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[grap3fruitman]

I love how TV types are like sports teams for some of you guys.

Edit: Uh oh, top of the page. I actually do have a question. Are there any decent quality sets in the ~40" range? Trying to replace an average LCD with burn-in. Would like an upgrade.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

wtf how long did you leave on your TV to get burn in on it.

 

[x3sphere]

The P series does deliver on almost everything else though. I am definitely not going to be an early adopter and can see them being quite cheap in sales however.

It's good for competition that they have entered the market with that lineup.

The P series has rather low input lag from what I read and it looks like one of the best 4K TVs for gaming however they totally blew it with the lack of 4:4:4 color output at 4K/60Hz, you are limited to 4:2:0. Makes it a non-starter for me.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

So, while I was busy despairing over not being able to afford an upgrade to the LG 42" I've got from about five years back, I saw someone mentioned the BenQ W1070 projector. Looking into it, I think I can make that work in the budget I've got, but I've got a couple questions.

First, what should I look for in a screen? It's a relatively small room, only 9' from the wall to the couch, so I'm thinking something in the 80-85" range. I'm also hoping to spend only about $150-200. Is that reasonable?

The room I've got my setup in has decent, but not great light control, though I could probably make it better. My wife and I also like to eat dinner while watching TV, which means having a light on. I know the short throw distance will help, but is there any good way to figure out how badly that will hurt the picture? I'm guessing I should be looking for a gray screen, but I really have no clue what I should be looking for in terms of "gain".

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Sorta Maximus]

I heard of people using drywall and or special paint on the cheap. Good screens should help the picture quality but I don't know the sweet spot for money vs diminishing returns.

That said I'm a huge fan of the Sony HW40ES projector... The reviews on that thing are crazy good.

 

[kinggroin]

So, while I was busy despairing over not being able to afford an upgrade to the LG 42" I've got from about five years back, I saw someone mentioned the BenQ W1070 projector. Looking into it, I think I can make that work in the budget I've got, but I've got a couple questions.

First, what should I look for in a screen? It's a relatively small room, only 9' from the wall to the couch, so I'm thinking something in the 80-85" range. I'm also hoping to spend only about $150-200. Is that reasonable?

The room I've got my setup in has decent, but not great light control, though I could probably make it better. My wife and I also like to eat dinner while watching TV, which means having a light on. I know the short throw distance will help, but is there any good way to figure out how badly that will hurt the picture? I'm guessing I should be looking for a gray screen, but I really have no clue what I should be looking for in terms of "gain".

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It's in the neighborhood of 3000 lumens. The image will be plenty viewable even with lights on, though black levels take a noticeable dent.

Also, its super short throw, so even at 9' you'd get like 150-60"! Keep that in mind when arranging the room to accommodate. You may end up needing a stand at about 3-4" away to get the smaller size you want.

Or you can do like me and set it back towards the wall and use as much of your wall as you can.

With my current setup, at 9.5', I get 178" so a screen was useless. Ended up just getting a mixture for silver screen grey at home depot and using the entire wall.

The results are...well...if you do it right, no one will convince you to go back to FPDs.


Good luck. I can provide sample images of mine if you need.

 

[Sorta Maximus]

37 not "low"

The Samsung H8000 Series is low compared to an average 4K TV with like 80+ ms of input lag and under 40ms of lag is very playable from my research. I doubt most players will notice the 36ms lag (I have the 55" which is one lower, 65" is 37ms) of the Samsung vs the 24ms of the Sony W850B. The Samsung is not pro level for tournents, for that you would need under 20ms of lag. Or better yet a near zero lag PC Display.

I plan on a PC Display as a companion for my serious Fighter or FPS moments, if I ever have them. While it would have been nice to go with the 24ms lag of the Sony W850B, there are too many reports of recent radial banding and the 3D is horrible / pointless on that TV. The Samsung has great 3D and smart functions so it is the better overal option IMHO.

Sony's W950B has 17ms of lag but lacks a good contrast ratio (along with poor 3D as well) and was poorly received this year in the reviews. This is due to a LG IPS panel this year as the Sony W900 last year was leagues better. I get a general sense of budget cuts with Sony's lineup this year, I think their TV division and which panels they use is in transition.

LG's 2014 TVs again mostly use IPS which have mid to high 20's lag, good viewing angles, good 3D, good colors, good smart functions, but with a far inferior contrast ratio. Some say contrast ratio is by far the most important measure for picture quality. I had a 47" IPS LG one time, Batman Begins on Blu-Ray was over taxing its contrast ratio for sure.

