Marvel's Phase 3 Announced: includes Black Panther, Captain Marvel

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Dead Man said:
That is only a problem if you assume they are unwilling to adjust that unwritten policy and do a prequel or something. I don't think it would be very confusing really. Also, it is a problem of their own making. They had plenty of plot room for a BW movie in Phase 1 or early in Phase 2. Still do, all they need to do is have something from her past chasing her down that she needs to go deal with. Doesn't have to be a massive world wide threat, just an immediate threat to her that she has to deal with.
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I don't think they would be willing to throw in a single movie that doesn't follow the timeline. They're too deeply invested and changing plans this late is riskier than it needs to be. With her entire history being released at the end of TWS, I don't see why she would take on anything on her own. And if there was a larger threat keeping others from helping her, she'd be more likely to help with that than go off on her own, especially as there's no longer a central SHIELD to give her orders otherwise.

I mean, at the end of the day, they could do anything. I just don't think there's a lot of options that would be worthwhile additions to the MCU.
 
I really feel like they'll use Dr Strange to bring in Spidey. I know it's supposedly not possible right now, but I get the feeling that this is their aim if they can bring Spidey in the MCU. Nobody would understand how Spider Man could be important when you have the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, etc. But with a cosmic-interdimensional-twist, it would manage to explain why his arrival in the MCU is vital to the MCU universe. I have no idea why he would be important or needed, but I'm sure that can be figured or has been covered in the comics in some way, and there's no way they would bring him in the MCU without making him vital to the story, he has to have some sort of cosmic/fate-of-the-universe role. If they do that, Marvel/Disney can really manage to make this crazy super hero universe work in the mainstream movie-goer's mindset once it starts to go inter-galatic/cosmic. Spider Man is the Luke Skywalker of Marvel, he's the best super hero Marvel has to establish a connection with the audience, something they still don't have in the MCU (Iron Man is close but not really, he's not for the kids and moms).

Once the MCU goes cosmic, they need this character to keep people in their seats.
 
Jest Chillin said:
I don't think they would be willing to throw in a single movie that doesn't follow the timeline. They're too deeply invested and changing plans this late is riskier than it needs to be. With her entire history being released at the end of TWS, I don't see why she would take on anything on her own. And if there was a larger threat keeping others from helping her, she'd be more likely to help with that than go off on her own, especially as there's no longer a central SHIELD to give her orders otherwise.

I mean, at the end of the day, they could do anything. I just don't think there's a lot of options that would be worthwhile additions to the MCU.
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Given all the decisions they have made and their reasoining, I will agree it is NOW too late for the current plans. But they still wasted the chance when they had it, and their current plans seem to have been tweaked several times in the last couple years. The only thing stopping them is themselves.
 
The Shogun said:
Yeah from everything thats been said by Marvel Whedon, the Bros, and Gunn all seem to be their "A" team. I wouldn't be surprised at all if all of them are in some way connected to Infinity War. Whether its writing, directing, story consulting, design, etc. Their films seem to be the ones that have the most impact on the MCU and Marvel has openly said they are blown away with each of them.
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Which is why it's even more interesting who they're going to get to do the apparently monumental Thor: Ragnarok. If it's an important as they say, I want them to prove it. No more C-list directors. Make it matter.
 
Zeyphersan said:
Which is why it's even more interesting who they're going to get to do the apparently monumental Thor: Ragnarok. If it's an important as they say, I want them to prove it. No more C-list directors. Make it matter.
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Agreed. Since they hype it up as TWS-tier, I hope Feige fished out a quality director.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I really feel like they'll use Dr Strange to bring in Spidey. I know it's supposedly not possible right now, but I get the feeling that this is their aim if they can bring Spidey in the MCU. Nobody would understand how Spider Man could be important when you have the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, etc. But with a cosmic-interdimensional-twist, it would manage to explain why his arrival in the MCU is vital to the MCU universe. I have no idea why he would be important or needed, but I'm sure that can be figured or has been covered in the comics in some way, and there's no way they would bring him in the MCU without making him vital to the story, he has to have some sort of cosmic/fate-of-the-universe role. If they do that, Marvel/Disney can really manage to make this crazy super hero universe work in the mainstream movie-goer's mindset once it starts to go inter-galatic/cosmic. Spider Man is the Luke of Star Wars, he's the best hero to establish a connection with the audience.
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Why even bring him in? (and im saying this as a HUGE spidey fan) it just doesnt seem like they need him at all
 
Zeyphersan said:
Which is why it's even more interesting who they're going to get to do the apparently monumental Thor: Ragnarok. If it's an important as they say, I want them to prove it. No more C-list directors. Make it matter.
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Could not agree more. If Ragnarok is really a true game changer like they are hyping it to be the director choice for it will be incredibly interesting.

