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[slavesnyder]

the good thing is, whatever they do, they can justify it. the position of a clear market leader is a comfortable one.
if they do nothing and win the holiday season - well, microsoft will be completely clueless what else to do.
if they do nothing and lose the holiday season - the kept the price and stayed profitable. if the gap is narrowing a little because of that, they can easyly live with that as they have the rest of the world in the bag. after all, they have the better lineup for the months after and still can lower the price if necessary.
if they make a worthy counter (GTA bundle, price drop, whatever) - they will not lose anyway. or?

 

[chithanh]

There's now 3 bundles outselling PS4 on Amazon. Halo MCC is outselling every version of Advanced Warfare.

Check the yearly chart. Do you see any version of AW on it? Do you see Halo MCC on it? So where's the evidence that AW is going to destroy MCC?

Um, you brought up that Halo:MCC outsells CoD:AW by using Amazon hourly charts. But hourly chars are not a reliable indicator for anything, which I pointed out.

 

[Mrbob]

This is the key. Sony will react through a desirable Black Friday deal if the Xbox One sales are high enough. BF sales alone can swing November.

Pretty much. The number of consoles sold Black Friday week can get insane.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Um, you brought up that Halo:MCC outsells CoD:AW by using Amazon hourly charts. But hourly chars are not a reliable indicator for anything, which I pointed out.

Jaxx doesn't care about logic.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Why is there so much distaste for the idea of MS doing well? Would it be bad for the X1 to win? Not just a month or two, but overall?

Which do you think is the better system? How you answer that question will determine your answer. That will be a very evidently opinion-based answer. I think it's the PS4. I have no interest in seeing the X1 "win."

 

[Shig]

Sony usually does a special Black Friday-only bundle, rather than MS's strategy of bundling every console with various things through the whole holiday season.

I think we'll see something like a $400 Killzone/Infamous bundle pop up for those sales. Sony can win on the push from those one or two days if they can outstock MS.

 

[EmptySpace]

all i ever smell is desperation. i'm not the one getting outsold worldwide for 9 straight months.

 

[Jaxx]

Um, you brought up that Halo:MCC outsells CoD:AW by using Amazon hourly charts. But hourly chars are not a reliable indicator for anything, which I pointed out.

No, that's your assumption that I was using just the daily charts. For the bundles yes, for the game, no. Halo MCC is far outpacing every version of AW on the yearly chart.

 

[TomShoe]

Um, you brought up that Halo:MCC outsells CoD:AW by using Amazon hourly charts. But hourly chars are not a reliable indicator for anything, which I pointed out.

No, that's your assumption that I was using just the daily charts. For the bundles yes, for the game, no. Halo MCC is far outpacing every version of AW on the yearly chart.

The fact that Advanced Warfare is multiplatform and Microsoft is bundling it with Xbox Ones makes this even worse.

 

[Ndless]

Hehe. I'm saving quite a few of these comments for the December NPD thread. It's gonna be glorious.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

No, that's your assumption that I was using just the daily charts. For the bundles yes, for the game, no. Halo MCC is far outpacing every version of AW on the yearly chart.

You truly believe a compilation is going to beat a brand new COD game?

 

[lonedigitalwolf]

I think PS4 have too much momentum, so I think PS4 will still outsell X1, even if not as much as before.

I'm thinking the same thing.

 

[vpance]

Of course, Microsoft will win November and December and then it will come 9-10 month of slow pre-season.

MS will go batshit insane and do a permanent $299 free game bundle starting Jan.

 

[lonedigitalwolf]

all i ever smell is desperation. i'm not the one getting outsold worldwide for 9 straight months.

,
That is correct.

 

[Jaxx]

You truly believe a compilation is going to beat a brand new COD game?

I'm saying the evidence right now refutes his statement. If AW was so much more popular on Xbox One than MCC, it would be higher than MCC on the yearly chart. Overall CoD sales across all platforms? No. But he said on Xbox One alone. And yeah, I think there's a good chance Halo could outsell it on XB1.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Everyone needs to remember Microsoft's deals are not from a place of strength. It's desperate moves to let them say "we are the biggest console of the holiday season" and ignore and draw a line under the rest of the year. They have been bundling and price cutting all year and I maintain, they went all in too soon and now it's a case of waiting, for most, to see how low they'll go.