Sony is still my go to brand for projectors with the HW40ES which has mid 20's ms of input lag. Nothing touches the Sony for the money on projectors. Of course projectors despite handily beating LCSs on picture quality are more fussy to setup, need ambient light control, use up replaceable yet expensive bulbs over the years, and needs an expensive screen to look the best.

In the end my research did not find the perfect 2014 HDTV, just which compromise you can live with. For great picture quality, Blu-Ray, 3D Blu-Ray, good smart TV functions, non tournament gaming use, and just an overall well rounded TV, get the Samsung UN55H8000. For serious pro tournament level gaming get a super low lag PC monitor. The closest thing to the best of both worlds is the Sony HW40ES projector with mid 20's ms input lag and a killer picture. Sadly the Sony HW40ES was not available at the store I wanted to use the no interest deal at.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

It's in the neighborhood of 3000 lumens. The image will be plenty viewable even with lights on, though black levels take a noticeable dent.

Also, its super short throw, so even at 9' you'd get like 150-60"! Keep that in mind when arranging the room to accommodate. You may end up needing a stand at about 3-4" away to get the smaller size you want.

Are you sure you're thinking of the same projector? According to the BenQ website, it's only 2000 lumens, and a throw distance of 9' gets you 83-108", depending on zoom setting.

With my current setup, at 9.5', I get 178" so a screen was useless. Ended up just getting a mixture for silver screen grey at home depot and using the entire wall.

The results are...well...if you do it right, no one will convince you to go back to FPDs.

My concerns are one, I'm not at all confident I could do it right, and two, my wife and I are thinking about selling the house in the next year or two, and I'd rather not have to deal with putting a ton of effort into painting this on, only to have to repaint over it when we try to sell.

Good luck. I can provide sample images of mine if you need.

If you don't mind, that'd be great. Some pictures I think would go a long way toward getting my wife on board with this.

Edit:

That said I'm a huge fan of the Sony HW40ES projector... The reviews on that thing are crazy good.

While I'm sure that's a nice projector, it blows my budget so far out of the water, I can't even justify it to myself, let alone my wife.

 

[Sorta Maximus]

They say the $2500 Sony HW40ES is basically as good as the previous $4000 model. It's crazy good picture quality with nice input lag, only missing a few minor settings.

 

[TheFurizzlyBear]

Alright guys, my Panasonic Plasma S60 (TC-P50S60) just stopped working on me. I'm very sad cus I liked the tv but its hard to find now and I don't know if I want another with how quickly it stopped working on me (a year and a month...) .

What are some good 50inch tvs somewhere between $500 and $600 dollars these days?

 

[User 479360]

My family's old Samsung LCD is now showing a line of about twenty dead pixels (vertically, a few inches from the middle of the screen). Hopefully they'll go away, but I doubt it.

The same TV glitched and showed pink/purple lines about a year ago. My friend's TV did the same thing, and he bought a new one, but it would do it often and take two tries to turn on, plus ghost.

 

[Van Owen]

Destiny is the worst offender for image retention on my Panasonic plasma so far. Been running the scroll bars every night to try and alleviate the issue...

 

[User 479360]

Destiny is the worst offender for image retention on my Panasonic plasma so far. Been running the scroll bars every night to try and alleviate the issue...

Plasma still has burn-in issues? I thought I heard most of those were resolved.

 

[FairXchange]

Destiny is the worst offender for image retention on my Panasonic plasma so far. Been running the scroll bars every night to try and alleviate the issue...

No burn in on my TCP50S60, play Destiny every day. What model panny are you gaming with?

 

[TURBO1112]

Looking for a gaming TV/monitor for my PS4/Xbone. Right now I have a 42inch LG. NOthing special. I game about 5 feet away. I know, pretty close but its how I like it. Not looking for anything huge, just give or take a few inches from 42. Any suggestions?

 

[mugwhump]

I looked at some monitors in the store. IPS, VA, and PLS all looked about the same to me. LED and TN looked about the same too. do I have pleb eyes


Also what are the odds I can get a 1440p 120hz non-TN monitor next year for < $500?

 

[spwolf]

Sony's W950B has 17ms of lag but lacks a good contrast ratio (along with poor 3D as well) and was poorly received this year in the reviews. This is due to a LG IPS panel this year as the Sony W900 last year was leagues better. I get a general sense of budget cuts with Sony's lineup this year, I think their TV division and which panels they use is in transition.

this is literally the one TV from Sony that reviewed poorly this year, rest of them got stellar reviews.

 

[whitemex88]

Alright guys, my Panasonic Plasma S60 (TC-P50S60) just stopped working on me. I'm very sad cus I liked the tv but its hard to find now and I don't know if I want another with how quickly it stopped working on me (a year and a month...) .