It being a fantasy type film with Thor what if they got someone major like Peter Jackson?


I don't expect it to be Peter Jackson btw I just mean someone of that caliber.
 
The Shogun said:
Could not agree more. If Ragnarok is really a true game changer like they are hyping it to be the director choice for it will be incredibly interesting.

It being a fantasy type film with Thor what if they got someone major like Peter Jackson?


I don't expect it to be Peter Jackson btw I just mean someone of that caliber.
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I don't see PJ (or someone of that calibur/resume) working with Marvel.
 
TheBlueBomber said:
Why even bring him in? (and im saying this as a HUGE spidey fan) it just doesnt seem like they need him at all
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I edited my post.

When the MCU goes cosmic, it will be too crazy for a wide audience, too many heroes, too much complexity in the story. But if you have Spider Man, you got a character for everyone (with the right actor...), a simple one, and the only super hero who is for all ages. He's for the kids, he's for the teens, for the moms, etc. People will see all these heroes they never heard of in a weird cosmic story-line, they'll be lost, but if Spider Man is there they'll feel reassured and they'll go watch the movie with the family. If he's not, it gets too serious, too much for grown ups and boys, and you lose a big market share.

As for bringing him through Dr Strange, I think it's a great way to market Strange, to open him up to a bigger market. And they can't just dump Spider Man in the MCU as if he had already been there, it would just confuse people. But outright saying there are parallel universes, AND introducing that concept through Spider Man going into the MCU, it works perfectly.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I edited my post.

When the MCU goes cosmic, it will be too crazy for a wide audience, too many heroes, too much complexity in the story. But if you have Spider Man, you got a character for everyone (with the right actor...), a simple one, and the only super hero who is for all ages. He's for the kids, he's for the teens, for the moms, etc. People will see all these heroes they never heard of in a weird cosmic story-line, they'll be lost, but if Spider Man is there they'll feel reassured and they'll go watch the movie with the family. If he's not, it gets too serious, too much for grown ups and boys, and you lose a big market share.

As for bringing him through Dr Strange, I think it's a great way to market Strange, to open him up to a bigger market. And they can't just dump Spider Man in the MCU as if he had already been there.
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You could say that for any of the characters in the cosmic side now though, all of the avengers are going to be there, plus the guardians, spider man just seems like they'd be tacking on a character they don't need right now, if Sony ever loses the rights, and they give it a grace period, then i can see them using him, but his name is severely tarnished right now, and i don't think marvel wants that connected to what they're establishing/established right now
 
The Shogun said:
Could not agree more. If Ragnarok is really a true game changer like they are hyping it to be the director choice for it will be incredibly interesting.

It being a fantasy type film with Thor what if they got someone major like Peter Jackson?


I don't expect it to be Peter Jackson btw I just mean someone of that caliber.
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Not Peter Jackson, but someone of that caliber I can definitely see with how Marvel Studios is now or someone who's really passionate and out of left field like James Gunn that can get the character.
 
The Shogun said:
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they snag someone like that. Marvel films are now top tier films at the box office and Phase 3 from all signs will be the biggest yet.
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Premium talent comes at premium prices. Marvel might not be willing to shell out for someone on that level. Not to mention that a director like Jackson is probably going to want more control than Marvel is willing to give. On Marvel's end, I don't see the benefit. As everyone is fond of saying, their movies make money regardless of directors. Why go through the trouble of getting a top tier director when they can score a C-Lister for a lot less hassle and get the same end result (mo money, mo money, mo money)?
 
I don't think Marvel is going to go for any big name directors who have already established themselves on huge blockbuster films. It doesn't fit with their MO. It makes more sense to look for like-minded people who are talented but also untested enough to a degree where Marvel can be their "big" thing. That's more valuable for all parties involved.
 
ReiGun said:
Premium talent comes at premium prices. Marvel might not be willing to shell out for someone on that level. Not to mention that a director like Jackson is probably going to want more control than Marvel is willing to give. On Marvel's end, I don't see the benefit. As everyone is fond of saying, their movies make money regardless of directors. Why go through the trouble of getting a top tier director when they can score a C-Lister for a lot less hassle and get the same end result (mo money, mo money, mo money)?
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Yeah I can agree the price very likely may not be worth the investment for a major director like that but it would be interesting for them to get a more well known director just to see their take on the Marvel Universe.