Sony are able to bundle a game and charge the cost of the console and game separately because they're in a comfortable place.

 

[borghe]

There's now 3 bundles outselling PS4 on Amazon. Halo MCC is outselling every version of Advanced Warfare. Surely just a coincidence , right? Not like these bundle deals haven't happened around two huge games already this year and did next to nothing for Xbox One sales. But yeah, couldn't be Halo though because no other collection has moved consoles in the past, right? lol



Tales From My Ass and Wishful Thinking all in one little quote.

Wow this quotes so perfectly. You know that the Amazon charts aren't ordered by absolute aggregate sales, right? And that they are just one retailer.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I'm saying the evidence right now refutes his statement. If AW was so much more popular on Xbox One than MCC, it would be higher than MCC on the yearly chart. Overall CoD sales across all platforms? No. But he said on Xbox One alone. And yeah, I think there's a good chance Halo could outsell it on XB1.

I'm saying your evidence is flawed at best and completely irrelevant at worst.

 

[borghe]

I'm saying your evidence is flawed at best and completely irrelevant at worst.

The first rule of Amazon charts: they are always the best source of data when they work in your favor.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

The first rule of Amazon charts: they are always the best source of data when they work in your favor.

I understand using the long term charts but when we're on the first day of a big promotion? I mean that's just ridiculous.

 

[GnawtyDog]

i'm not the one getting outsold worldwide for 9 straight months.

That trend is going to continue - at least wordlwide when all territories are counted for Nov/Dec. MS will be happy with the U.S for Nov and Dec, no matter by little or much. PR and mind-share is what MS wants - since that carries momentum, not a temp price cut. The install base (for these 2 months) is being heavily subsidized (not what MS wants - burning through cash).

 

[Wynnebeck]

Wow this quotes so perfectly. You know that the Amazon charts aren't ordered by absolute aggregate sales, right? And that they are just one retailer.

Lol Jaxx has been listening to Komm, susser tod with that logic. "Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling doooown...."

 

[The Shogun]

Regardless its far too early to declare who wins November NPD. The month just started and neither of Sony nor MS have revealed their Black Friday bundles.

Its still anyones game.

 

[serversurfer]

This is Michael Pachter levels of ignorant.

An ironic reference, given that Pacther seems perpetually convinced XBone is gonna turn it around any minute now.

 

[Glorified G]

This is Michael Pachter levels of ignorant.

Pachter wouldn't be ignorant enough to use Amazon's hourly best seller list to extrapolate anything

 

[Gunslinger]

After the price drop on bundles and no counter deals from Sony I predict Xbox one will outsell the ps4 3 to 1 this holiday. Even the Wii u will outsell the ps4 IMO. Sony is getting too comfortable let's hope it doesn't come back to bite them. Heck I myself getting a Xbox one now due to the discount.

 

[Toki767]

Gamestop and Amazon both doing a free year of PS+ when you buy a PS4 and COD. Sounding like a Sony promotion?

 

[Y2Kev]

After the price drop on bundles and no counter deals from Sony I predict Xbox one will outsell the ps4 3 to 1 this holiday. Even the Wii u will outsell the ps4 IMO. Sony is getting too comfortable let's hope it doesn't come back to bite them. Heck I myself getting a Xbox one now due to the discount.

I hate poe's law

 

[TomShoe]

Gamestop and Amazon both doing a free year of PS+ when you buy a PS4 and COD. Sounding like a Sony promotion?

Really? Which country?

 

[Toki767]

Really? Which country?

US. Started today.

 

[mrklaw]

The first rule of Amazon charts: they are always the best source of data when they work in your favor.

I thought they had reflected NPD pretty well for most of the year?

 

[Y2Kev]

It's always amusing to me how junior members who supposedly just registered know old gaf memes and stories.

 

[plasmawave]

all i ever smell is desperation. i'm not the one getting outsold worldwide for 9 straight months.

Who's outselling you?

