly in the 100s if not 1,000s.

As for buying digital, just buy at a price you don't worry about selling back. If you buy games on sale for $1 or $2 (sometimes you can get ~10 games for $1 from a bundle), you hardly need to worry about selling them.
 
3DimensionalAperture said:
But I just explained to you that it's an issue of the games I enjoy playing and that I want to play the games I want to play. I have no interest in most PC exclusives. I'm not going to get a platform that runs multiplats better but also doesn't have an enormous amount of titles still. That's kind of insane to me. With my consoles, I can play both the games I like that aren't on PC right now, as well as first party exclusives (most of which I play), and multiplats. I don't care so much about graphics fidelity.
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PC does have an enormous amount of games, though.

3DimensionalAperture said:
Maybe for you, but not for me. GTA5 and MGSV are enormous examples of this sort of thing that is enough to never make me want to buy a gaming PC altogether to be honest. GTAV's PC release date STILL doesn't even have a release date - in the elapsed time I have played GTA5 3x as well as a wealth of other games.
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And I've played a shit ton of other games as well. Waiting on GTAV is a bummer for us, I agree, but its not the norm like you're trying to make it sound like. And I have a ridiculous catalogue of games to get through in the meantime. The wait isn't necessarily leaving me high and dry or anything.

3DimensionalAperture said:
It's not a "small selection of certain games" for me, it's essentially the majority of the games I play. And, yes I'd rather play a game when it's out everywhere than wait a couple of months for better textures and frame rates. Now, I get that there are people who have a different opinion and that's fine of course. Play what you want. Go crazy on your PC. I have many friends who are PC only gamers as well. It's just not for me.
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Well yes, it almost certainly has to be a small selection of games, because consoles only have a fairly limited number of games that aren't also on PC.

HellofaMouse said:
3 of my top 5 games of last generation never came to the pc btw. journey/tlou/rdr. (personal opinion ofc)
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Hey, not arguing with that. Also, having a PC doesn't preclude one from also owning a console. ;) I have a PS3, for example.
 
Opiate said:
There definitely are some delays on PC, but I think the important idea here is that you don't care about the PC-centric franchises in significant part because they've mostly been outside your radar.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "they've been outside my radar" - but the bigger issue isn't that I don't care about PC-centric franchises, it's that PC still lacks many franchises that I play.

One doesn't have a reason to care about Civilization, for instance, if you have never owned/played on a platform that had a mainline entry in the franchise. One doesn't have a reason to enjoy strategy games when the platforms you play have nearly zero strategy games on them, and so forth. The same could be said in reverse, of course: I'm sure there are PC Gamers out there who don't enjoy Japanese games because they've never really been accessible to them.
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This is a strawman argument. It assumes I've never touched PC centric genres/titles, and it also assumes that this thread is about how our posts are supposed to advocate objective qualities in PC gaming when that's not the case. I'm stating why I don't get a gaming PC, so I don't really care about what other people play or what games they prefer.

Essentially, I'm suggesting tastes are mostly acquired. They don't spring out of thin air. You don't have a taste for genres that focus on PC or franchises that are on PC because you've never really had access to them. And I don't think this means you should change, either; if you have grown up with certain franchises and are now invested in them and still love them, more power to you. Play those, and have fun. I'm only trying to show that people's tastes aren't random, and that your tastes have been shaped in large part by the platforms you have gamed on as you've grown up. If you had grown up with a PC in the house but were otherwise the exact same person, I bet your tastes would be notably different, and a lot of the franchises you don't care about right now would be right up your alley.
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Again, these responses are supposed to be reflective of our tastes and reasons for why we don't play on PC. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
 
Opiate said:
One important note: it's important for people not to equate "PC gaming" with "Windows gaming" in particular.

Just as an example: if, 10 years from now, Windows has effectively collapsed and some Linux kernel has risen to take its place (let's say, for instance, that Android gradually evolves such that it can operate as a desktop OS as well), I don't think many PC Gamers here will terribly mind.

What defines PC Gaming isn't Windows specifically -- it's openness. Any highly customizable, open platform with no licensing fees qualifies as a "PC." Right now Windows is the platform which fits that description and gets the most support, but it doesn't have to. If Windows falls and another open platform rises to take its place (in terms of support), I won't mind.
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Pretty much. If Linux had support for 100% of the games on Steam I'd switch in an instant. We have no brand loyalty to OS'.
 
Seanspeed said:
PC does have an enormous amount of games, though.
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Totally! And enjoy them! They're not my cup of tea though.


And I've played a shit ton of other games as well. Waiting on GTAV is a bummer for us, I agree, but its not the norm like you're trying to make it sound like. And I have a ridiculous catalogue of games to get through in the meantime. The wait isn't necessarily leaving me high and dry or anything.
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I'm glad you feel that way, but again, it's an issue of agreeing to disagree here.