Regardless of who the choice is though Ragnarok's director is hugely interesting as is the plot. Any theories people have on what it might be? Remember when Dark World ended Loki is on the the throne and NO ONE knows it. Personally I see Ragnarok possibly referring to the destruction of Asgard by none other than Thanos considering if its a true game changer he may very well make an appearance in the film.
 
The Shogun said:
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they snag someone like that. Marvel films are now top tier films at the box office and Phase 3 from all signs will be the biggest yet.
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They are top tier, but those level of directors also want a lot more input and control over their projects than they might get at Marvel where at the end of the day they are working within a preconceived story structure and timeline. Guys like Jackson, Nolan, ect...can right their own ticket.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think Marvel is going to go for any big name directors who have already established themselves on huge blockbuster films. It doesn't fit with their MO. It makes more sense to look for like-minded people who are talented but also untested enough to a degree where Marvel can be their "big" thing. That's more valuable for all parties involved.
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I could see Marvel mining more Mutant Enemy talent easily. Goddard if Sinister Six falls through and possibly DeKnight depending on where Daredevil is at that point.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think Marvel is going to go for any big name directors who have already established themselves on huge blockbuster films. It doesn't fit with their MO. It makes more sense to look for like-minded people who are talented but also untested enough to a degree where Marvel can be their "big" thing. That's more valuable for all parties involved.
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Pretty much.

Stark said:
Depends. Are Russo bros, Whedon, Gunn C-Listers?
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More or less. Their Marvel work is easily the biggest thing they've done. They were popular in certain circles beforehand (Whedon especially), but Marvel was where they blew up in the mainstream.
 
Stark said:
Depends. Are Russo bros, Whedon, Gunn C-Listers?
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They definitely are- or were, before their marvel films blew up.

Whedon had directed what, Serenity and some TV shows? And no one could have picked Russo bros or Gunn out of a lineup if you paid them.

The draw for these films is the property anyway (or the star, in downey's case). There's no reason to shell out huge money to Jackson, Cameron, etc. It adds nothing.
 
ReiGun said:
Pretty much.


More or less. Their Marvel work is easily the biggest thing they've done. They were popular in certain circles beforehand (Whedon especially), but Marvel was where they blew up in the mainstream.
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I can't really say they're big name directors until their stint is done with Marvel. Let's see what they do afterwards.

Manmademan said:
Gunn out of a lineup if you paid them.
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I could have done it.
 
Zeyphersan said:
No one else will do? I find that hard to believe
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The reason to have Spider-Man integrated into the MCU stems from a desire to see a familiar face. I have a hunch that many people are more interested in seeing Peter Parker interact with The Avengers moreso than just Spider-Man fighting alongside them. It's just more of a special occurence if it was Andrew Garfield, our current Spider-Man/Peter Parker sharing the screen with Cap and crew. That or appeal to the slightly older fans and go with Tobey, but that's even less likely. Anything else wouldn't particularly excite me, but of course that doesn't preclude me from accepting a new actor if its good. It just wouldn't be the same.
 
TheKaeptain said:
What have any of them done outside of Marvel? They're not a-listers. There are only a select few directors that can be really considered A-listers.
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Maybe not A listers but their stock right now is pretty damn big. They've directed films that do 700 million to 1 billion at the box office. I expect Guardians 2 and Cap 3 to do over a billion so at that point they will have all directed movies that clear a billion.

At this point I'm sure there's plenty of studios that would kill to get them on board. Yes its the Marvel property but these director's are getting experience directing massive budget blockbuster films. When their time is up with Marvel they'll be welcomed with open arms just about anywhere.

Also all their films so far have received praise from both critics as well as audiences.
 
Thanks, guys. Then yeah, I agree that is the way to go/continue as it is better to pull on someone who's passionate or on the same page.

I want my favorite super hero to have a awesome movie. :(
 
The Shogun said:
Maybe not A listers but their stock right now is pretty damn big. They've directed films that do 700 million to 1 billion at the box office. I expect Guardians 2 and Cap 3 to do over a billion so at that point they will have all directed movies that clear a billion.

At this point I'm sure there's plenty of studios that would kill to get them on board. Yes its the Marvel property but these director's are getting experience directing massive budget blockbuster films. When their time is up with Marvel they'll be welcomed with open arms just about anywhere.
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Depends on what the perception is of the MCU films in Hollywood. The directors deserve credit but I get the feeling some might see it as a money train no matter who the conductor is. I mean, off the top of your head do you know who directed the Hunger Games movies?
 
The Shogun said:
Maybe not A listers but their stock right now is pretty damn big. They've directed films that do 700 million to 1 billion at the box office. I expect Guardians 2 and Cap 3 to do over a billion so at that point they will have all directed movies that clear a billion.