What are some good 50inch tvs somewhere between $500 and $600 dollars these days?

sorry to hear that. my panny plasma crapped out on me about 6 months ago. got it repaired though. cost about $300. i regret nothing

 

[iMax]

Destiny is the worst offender for image retention on my Panasonic plasma so far. Been running the scroll bars every night to try and alleviate the issue...

Is it the markings on the lower left? Yeah, it's hit me too.

 

[Fox1304]

With my current setup, at 9.5', I get 178" so a screen was useless. Ended up just getting a mixture for silver screen grey at home depot and using the entire wall.

The results are...well...if you do it right, no one will convince you to go back to FPDs.


Good luck. I can provide sample images of mine if you need.

I'd love to get pictured too.
I'm getting a new home right now and have in mind eventually painting a wall, but I'me a bit doubtful of the IQ improvement.

 

[lostinblue]

Plasma still has burn-in issues? I thought I heard most of those were resolved.

Image Retention is part of the plasma tech, can't be totally defeated. It can be a non factor though, change channel after hours of showing a still image, wait 1 minute and it's gone, kind of thing.

It progressing to Burn-in (permanent IR) though, is very unlikely.

Every plasma is more prone to it in it's first hours, which is one of the reasons people used to do the break-in.

Destiny is the worst offender for image retention on my Panasonic plasma so far. Been running the scroll bars every night to try and alleviate the issue...

Lower the contrast and brightness and make sure you have Pixel Orbiter On if you didn't.

Alright guys, my Panasonic Plasma S60 (TC-P50S60) just stopped working on me. I'm very sad cus I liked the tv but its hard to find now and I don't know if I want another with how quickly it stopped working on me (a year and a month...) .

What are some good 50inch tvs somewhere between $500 and $600 dollars these days?

Repair it, the plasma panel went nowhere, that's probably the A-Board going apeshit. It gives you 7 LED flashes on the TV when you try to plug it on, no?

You won't get a better TV for less than a lot more than it originally cost you.

 

[hitgirl]

Oh, here's the ISF calibration for my 700b

Custom
Warm2
Gamma 0
Backlight 7
Brightness 50
Sharpness 50
Color 50
Contrast 88
Tint 0
Red -3
Green -1
Blue -1
Red 0
Green 0
Blue -1

Then literally everything set to "Off" on both Picture and power options hidden in the app menu.

 

[ParityBit]

D-e-d ..... Dead TV.

So my office 46 inch TV (Samsung TL-T4671FX) Just crapped the bed. I tried changing cable boxes and all wires.

I am in the market for a new LED LCD which in in the range of 500 bucks, 40-50 inches. I just this for watching sports and playing the off video game when I loose the right to my living room (i.e. Wife or kid gets the TV).

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

[Vizzeh]

With Sony seemingly back in the OLED game, hopefully they will put their low latency input lag brains to the mix and make me my dream buttery smooth, responsive, fast release pixel TV with deep blacks, vibrant colours

Hopefully the OLED 2015 Range will be epic. Just a few more months..

 

[hitgirl]

With Sony seemingly back in the OLED game, hopefully they will put their low latency input lag brains to the mix and make me my dream buttery smooth, responsive, fast release pixel TV with deep blacks, vibrant colours

Hopefully the OLED 2015 Range will be epic. Just a few more months..

That would be awesome. I like my sony but I'm done with LED unless they do away with edge lit and get something else, I really like that LG TV. Brought in a usb stick to work and played some movies off it and watched some football games off it.

 

[FairXchange]

Alright guys, my Panasonic Plasma S60 (TC-P50S60) just stopped working on me. I'm very sad cus I liked the tv but its hard to find now and I don't know if I want another with how quickly it stopped working on me (a year and a month...) .

What are some good 50inch tvs somewhere between $500 and $600 dollars these days?

That breaks my heart to hear. I would be distraught if my S60 broke on me, but I would do everything in my power to repair it rather than buy a more expensive and inferior TV. The S60 is simply awesome.

 

[Babymario26]

is the VIZIO E400I-B2 40" good? the review ive seen on websites are everywhere. I just dont wanna waste my money.

 

[TonberrysKnife]

So, I have a Panasonic TC-P60S60. Occasionally, it has burn in if I play Mahvel or anything with a HUD with it for a while. Any thoughts on lessening this?

 

[Haint]

Alright guys, my Panasonic Plasma S60 (TC-P50S60) just stopped working on me. I'm very sad cus I liked the tv but its hard to find now and I don't know if I want another with how quickly it stopped working on me (a year and a month...) .