Well yes, it almost certainly has to be a small selection of games, because consoles only have a fairly limited number of games that aren't also on PC.


Hey, not arguing with that. Also, having a PC doesn't preclude one from also owning a console. ;)
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I guess in the vacuum of games ever released, yes it's a small amount, but 25-30 or so franchises that make up 50-75% of my playtime is enough for me to decide where I want to play.
 
KalBalboa said:
For me, I actually built my own home PC for video editing. I do a lot of TV, music video, and short film work, and while I'll admit that I've played Gone Home & Max Payne 3 on it... I try not to put too many games on it. I suppose it's a "don't shit where you eat" mentality, and I've always loved the home-console experience in the living room.

To play more games on my PC, I'd need to move it from my office to my living room or make a second PC, and to heck with it. I love my $400 PS4.
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That's the way I am. I'm a digital artist by day, so I sit in front of a monitor for 8 hours doing work. When it's leisure time, the last thing I want to do is continue to stare at said monitor for a few more hours. My work computer is my only computer, so I try not to install games on it since it makes me far more productive. TV + consoles is just more sensible for me.
 
Crimsonclaw111 said:
Lol

He's been in my ignore list for ages, he's a jerk.
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Crap.. I just thought of something I should've thought of earlier; if I just responded to your post with this:

"But..but, but what I wrote was sarcasm tooo!!! Hah! How about that yo!"

Then I would look seriously coooooool and all... Instead of the no fun sucker I look like now :-(
 
Atruvius said:
Yup, became a PC gamer a little over 2 years ago and still from time to time I think how buying a gaming PC was the best purchase I have ever done.
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I think it has been about that long for me as well. I went from a rink-a-dink laptop to a gaming laptop. I had to go with that much more expensive option for traveling reasons, but I'm looking forward to building my own gaming tower in the future (with GAF's help hopefully). PC gaming is amazing and I'll say again: It has been one of the outright best decisions I've made in the hobby all these years.
 
i would but i barely have time to play the games i own on console so i don't really need another platform to add titles to the backlog.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
Because it isn't. You pay a premium price for a premium experience. Make it $800 and it can play whatever the hell you want.
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But don't you see? If you just use the keyboard and mouse you have, wires, your tower, RAM, and hard drive from your previous build and whatever copy of Windows you have lying around, it's easy to build a PC for less than $500 which will blow a PS4 or Xbox One out of the water and stay relevant for the next six years!

I just don't get why people think a good PC is so expensive! It's cheap!

/sarcasm
 
Zaku said:
But don't you see? If you just use the keyboard and mouse you have, wires, your tower, RAM, and hard drive from your previous build and whatever copy of Windows you have lying around, it's easy to build a PC for less than $500 which will blow a PS4 or Xbox One out of the water and stay relevant for the next six years!

I just don't get why people think a good PC is so expensive! It's cheap!

/sarcasm
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This comes off incredibly hostile. I told the guy the truth.
 
delta25 said:
Amazing indeed, my problem with star Citizen is I fear that its destine to be the next Crysis, not this this is bad thing in terms of the game itself but more so to do with the fact that its going to take me years and years before I ever have a PC that will be capable of maxing it out. Unfortunately for myself having high standards for PC gaming means that if I cant maxed out with a stable frame rate, I wont even go near it, in till such a time comes when I have the hardware capable.
Now on the other side, I see The order 1886 in all its amazing visual splendor and I know right out of the box I'm getting the the best possible version void of any and possible hardware configs that may yield better results. Its one of the benefits I personally see in console gaming, kind of a one and done deal, which in the PC world isn't always the case.
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Best possible version? It runs at 800p @ 30fps (cinematic according to the devs). Would you prefer the devs limit the highest settings so people can run them more easily? No. That's pointless. Highest settings exist for a reason. They are supposed to be for the very best hardware.
Saying it's the "best possible version" makes no sense, you are being given no choice. Something that you do with PC games.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
This comes off incredibly hostile. I told the guy the truth.
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I'm agreeing with you while mocking the people who call PC gaming cheaper than console gaming. Hence the "/sarcasm" at the bottom of the post.

PC Gaming is fun and looks great, but it comes at a premium cost.
 
SSPssp said:
This is misleading. Nearly all boxed PC games come with codes that can only be used once and cannot be transferred. The disc just saves you download time. If you have slow internet this can be good. If you don't want to go digital in order to sell or trade your games this is worthless.
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Doesn't even save you download time.

Wolfenstein came with 4 DVDs.
Still had to download over 25 gig of the total 40.

But will keep buying them on disk.
I just want to be able to hold my games in my hands.
 
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