At this point I'm sure there's plenty of studios that would kill to get them on board. Yes its the Marvel property but these director's are getting experience directing massive budget blockbuster films. When their time is up with Marvel they'll be welcomed with open arms just about anywhere.
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Honestly though, without some big movies outside of Marvel, they'd probably be considered Genre A-list (if that makes any sense).

Edit: To clarify.. something akin to Rockne S. O'bannon or McCreary (music wise) for Sci Fi stuff.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Depends on what the perception is of the MCU films in Hollywood. The directors deserve credit but I get the feeling some might see it as a money train no matter who the conductor is. I mean, off the top of your head do you know who directed the Hunger Games movies?
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Nope sure don't.

That being said I'm not sure if the money train Marvel thing is real. For example unless Ant Man actually turns out high quality I don't see it doing well at the box office. I know its risky as hell to say something like that after Guardians massive success but I worry a lot about the quality of that film. I'm sure opening weekend will be great but if its a poor film I doubt it will have any legs.
 
If no true Spider-man. They should screw with people by having Tobey in quick a scene ala Stan Lee, in normal get up, randomly helping some people out of harms way during the chaos, with someone yelling "Pete, get out of there!"

The tease would be too much!
 
The Shogun said:
Nope sure don't.

That being said I'm not sure if the money train Marvel thing is real. For example unless Ant Man actually turns out high quality I don't see it doing well at the box office. I know its risky as hell to say something like that after Guardians massive success but I worry a lot about the quality of that film. I'm sure opening weekend will be great but if its a poor film I doubt it will have any legs.
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5 films in a row making over $600M at the box office is not enough to convince you? Ant Man will be coming off of Avengers 2. It will make $400M worldwide even if it is shit.
 
The Shogun said:
Maybe not A listers but their stock right now is pretty damn big. They've directed films that do 700 million to 1 billion at the box office. I expect Guardians 2 and Cap 3 to do over a billion so at that point they will have all directed movies that clear a billion.

At this point I'm sure there's plenty of studios that would kill to get them on board. Yes its the Marvel property but these director's are getting experience directing massive budget blockbuster films. When their time is up with Marvel they'll be welcomed with open arms just about anywhere.
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Good chance they don't. Carte blanche in Hollywood is reserved for a very select few. The problem is everyone knows Kevin Fiege controls a lot of what goes on in these movies. This isn't a Nolan doing his Batman series type of deal where the producers stayed out of it.

Whedon will be the one that gets the offers out of the three.

HomerSimpson-Man said:
If no true Spider-man. They should screw with people by having Tobey in quick a scene ala Stan Lee, in normal get up, randomly helping some people out of harms way during the chaos, with someone yelling "Pete, get out of there!"

The tease would be too much!
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I think you, and the other Tobey fans, need to watch Frozen.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
If no true Spider-man. They should screw with people by having Tobey in quick a scene ala Stan Lee, in normal get up, randomly helping some people out of harms way during the chaos, with someone yelling "Pete, get out of there!"

The tease would be too much!
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multiverse Spidey. get both actors lol
 
The Shogun said:
Nope sure don't.

That being said I'm not sure if the money train Marvel thing is real. For example unless Ant Man actually turns out high quality I don't see it doing well at the box office. I know its risky as hell to say something like that after Guardians massive success but I worry a lot about the quality of that film. I'm sure opening weekend will be great but if its a poor film I doubt it will have any legs.
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I'm not saying they can put out crap movies and they will still make bank, I'm just saying that people might question how much credit the directors alone deserve for the success of these movies. A lot of stuff seems to already be in place when they step in.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
If no true Spider-man. They should screw with people by having Tobey in quick a scene ala Stan Lee, in normal get up, randomly helping some people out of harms way during the chaos, with someone yelling "Pete, get out of there!"

The tease would be too much!
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Change this to Donald Glover and call him Miles and I'm down.
 
TheKaeptain said:
Good chance they don't. Carte blanche in Hollywood is reserved for a very select few. The problem is everyone knows Kevin Fiege controls a lot of what goes on in these movies. This isn't a Nolan doing his Batman series type of deal where the producers stayed out of it.

Whedon will be the one that gets the offers out of the three.
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I think your discounting how much weight their names are now carrying to even the general public. People now know the name James Gunn. After his next film clears a billion that name will be even larger.

You make a film that fits his style and you plaster his name on the previews and its going to get major attention.
 
I just realized outside of Jon Fav, Shane Black, and Gunn everyone else that has directed were in TV before doing Marvel movies. That actually makes a lot of sense on Marvel's part. They want directors that are used to a producer controlled media. TV is exactly that.
 
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