Since almost every dev on every console seems to not be implementing it at high-quality settings, I'd imagine it's more likely you're mistaken about the idea of it having no performance cost, considering the modicum of effort it would take to enable.
Digital Foundry: Hands-on with the Forza Horizon 2 demo
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Since almost every dev on every console seems to not be implementing it at high-quality settings, I'd imagine it's more likely you're mistaken about the idea of it having no performance cost, considering the modicum of effort it would take to enable.
Not enough for that game!
shinobi602
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It looks gorgeous on my TV, I agree.
LukasTaves
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Ms guidelines for performance on xbone are actually the opposite. Ms says everything should happen on the esram, and you should use ddr3 as a big cache and the move engines as a way to move data in and out of esram ahead of time.
Most of it is probably NDA'd, but they do have some public patents for streaming systems using pretty much the xbone setup, which gives a better vision on how this scenario could be possible.
But basically, according to Ms, whether it's drawing pixels, or vertex data, or reading data for filtering or shading, or anything really is done faster on esram compared to the main ram.
With the amount of edges that could have ended up looking rough without good IQ, that 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
Favourite gif of the gen so far
And I'm speaking to my arcade gaming self from the 80s: "And then it will be 2014, the framerate in racing games will be..." 80s-self: "...I BET WE WILL RUN AT FUCKING 240FPS WITH ALL 3D AND VR HELMETS." Todays self: "No, but in 2014, half the framerate will be considered as an amazing job and games shall look ok. You can drive off track if you feel like it." 80s-self:"-.'-"
Oh, any details on this? This sounds wrong, especially when dealing with big data but I don't know how the current state of compression techniques and partitioning of data is.
So the move engines are to accelerate the data between esram and ddr3, ok. Still ms puts the memory pyramid upside down, it seems.
Edit: found something on dualshockers, thanks.
With the environment style they went with, things could have ended up looking rough without good IQ. That 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
Did you do any processing on that? Looks damn near real.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Uncompressed textures?
What confuses me is the odd variation in texture sharpness close to the camera here.
Your 80s self would pass out if it saw FH2 in motion on a 1080p set.
Your 80s self would call you a liar for calling real footage a "game", when waking back up.
Dictator93
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Uncompressed textures?
What confuses me is the odd variation in texture sharpness close to the camera here.
That is a lack of AF.
rokkerkory
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With the environment style they went with, things could have ended up looking rough without good IQ. That 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
What is that real? damn
I doubt it very much, AF is AF. There is nothing special about it that would suddenly make it cost 10x more than it does on the PC especially considering how close the consoles are to closed box PC's with a low overhead OS and APIs. That should make it even easier to implement but for some reason devs just are not bothering with it and it is baffling.
That gif turned out great.
The roof camera view is going to be excellent for scenery shots.
Shin-Ra
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But it's at a much less oblique angle than the distant road and there's stripes of sharper/blurrier definition.
But it's at a much less oblique angle than the distant road and there's stripes of sharper/blurrier definition.
Dictator93
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But it's at a much less oblique angle than the distant road and there's stripes of sharper/blurrier definition.
If not no AF, the road could be made in chunks and separetly textured in each chunk. That could be a lower level mip/lod of the texture.
RespectThySole
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Yeah, but it was bundled in Europe and it was also bundled with the Live messenger kit. The initial sales weren't great at all in comparison to previous entries in the series. It was a poor decision by Microsoft to release it so close to Halo 3.
With the environment style they went with, things could have ended up looking rough without good IQ. That 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
This game... This game....
Nice
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
...the possibility didn't even enter my mind.
Sure, and he would then touch the controller and say "Damn, it may look great, but that feels like someone programmed some bubble gum into the physics."
guitarhero
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You want the same graphics difference that there was between arcades and home consoles in the 80s? Sure, just pay eight thousand dollars for custom-made hardware (not the rebuilt PC they use now in arcades) that only plays ten or so games written specifically for it, sucks electricity like a champion and occupies the same size as a small car.
Compared to what? OutRun?
That looks photo realistic.With the environment style they went with, things could have ended up looking rough without good IQ. That 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
they had this stupid orange filter made this game better than it was.
but still, oh my gawd, i fcking loved fh1, i want to play 2, but dont have the money for an x1 ㅠ.ㅠ
It absolutely does at times. Playing the demo gives you a real next-gen 'WOW' feeling.
Well its not technically their 2nd game, Playground games is more or less Blizzard Creations, so they are thoroughbreds in racing games
Do you think the people at all these different development houses are just dumb? I sort of mean that seriously: the lack of AF is pretty common across the board, including titles that are skillfully made in most other technical areas. I'm more inclined to think there's something we don't understand about the implementation that makes it a trade-off, than to think so many people forgot to "flip a switch."
How hard would it be to go back to PGR4 and play it now in 2014....for my sins i never actual got around to playing it!??
Exactly. It's not that they will see this thread and think oh look, the genius at this forum told us what we forgot!
MaulerX
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With the environment style they went with, things could have ended up looking rough without good IQ. That 4xAA makes the valley scenery look fantastic.
While playing there are many times the game looks damn near photorealistic, depending on your camera view. Kudos to the team really.
Do it...it holds up very well and a damn fun game.
dr. apocalipsis
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In fact, I would say that's a trilinear filtering kicking.
What Marlenus have to learn, is that the evidence of his PC forcing AF with minimal performance cost in one game, means nothing on other game, and much less on other platform.
In first place, dedicated logic can be sitting idle on your PC GPU if not AF is used. So activating it could not affect performance at all on a game that wasn't aware that those resources where there to start with. Or your PC can be unbalanced, and some other element (CPU, bus) can be the limiting factor, so going crazy with GPU settings won't affect an already bottlenecked performance.
AFx16 isn't free on any current GPU. It take bandwidth and eat TMU's caches for breakfast.
LowerLevel
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That would explain the lack of AF on the PS4 version of Thief, or the decision to use 900p + 4xMSAA on UFC.
The lack of AF is just stupid. No card since the DDR3 version of the Radeon 5570 has had an issue with 8xAF and even then that card only had a 7 FPS drop in the worst case scenarios. That card also only had 28.6 GB/s of memory bandwidth so it was amazingly slow yet it could handle AF quite well.
Since then AMD have improved bandwidth efficiency in their cards and they have also improved AF performance (both speed and quality).
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Doesn't PS4 have a 50% TMU advantage and I can't see how memory bandwidth is an issue in a game like Strider which is pretty basic looking all-round.
Does the digital foundry article mentions enhancements like the fact that now the reflections are separated from the names over opponent cars?
I noticed this earlier, and the more I play the more I notice stuff.
here's a clip I saved, just watch the opponent car's reflection on my hood
http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...tran&vid=bbf7215f-8477-4497-a06d-d2bee09ae568
I noticed this earlier, and the more I play the more I notice stuff.
here's a clip I saved, just watch the opponent car's reflection on my hood
http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=...tran&vid=bbf7215f-8477-4497-a06d-d2bee09ae568
dr. apocalipsis
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You can't be more wrong.
AF depends of TMUs L1 cache (and that's higher speed than VRAM btw). Trilinear cost double than bilinear, and AF cost as many number of taps x bilinear. And that isn't free by any means, since filtering textures isn't the only thing that a TMU does.
Driveclub isn't open world and is running on better hardware.
inputs and physics run at 240 times per second on fm5 and fh2.
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