What are some good 50inch tvs somewhere between $500 and $600 dollars these days?

If you purchased on a Credit Card, a lot of them automatically extend the warranty for an additional year. If you purchased with cash or a card that doesn't extend the warranty, call Panasonic. Being 1 month out of warranty ask them if there's anything they can do to earn your future business and recommendation. They will escalate your claim to an approval department and most likely pay all or 50%+ of the repair bill. Actually if it's really only one month, they may not even make you jump through those hoops and just file it as as covered under warranty outright. Pretty much every major and trusted brand has a common sense warranty extension policy in place if you explain it's only x-months out of warranty and ask what they're able to do to earn your future business and recommendations.

P.S. you should really get a credit card that extends the warranty.

 

[Lord Error]

OK guys! Went to Best Buy to test the new LG Oled 55EC9300, brought my Leo Bodnar input lag tester, in normal mode it got 119ms.

I then took the tv out of store mode and into home mode, labeled HDMI input to PC and used standard picture mode and got 40.9ms.

Then also changed the picture mode from standard to Game mode and got the below 29.6ms!!!!!!

image by CoolHandsM3, on Flickr!!!


Guys, my Elite Kuro gets 41.2ms in PC mode, best it can do, this LG oled just destroyed my Kuro Blacks are infinitely better on the Oled and the input lag is much less.

Must have gaming tv of the year IMHO.

I saw this TV in the store today, and was astounded by it. Made every other display around it look like it was from stone ages, even if they had higher resolution. I read that this TV might have some issues with motion resolution as it doesn't have black frame strobing. That that's apparently its flaw compared to plasma TVs where the motion resolution is higher. Then again plasmas have those green trails which IMO probably negate the motion resolution advantage to some degree. How's your experience with this, and the TV in general now after about a month of owning it? Did you try playing some hectic 60FPS games on it (something like Resogun) and does anything appear blury? Does it bother you that the full screen white color appears dimmed due to that power saving circuitry? Do you like using the wiimote-like remote? How's the motion interpolation compared to top end models from other manufacturers (especially for CG movies, where IMO motion interpolation works the best)? How's the 3D? Does the passive nature of 3D implementaion lower the resolution too visibly?

I can't believe that I'm considering dropping a four freaking thousand dollars on a TV.

 

[ParityBit]

I am kind of having analysis paralysis. The latest TV I am looking at for my office (See post above for info) I am looking at the VIZIO E500i-B1. Is this TV good for my needs, or should I look elsewhere?

Edit: Or how about this one? Samsung H6350 LED TV?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

With Sony seemingly back in the OLED game, hopefully they will put their low latency input lag brains to the mix and make me my dream buttery smooth, responsive, fast release pixel TV with deep blacks, vibrant colours

Hopefully the OLED 2015 Range will be epic. Just a few more months..

If Sony and Panasonic are actually going to just buy OLED panels from LG, their TVs will have exactly the same benefits and drawbacks as the LG TVs.

Unfortunately neither Sony nor Panasonic have the kind of finances needed to research a consumer version of Sony's professional OLED panels, so they're kinda fucked. And here we are, relying on the Koreans for this technology to reach mass production.

 

[hitgirl]

So after a few weeks of owning a TV that's ISF calibrated I was messing around with the settings and turning some motion smoothing now. Even when it's on standard it looks fake / weird. It's sort of depressing that we pay for these TVs with fast cores to do all the dynamic changes and motion smoothing, yet it looks better off.

 

[j0hnnix]

I'm so excited, I'm getting my samsung 65 un65h6203 today!

 

[Monty Mole]

It's unbelievable that after the long wait for OLED to become affordable, all the OLED TVs that have launched have abysmal input lag. Lame.

So glad I got my incredible VT65 last year, that'll keep me going for a good few years until something better eventually comes along.

 

[AlimNassor]

It's unbelievable that after the long wait for OLED to become affordable, all the OLED TVs that have launched have abysmal input lag. Lame.

So glad I got my incredible VT65 last year, that'll keep me going for a good few years until something better eventually comes along.

LGs OLEDs don't. I've heard good things about it.

 

[theSlacker]

It's unbelievable that after the long wait for OLED to become affordable, all the OLED TVs that have launched have abysmal input lag. Lame.

So glad I got my incredible VT65 last year, that'll keep me going for a good few years until something better eventually comes along.

OLED is still too new for me to put much thought into.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

So after a few weeks of owning a TV that's ISF calibrated I was messing around with the settings and turning some motion smoothing now. Even when it's on standard it looks fake / weird. It's sort of depressing that we pay for these TVs with fast cores to do all the dynamic changes and motion smoothing, yet it looks better off.