 

[GeoramA]

Gamestop and Amazon both doing a free year of PS+ when you buy a PS4 and COD. Sounding like a Sony promotion?

It's a start. Free PS+ and XBL is what needs to be bundled a lot more.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I think offering TLOU Remasteted would be a sufficient added value.

 

[Birgitte2004]

After the price drop on bundles and no counter deals from Sony I predict Xbox one will outsell the ps4 3 to 1 this holiday. Even the Wii u will outsell the ps4 IMO. Sony is getting too comfortable let's hope it doesn't come back to bite them. Heck I myself getting a Xbox one now due to the discount.

Is this sarcasm?

It's pretty sad when it gets to the point I can't tell.

 

[BeforeU]

It's a start. Free PS+ and XBL is what needs to be bundled a lot more.

they lose more money with that compare to bundling the game. (I am talking about digital version of the game). So not surprise by lack of free subscription. And then there is also that mentality that anyone buying PS4 or Xbox One are sooner or later destined to pick up the subscription.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Black friday is where most consoles are sold, they may just wait and deliver the killing blow. They will WIN NPD but BARLEY.

Lol

 

[shandy706]

Which do you think is the better system? How you answer that question will determine your answer. That will be a very evidently opinion-based answer. I think it's the PS4. I have no interest in seeing the X1 "win."

Why do you care who "wins"?

IMO. The PS4 has the better hardware. The X1 currently has better exclusive games.

I couldn't care less which one wins. I expect both to sell a ton, and will applaud both.

 

[jailbird20022]

It's always amusing to me how junior members who supposedly just registered know old gaf memes and stories.

The lurk is real.

Holiday season is going to be an interesting one, personally hoping the Wii U gets some love with smash bros. All hell would break lose if it outsells both the PS4 and X1.

 

[system11]

I just mentioned this in the other thread but I wonder if Sony will really let the gaming division give away anything this holiday. Ps4 is already selling incredibly well, they may be stubborn enough to think the XB1 deal doesn't matter.

Right now as a parent I look at 349 plus a game as an awesome deal. I miss the days of consoles coming with a game!

Is 1 game over the 4-5 year life of a system a good thing to base a buying decision on?

I actually do think MS could take Black Friday.

 

[Gunslinger]

Gamestop and Amazon both doing a free year of PS+ when you buy a PS4 and COD. Sounding like a Sony promotion?

This is a good promotion. But I feel like getting a system and a game for 50 dollars cheaper is a more enticing deal. Not hating on Sony I have the ps4 launch console and own about 10 games for it. But if I were Sony I would put my bundles for 349.99 this holidays too to match my competition. At least toward December after observing how the consumers react to a big sale from my competitor. If they are still winning by end of November then I guess its business as usual. If not then they gotta go on sale too IMO.

 

[Radec]

The alt is real.

fixed.

 

[alr1ght]

It's always amusing to me how junior members who supposedly just registered know old gaf memes and stories.

Ooo ooo
name names

 

[funkystudent]

I dont think Sony will have its eye on beating Microsoft with the way MS is racing to the bottom with the price.

I bet we see some decent $399 Black Friday bundles and thats about it. MS might sell a few thousand more in the NPD but whatever. 2:1 worldwide lead and all that.


If Sony somehow still wins November that would be something. Its not like MS hasnt had pefect chances before. Titanfall, Undercutting Sony with Console + free Destiny bundles, EA sports bundles etc.


Will be a fun few months to watch.

 

[lonedigitalwolf]

And what happens if MS wins Nov/Dec, will that make up for the fact that they were being dominated the rest of the year?, or do they just want to put out positive PR w/o the need to spin for once (or twice if they win Nov/Dec)?.

 

[hesido]

It's always amusing to me how junior members who supposedly just registered know old gaf memes and stories.

But they could be following the forums without registering? (Not that I claim they are truly new) Or am I missing something?

 

[badb0y]

I found Sony's plan for the holiday season.

 

[bishoptl]

It's always amusing to me how junior members who supposedly just registered know old gaf memes and stories.

you know? People wonder why I keep the lawnmower running.

 

[BeforeU]

you know? People wonder why I keep the lawnmower running.

Oh boy.