I kind of sigh at the amount of money I had to spend just to get a hueg screen with minimal input lag. I don't need all this other junk!

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I got a 55" Samsung LED tv (model UN55H6203A) for the man cave over the weekend. I'm loving it so far. Games and TV look great, haven't watched any movies as I still mostly watch those on the 55" Panasonic 3D LED set we have in the main media room.

The Samsung is a huge upgrade over the old 50" 720p Sony LCD rear projection set that was in the man cave before. I'd mostly gamed on the Panasonic set the past year plus but recently moved the PS4 to the other room to be able to game when my fiance is catching up on shows on the DVR (we can't get whole house DVR with our plan). Got the notice that the bulb needed replaced soon, and found a deal for the Samsung for $650 so decided to upgrade.

 

[Vizzeh]

If Sony and Panasonic are actually going to just buy OLED panels from LG, their TVs will have exactly the same benefits and drawbacks as the LG TVs.

Unfortunately neither Sony nor Panasonic have the kind of finances needed to research a consumer version of Sony's professional OLED panels, so they're kinda fucked. And here we are, relying on the Koreans for this technology to reach mass production.

Well yes and no, Sony would use the OLED Screens but no reason why they cannot implement their own technology behind it, Sony have had OLED under development for around 6 years, not full on mind. There are examples in the past where manufactures have bought screens from one company and improved them by using better processing tech etc - Certainly not saying this is the case but wouldn't rule it out.

 

[D23]

Got a Sony 60" KDL60W630B. Two days ago. What a lovely set. I hooked up my ps4.. And wow.. Ive been missing out. My old sharp1080p set looked like crap

 

[AllenShrz]

Got a Sony 60" KDL60W630B. Two days ago. What a lovely set. I hooked up my ps4.. And wow.. Ive been missing out. My old sharp1080p set looked like crap

Good, I have the same model after returning a defective 4K Sony tv, no regrets.

 

[D23]

Good, I have the same model after returning a defective 4K Sony tv, no regrets.

Sorry to hear about the 4k..
.anyway, Have you calibrate it yet?? Im still tinkering with it.. So many options

 

[calder]

Got a Sony 60" KDL60W630B. Two days ago. What a lovely set. I hooked up my ps4.. And wow.. Ive been missing out. My old sharp1080p set looked like crap

I'm looking at this set now to replace my old 46" Sharp Aquos, glad to hear the 630B is working out for you.

Randomly last weekend while we were watching TV my wife brought up the size of our current Sharp and asked how big I think a similarly priced TV would be now. I took that brief conversation as pre-approval to get a new TV.

 

[EazyWeazy3]

Is $950 for the Sony KDL60W630B pretty much what everyone paid for their set? I see that's what Best Buy has it at. Just curious to know if it's ever been lower.

Thinking about getting one at $950 but don't mind holding out for a better deal.

 

[badb0y]

Is $950 for the Sony KDL60W630B pretty much what everyone paid for their set? I see that's what Best Buy has it at. Just curious to know if it's ever been lower.

Thinking about getting one at $950 but don't mind holding out for a better deal.

Seems kind of expensive. I picked up my w800b 50 inch for 798.99$ like a month or so ago.

 

[hoverboarder]

Is $950 for the Sony KDL60W630B pretty much what everyone paid for their set? I see that's what Best Buy has it at. Just curious to know if it's ever been lower.

Thinking about getting one at $950 but don't mind holding out for a better deal.

Very cheap - great price. Has been on sale at $1199 for a few months, couldn't believe the drop to $999 last week and I guess you're saying now it's less. I'd wait for a deal on the 60W850 though, it's got a better wedge sound, 3D, and bluetooth for PlayStation Now wireless controller (W630 requires controller to be wired in with charging cord.)

 

[Antti]

Those with Sonys: don't forget about Bravia Sync. I just found out about it the other day. You can control your PS4 with the TV remote with that feature! I use it all the time with Netflix.

 

[rokkerkory]

Best led set 65" for under 2k? Pls recommend. Thanks!!

 

[Shahadan]

My mom wants to buy me a TV for christmas and I have a hard time choosing between the Sony W705b and a Samsung H6400, the latter being a bit cheaper.
I don't know why but I've more faith in Sony than Samsung regarding quality on the long term but it might just be some misconception.

I don't really care about 3D and stuff either way, I'd just like a good image quality. I've started to look into reviews and shit and it's a nightmare. I had no idea buying a TV was so complicated.
Apparently input lag is better on the Sony tv but I doubt there is a huge difference.

Are they basically the same thing or is one better than the other?
Please help ;(